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Wheeee
Mar 11, 2001

When a tree grows, it is soft and pliable. But when it's dry and hard, it dies.

Hardness and strength are death's companions. Flexibility and softness are the embodiment of life.

That which has become hard shall not triumph.

Stare-Out posted:

Even aside form all that, you should play Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance. Though Kojima only had a slight involvement in it, it's an incredibly fun game.

the first boss in the tutorial mission

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3bHENs9-2A#t=183s

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Johnny Truant
Jul 22, 2008





Stare-Out posted:

I don't mind them in the game as-is but I wish they'd ditched them aside from a few encounters in favor of focusing on the traversal being the main "antagonist" because they had it figured out so drat well already.

:agreed:

It was pretty much every other order was BT territory. In the beginning of the game they were spoopy as poo poo; towards the end I basically was just crouching through the most efficient route and severing any umbilicals that I incidentally found.

I'm def still processing everything but I think I liked Heartman the best out of all the characters. Really intriguing backstory, like really the only one I found believable and actually human, and funny but not dumb-funny interactions.

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

Dead Space: :sever:-ed :smith:


[Spoken in a quiet whisper so as to not upset the fanboys] You should also play Metal Gear Survive because that game is extremely good for what it is even though it got sandbagged hard due to the Konami/Kojima drama. It's on sale for like $8 on PC.

Zonko_T.M.
Jul 1, 2007

HAPPINESS IS TEMPORARY!
INTEREST IS CONTINOUS!


They're all classics but the gameplay is pretty different. MGSV was the only one that had an open world setting, everything else is a linear structure or episodic missions. As with any older game, expect to miss some of the QOL design decisions modern games have standardized to be missing.

That said they all have Kojima's incredible attention to detail and bizarre ideas. MGS3 is one of my GOAT and it includes enemy soldiers who: are a ghost, an old man who used photosynthesis to survive, a guy full of bees? It gets wacky as hell but there's also a poignant story in the middle of all the insanity.

Johnny Truant
Jul 22, 2008





I should give MGS3 a replay at some point, it wasn't my favourite when it came out but I think I'd appreciate it more now.

WaltherFeng
May 15, 2013

50 thousand people used to live here. Now, it's the Mushroom Kingdom.

CJacobs posted:

[Spoken in a quiet whisper so as to not upset the fanboys] You should also play Metal Gear Survive because that game is extremely good for what it is even though it got sandbagged hard due to the Konami/Kojima drama. It's on sale for like $8 on PC.

Obligatory warning, Survive can only be played online even in single player and will just boot you out of your own campaign if you have connection issues.

Survive is not good.

punishedkissinger
Sep 20, 2017



Thanks for the breakdown of the MGS must plays, that's very helpful. I'm kinda sad I can'y just play on my PC with a controller :ohdear:

Back to Death Stranding: I cannot loving believe Giant Bomb gave this game two stars. Even if you think the writing was half-baked, how often does a triple-A title come out that is this out-there? It's just so bold for Kojima to spend tens of millions of dollars making the most advanced walking sim ever conceived. If that poo poo doesn't warm your heart and soul I just don't know what you want from video games.

WaltherFeng posted:

Obligatory warning, Survive can only be played online even in single player and will just boot you out of your own campaign if you have connection issues.

Survive is not good.

Maybe if you join your strand into the network

Snowy
Oct 6, 2010

A man whose blood
Is very snow-broth;
One who never feels
The wanton stings and
Motions of the sense




Stare-Out posted:

you kind of need to know what goes on in it to appreciate MGS2.


Wait Iím supposed to be able to make sense of all that?

night slime
May 14, 2014


Stare-Out posted:

The MGS HD collection (MGS2, 3 and Peace Walker) is available on Xbox too. MGS1 is PS1 exclusive (there's a PC port but it's rubbish and a remake on the Gamecube that turned it into a ludicrous action movie) and pretty of-its-time gameplay-wise but you kind of need to know what goes on in it to appreciate MGS2. MGS4 is PS3-only though it might be on Playstation Now on the PS4/PS5 but like MGS1, you could just watch a good Let's Play of it or something to get the basic gist before moving on to Peace Walker. MGS3 and Peace Walker are must-play games no matter what, I think.

PS Now also lets you play on PC since it's just a streaming thing and has MGS4 and the HD Collection last time I used it about 9 months ago. Warning that it's bandwidth intensive and just won't let you use it if you don't have the connection.

I liked Survive. A lot of the criticisms were kinda hackneyed stuff like "it only lets you have one save" which I never saw pop up for DS. It shared the fun gameplay loop and had really good online multiplayer.

Stare-Out
Mar 11, 2010

not all who wander are lost



How can you not love that? Seriously.

Johnny Truant posted:

:agreed:

It was pretty much every other order was BT territory. In the beginning of the game they were spoopy as poo poo; towards the end I basically was just crouching through the most efficient route and severing any umbilicals that I incidentally found.

I'm def still processing everything but I think I liked Heartman the best out of all the characters. Really intriguing backstory, like really the only one I found believable and actually human, and funny but not dumb-funny interactions.

They were definitely spooky and some moments were intense but eventually it was like they were more of an inconvenience than a threat which they were constantly portrayed to be. It's like, dude, this zone is cool, just let me walk around and explore but NOPE, sneak or do a lame (albeit visually spectacular) boss fight to have a moment to freely explore the place.

Snowy posted:

Wait Iím supposed to be able to make sense of all that?

(19 years and dozens of Youtube analysis videos later) Hah. Of course you were! :smug:

night slime posted:

PS Now also lets you play on PC since it's just a streaming thing and has MGS4 and the HD Collection last time I used it about 9 months ago. Warning that it's bandwidth intensive and just won't let you use it if you don't have the connection.

Oh that's right. So that would be the best bet for our curious compatriate here. PS Now is what? 13 bucks a month? Could squeeze at least 2 and 3 in there, probably 4 too. Peace Walker if you only play for the story but why would you do that instead of sinking dozens of hours into it?

Tormented
Jan 22, 2004

"And the goat shall bear upon itself all their iniquities unto a solitary place..."


When I first heard of this game, I was like I hated Raiden from MG4 why in the world, would I want to play an entire game with him.

I saw this clip and instantly hit buy now.

The Zombie Guy
Oct 25, 2008


I just finished a mission where I had to transport some unusual cargo: A living person. I carried the artist girl to her boyfriend the Junk Dealer for a happy reunion, yaaaay. I first wondered "Why the hell am I carrying this grown rear end adult on my back, instead of her riding on my trike, or walking beside me?" Then I realized that if I didn't carry her, it would have been a lovely escort mission through enemy territory, which is never fun ever. So shlepping her rear end over the hill, much simpler.

Johnny Truant
Jul 22, 2008





Tormented posted:

Raiden from MG4

:allears:

The Zombie Guy posted:

I just finished a mission where I had to transport some unusual cargo: A living person. I carried the artist girl to her boyfriend the Junk Dealer for a happy reunion, yaaaay. I first wondered "Why the hell am I carrying this grown rear end adult on my back, instead of her riding on my trike, or walking beside me?" Then I realized that if I didn't carry her, it would have been a lovely escort mission through enemy territory, which is never fun ever. So shlepping her rear end over the hill, much simpler.

I am pretty sure I let out an audible "oh thank gently caress" when it showed her all wrapped up in a body bag for that one, lol

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007





The Zombie Guy posted:

I just finished a mission where I had to transport some unusual cargo: A living person. I carried the artist girl to her boyfriend the Junk Dealer for a happy reunion, yaaaay. I first wondered "Why the hell am I carrying this grown rear end adult on my back, instead of her riding on my trike, or walking beside me?" Then I realized that if I didn't carry her, it would have been a lovely escort mission through enemy territory, which is never fun ever. So shlepping her rear end over the hill, much simpler.

The story reason is the body bag is timefall resistant.

Console Role Player
Sep 15, 2007

Snooch to the Gooch


CJacobs posted:

[Spoken in a quiet whisper so as to not upset the fanboys] You should also play Metal Gear Survive because that game is extremely good for what it is even though it got sandbagged hard due to the Konami/Kojima drama. It's on sale for like $8 on PC.

For what it's worth, I also enjoyed Metal Gear Survive. Me and my friends had a blast with the online multiplayer. By the end it's the same diminishing returns grindfest leveling system that Destiny and its ilk offer, but it's also one of the most successful game formulas at the moment for a reason so :shrug:. That said, gently caress the haters, shooting crystal zombies in the neck point blank with a shotgun owns.

I never had much respect for YouTuber gaming personalities, but the universal vitriol for Survive was really something else. I watched a vid by that Jimquisition guy a couple years back: one of the the highlights was him stabbing a enemy through a barricade with a spear screaming "THIS IS ALL THERE IS TO THE GAME", which is about as disingenuous as playing a Mario game and saying "ALL YOU DO IN THIS GAME IS JUMP". Every other big game franchise is allowed to release incremental low-budget expansions, but if Konami does it suddenly it's a sin against gamers and a controversy that cuts to the very heart of the gaming community. I had to be reminded just now about the game's microtransactions because that's how little I interacted with them (basically they're no different from MGSV's), and I spent several months with this game killing zombies with my buds.

It's cool if you just didn't like the game, but so much about Survive's discussion was wrapped up in a perverse loyalty to Kojima, misrepresenting what the game offered, and just general "gently caress Konami". It was toxic.

tl;dr: Survive was fine.

Snowy
Oct 6, 2010

A man whose blood
Is very snow-broth;
One who never feels
The wanton stings and
Motions of the sense




Midjack posted:

The story reason is the body bag is timefall resistant.

Except the face, although maybe it closed up while it was raining, I canít remember.

Still doesnít explain why Sam doesnít just have a timefall resistant tyvek suit in case of emergencies.

punishedkissinger
Sep 20, 2017



did i gently caress up by never building or using any zip lines at all? i rebuilt all the roads and just did truck simulator instead

Crappy Jack
Nov 21, 2005

We got some serious shit to discuss.



Tormented posted:

When I first heard of this game, I was like I hated Raiden from MG4 why in the world, would I want to play an entire game with him.

I saw this clip and instantly hit buy now.

This isn't even the final boss of the tutorial. This is pretty much the tenth enemy you fight in the entire game. They throw a couple of mooks at you to show you the controls, and then within five minutes, you're doing this poo poo, and the game just KEEPS GOING HARDER after that.

Snowy
Oct 6, 2010

A man whose blood
Is very snow-broth;
One who never feels
The wanton stings and
Motions of the sense




Most of the zip lines I found didnít connect to anything when I needed them.

Also I only built a road the one time I had to for a quest. Iím not even sure where I was supposed to be placing them.

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007





Snowy posted:

Most of the zip lines I found didnít connect to anything when I needed them.

Also I only built a road the one time I had to for a quest. Iím not even sure where I was supposed to be placing them.

You donít get a choice on where roads go, the paver builds it in a preset track.

Stare-Out
Mar 11, 2010

not all who wander are lost


All I did post-game was built zip-lines, they completely break the game. If you start building them as soon as possible, you can cover insane distances. Always carry a PCC2 with you.

NoEyedSquareGuy
Mar 16, 2009

Just because Liquor's dead, doesn't mean you can just roll this bitch all over town with "The Freedoms."


punishedkissinger posted:

did i gently caress up by never building or using any zip lines at all? i rebuilt all the roads and just did truck simulator instead

Are you done with the game? There are a bunch of places after reaching Mountain Knot City which would be a major hassle to try and reach exclusively by truck or hiking.

e: Looks like you said you beat it on the last page. The idea of doing everything in the mountains without any ziplines sounds miserable.

NoEyedSquareGuy fucked around with this message at 20:50 on Sep 9, 2020

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

Dead Space: :sever:-ed :smith:


Thinking about hoofing it to the First Prepper manually every single time made me take frenzy damage just now

Stare-Out
Mar 11, 2010

not all who wander are lost


Really the thread title should be Death Stranding: The Longest Low Roar Music Video.

(I bought their first album because of this game and I love it)

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

Dead Space: :sever:-ed :smith:


DEATH STRANDING
A Hideo Kojima Spotify Playlist

Wheeee
Mar 11, 2001

When a tree grows, it is soft and pliable. But when it's dry and hard, it dies.

Hardness and strength are death's companions. Flexibility and softness are the embodiment of life.

That which has become hard shall not triumph.

death stranding tries to get you hype like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxTBb9cSAO8

metal gear rising gets you hype like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3472Q6kvg0

John DiFool
Aug 27, 2013



Itís hard to believe people are defending survive in this thread. Konami couldíve let Kojima actually finish MGSV instead.

Seriously, gently caress Konami.

Stare-Out
Mar 11, 2010

not all who wander are lost


Wheeee posted:

death stranding tries to get you hype like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxTBb9cSAO8

metal gear rising gets you hype like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3472Q6kvg0

Both extremely valid in terms of hype. Death Stranding's intro is one of my favorites of any game ever.

John DiFool posted:

Itís hard to believe people are defending survive in this thread. Konami couldíve let Kojima actually finish MGSV instead.

Seriously, gently caress Konami.

Also this times a billion.

Lobok
Jul 13, 2006

Say Watt?



punishedkissinger posted:

Just played through this game over the weekend and god drat if it isn't relevant right now

Yeah, I also shower my delivery guy with effusive praise when he miraculously manages to not totally pull an Ace Ventura on my packages.

CJacobs posted:

Thinking about hoofing it to the First Prepper manually every single time made me take frenzy damage just now

Every trip in the mountain region is cool to experience once. Zip that poo poo every other time, though.

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

Dead Space: :sever:-ed :smith:


John DiFool posted:

Itís hard to believe people are defending survive in this thread. Konami couldíve let Kojima actually finish MGSV instead.

Seriously, gently caress Konami.

Survive is so fun and cool.

Console Role Player
Sep 15, 2007

Snooch to the Gooch


John DiFool posted:

Itís hard to believe people are defending survive in this thread. Konami couldíve let Kojima actually finish MGSV instead.

Seriously, gently caress Konami.

Kojima DID finish MGSV. It had an ending and everything. He finished it so hard he made a totally different game called Death Stranding a couple years later.

Wheeee
Mar 11, 2001

When a tree grows, it is soft and pliable. But when it's dry and hard, it dies.

Hardness and strength are death's companions. Flexibility and softness are the embodiment of life.

That which has become hard shall not triumph.

Stare-Out posted:

Both extremely valid in terms of hype. Death Stranding's intro is one of my favorites of any game ever.

It really is spectacular, Death Stranding's entire lengthy intro is one of the best in the industry, the entire sequence from booting the game up to completing that first delivery to the incinerator hooked me completely.

Lobok posted:

Every trip in the mountain region is cool to experience once. Zip that poo poo every other time, though.

yea this, i generally ran without weapons but always had some PCC level 2's on me to build zip lines at the outer bounds of the network to make getting back once the new location was connected easier

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

SHINee's back






I just wanna rep Metal Gear Ac!d for a second

Metal Gear Ac!d loving owns

Stare-Out
Mar 11, 2010

not all who wander are lost


Wheeee posted:

It really is spectacular, Death Stranding's entire lengthy intro is one of the best in the industry, the entire sequence from booting the game up to completing that first delivery to the incinerator hooked me completely.

Absolutely. Perfect music, perfect editing, perfect atmosphere.

esperterra posted:

I just wanna rep Metal Gear Ac!d for a second

Metal Gear Ac!d loving owns

Metal Gear Ac!d is NOT CANON! Also I've never played them, they really good?

Console Role Player
Sep 15, 2007

Snooch to the Gooch


esperterra posted:

I just wanna rep Metal Gear Ac!d for a second

Metal Gear Ac!d loving owns

yes

Stare-Out posted:

Metal Gear Ac!d is NOT CANON! Also I've never played them, they really good?

yes. Ac!d^2 more so than the first one.

John DiFool
Aug 27, 2013



Console Role Player posted:

Kojima DID finish MGSV. It had an ending and everything. He finished it so hard he made a totally different game called Death Stranding a couple years later.

hmmm. nah

CJacobs posted:

Survive is so fun and cool.

probably not as fun and cool as a finished mgsv

Stare-Out
Mar 11, 2010

not all who wander are lost


Console Role Player posted:

yes


yes. Ac!d^2 more so than the first one.

Well rats, I'll have to check them out then.

Snowy
Oct 6, 2010

A man whose blood
Is very snow-broth;
One who never feels
The wanton stings and
Motions of the sense




Wheeee posted:

metal gear rising gets you hype like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3472Q6kvg0

I can see how this song might work for pumping up energy but goddamn itís bad.

punishedkissinger
Sep 20, 2017



if Kojima was still with Konami would DS have even been made?

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NoEyedSquareGuy
Mar 16, 2009

Just because Liquor's dead, doesn't mean you can just roll this bitch all over town with "The Freedoms."


punishedkissinger posted:

if Kojima was still with Konami would DS have even been made?

No large company would have let Kojima make this game.

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