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Invisible Clergy
Sep 25, 2015

"Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces"

Malachi 2:3


The Little Death posted:



Strange little retcon here. Why "for a full year"? So Luna's mom only hatched this plan a year ago and wasn't mean until then? Again, unclear why Mookie would do this, not sure what he was going for.
While we're on that, setting aside the fact this isn't true (I will abide none of Mookie's ridiculous retcons, especially when he brags about neither planning ahead nor having a bible of character info to consult/read old strips while plotting) given what we saw earlier, how would Dominic actually know this? Croona didn't say so, and neither did Luna. His sight doesn't work in a fashion that gives him total omniscience (yet anyway) so where is this coming from? Again this never comes up again and Luna keeps acting like she was Cinderella her whole life so like 99% of Deegan lore, it can be safely igored.

Mookie's views of love and sex remind me a lot of Ernest Cline's "porn for nerds" essay which is deeply terrible and no one should read.

Great update, The Little Death. Thanks.


SardonicTyrant posted:

Curses, I guess I have to relinquish my title as King of Dominic Deegan. Woe is me.

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Ague Proof
Jun 5, 2014

they told me
I was everything





edit: should have wrote 'web-sight.' I've let Mookie down.

Ague Proof fucked around with this message at 21:41 on Aug 27, 2020

TheHan
Oct 29, 2011

Grind, you poor fool!
Grind straight for the stars!

I don't think I ever even noticed Dominic made Luna his assistant, the power dynamic is so explicit and creepy! It's a lot like that anime trope of a pure helpless girl falling into the lap of a 20-something loser's life, except Luna's issues are a little too real and it really highlights how manipulative Dominic looks.

Invisible Clergy
Sep 25, 2015

"Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces"

Malachi 2:3


TheHan posted:

I don't think I ever even noticed Dominic made Luna his assistant, the power dynamic is so explicit and creepy! It's a lot like that anime trope of a pure helpless girl falling into the lap of a 20-something loser's life, except Luna's issues are a little too real and it really highlights how manipulative Dominic looks.

It's easy to miss because after this story arc and maybe the one after it, it isn't really alluded to again. She becomes just his girlfriend/adventuring companion and stops washing his underwear and making his tendies. This, like many other things, is more of an unplanned consequence of the comic becoming more about an itinerant band of murderhobo ttrpg protagonists (so Dominic isn't in his hut so doesn't need Luna to clean it) versus being a conscious choice.

I like how he explicitly says that if she serves him as a domestic drudge that he'll let her sleep there. There's a word for this, and it isn't "assistant."

EDIT: is there a way to edit an image into a post? I can't seem to figure it out.

Invisible Clergy fucked around with this message at 20:54 on Aug 27, 2020

Mors Rattus
Oct 25, 2007

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In large part this is because after this arc, once Dominic and his brother are done running around the area, they go and basically move into his mom’s house.

Invisible Clergy
Sep 25, 2015

"Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces"

Malachi 2:3


Mors Rattus posted:

In large part this is because after this arc, once Dominic and his brother are done running around the area, they go and basically move into his mom’s house.

Well, Mookie had to invent Miranda first before he could dump that stuff on her.

Invisible Clergy posted:

I like how he explicitly says that if she serves him as a domestic drudge that he'll let her sleep there. There's a word for this, and it isn't "assistant."
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Dogwood Fleet
Sep 14, 2013


Pyrotoad posted:

You should also stick to the sub for both FMA and FMA:B because Edward's dub VA is legally a piece of poo poo.

Also watch both, the quality might vary wildly but the different character interpretations are fun to notice. IIRC they took a minor filler character from FMA and transferred them into FMA:B because they ended up really popular.

Japanese Edward is sooo much better anyway. I'm totally in love with that VA's voice.

Mors Rattus
Oct 25, 2007

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It’s a pity, really, because the dub otherwise s pretty solid. Dude’s just a piece of poo poo and should be memory holed.

(Tamaki of Ouran was voiced by Hatsune Miku.)

Skypie
Sep 28, 2008


Mushishi is really hosed up but it's all wrapped in this incredibly chill atmosphere. It's good

Mors Rattus posted:

It’s a pity, really, because the dub otherwise s pretty solid. Dude’s just a piece of poo poo and should be memory holed.

(Tamaki of Ouran was voiced by Hatsune Miku.)

I don't think I ever watched the Japanese track for Ouran but that's pretty cool.

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Oct 25, 2007

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Skypie posted:

Mushishi is really hosed up but it's all wrapped in this incredibly chill atmosphere. It's good


I don't think I ever watched the Japanese track for Ouran but that's pretty cool.

Uh

That was a joke

Like saying Miku invented Minecraft

Pyrotoad
Oct 24, 2010




Illegal Hen

Mushishi is very good, the soundtrack especially. I should really watch the second season, the first one was mesmerising.

But also man that went to poo poo so fast after my post where I almost kinda sorted defended Luna :allears:

Skypie
Sep 28, 2008


Mors Rattus posted:

Uh

That was a joke

Like saying Miku invented Minecraft

In hindsight, I probably should've realized that given Ouran is from like the mid-2000s :v:

Now, here's my 10000 word thesis on Ouran's Haruhi vs Luna as characters:

Captain Oblivious
Oct 12, 2007

Right in the Kokoro



Mors Rattus posted:

Uh

That was a joke

Like saying Miku invented Minecraft

WHAT

Codependent Poster
Oct 20, 2003




Why is he smoking a pipe 24/7?

Has anyone asked that before?

Invisible Clergy
Sep 25, 2015

"Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces"

Malachi 2:3



The human creator of minecraft decloaked as a terf, so people including the game company itself disavowed him, so people began saying Miku created the game as a joke.

Codependent Poster posted:

Why is he smoking a pipe 24/7?

Has anyone asked that before?

Oh, I actually know the answer to this one.

First, Gandalf smoked a long pipe like this. Second, Mookie adheres very strongly to the famous Mary Sue Litmus test's tried and true path to writing terrible characters by giving them a bunch of fake flaws that never meaningfully impede them, like how in romcoms the heroine is said to be "clumsy" when she isn't in a scenario where that would do anything to her like a dancer or brain surgeon. Mookie is always very quick to mention Dominic and Luna's fake flaws.

About 3 or 4 years into this comic, I believe someone in Mookie's family experienced a smoking-related cancer scare, so he decide to have Dominic stop smoking tobacco. Shortly after, he had Dominic get his foot disintegrated by ancient Egyptian laser beams and also get a tooth knocked out. He got both of these things fixed by the alterist I've mentioned upthread and they never caused him any significant impediment again. They serve purely as props for Mookie to whip out and say "nuh uh, not a Mary Sue, he's got weaknesses."

After this point, in panels, blurbs, bios, etc, he refers to them as a "gimpy seer and his deformed girlfriend" because Mookie is a great person at all times with no abhorrent views.

Invisible Clergy fucked around with this message at 02:51 on Aug 28, 2020

Captain Oblivious
Oct 12, 2007

Right in the Kokoro



Invisible Clergy posted:

The human creator of minecraft decloaked as a terf, so people including the game company itself disavowed him, so people began saying Miku created the game as a joke.

Dang it guy I’m doing a username thing here! :argh:

Beelzebufo
Mar 5, 2015

Frog puns are toadally awesome




Codependent Poster posted:

Why is he smoking a pipe 24/7?

Has anyone asked that before?

I'm assuming because he's part of the dark enlightenment movement.

Regalingualius
Jan 6, 2012


Why was Hatsune chosen as the “aggressively enforce Death of the Author” default character?

Mors Rattus
Oct 25, 2007

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Because pipes look cool, but he will magically give it up with absolutely no problems with addiction or withdrawal later on due to magical surgery, because Mookie went vegan and got into health stuff.

Rotten Red Rod
Mar 5, 2002



The chief character in Star Power also always has what looks like a cigar in his mouth, but it's never lit and is actually a "chew stick" which is never explained so you can probably assume it's not bad like tobacco.

Invisible Clergy
Sep 25, 2015

"Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces"

Malachi 2:3


Captain Oblivious posted:

Dang it guy I’m doing a username thing here! :argh:

How silly of me. Looks like I was Captain Oblivious there.


Mors Rattus posted:

Because pipes look cool, but he will magically give it up with absolutely no problems with addiction or withdrawal later on due to magical surgery, because Mookie went vegan and got into health stuff.

Also because Mookie got sick of drawing it, like his scarf and hat.

RoboChrist 9000
Dec 14, 2006

mater dolorosa

It's also always worth noting how minor Luna's 'deformity' is. Especially in-universe.
Like, yeah, IRL tusks on a human being would probably be really offputting. But in fantasy? I mean, like, people IRL fetishize Orcs. And your average female Orc, even when drawn with a traditionally feminine build and without muscles or whatever, still tends to have more non-human aspects than just tusks - green skin if nothing else.
And like this is also a world where Orcs *exist*.

Luna's issue should be less that people see her as hideous and treat her badly accordingly, and more that people associate her minor deformity with Orcish ancestry and because Callan is racist, treat her badly because she's Orc-spawn.

Or he should have given her a more meaningful deformity. Or explored more the idea that her deformity is as minor as it seems to us and that Callan's upper classes are that petty and superficial.

Rotten Red Rod
Mar 5, 2002



This doesn't really relate to the current conversation but I had to share it because it explains so much

Invisible Clergy
Sep 25, 2015

"Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces"

Malachi 2:3


RoboChrist 9000 posted:

It's also always worth noting how minor Luna's 'deformity' is. Especially in-universe.
Like, yeah, IRL tusks on a human being would probably be really offputting. But in fantasy? I mean, like, people IRL fetishize Orcs. And your average female Orc, even when drawn with a traditionally feminine build and without muscles or whatever, still tends to have more non-human aspects than just tusks - green skin if nothing else.
And like this is also a world where Orcs *exist*.

Luna's issue should be less that people see her as hideous and treat her badly accordingly, and more that people associate her minor deformity with Orcish ancestry and because Callan is racist, treat her badly because she's Orc-spawn.

Or he should have given her a more meaningful deformity. Or explored more the idea that her deformity is as minor as it seems to us and that Callan's upper classes are that petty and superficial.

As FuegoFish said in his seminal work on the subject, Luna could just go to the loving alterist and get them replaced with caps if they bother her so much that she tries to kill herself multiple times because of them.

Early on, before Mookie started doing colored Sunday issues, it's clear he hadn't figured out yet that orcs and humans can't interbreed. Later when this is codified, it makes the hicks in Lynn's Brook bullying Luna for being an orc make even less sense, since she is clearly not an orc.

Luna refuses to get her teeth fixed though so Mookie can keep touting it as a "flaw"

Rotten Red Rod posted:

This doesn't really relate to the current conversation but I had to share it because it explains so much
Christ. It really does.

Rotten Red Rod
Mar 5, 2002



Apparently the actions of a lawful good paladin include force feeding a demon their own eyeball or beating its head in with its own leg

Invisible Clergy
Sep 25, 2015

"Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces"

Malachi 2:3


Those huge guts aren't going to rip and tear themselves.

I have a very specific panel of cool ranch Deegan in mind when I say this. I suspect you and the other veterans know which one, but I won't spoil it. It too needs to be witnessed in its unforeshadowed glory when we get there.

Zereth
Jul 8, 2003




Regalingualius posted:

Why was Hatsune chosen as the “aggressively enforce Death of the Author” default character?
Because one person made a joke attributing Minecraft to Hatsune Miku


also, Minecraft is really the only thing this works with, because a: notch went off the rails after making the game, and B: the structure of minecraft means you can't really easily put your personal views into it like you can a thing with, uh, any dialogue whatsoever

Rotten Red Rod posted:

This doesn't really relate to the current conversation but I had to share it because it explains so much


.. the doom slayer is literally powered by hell energy (and anger). He can just metabolize it correctly, rather than getting corrupted or dead like everybody else. :psyduck: And his alignment is True Angry.

EDIT: oh god, i just realized... in DD terms? This means the Doom Slayer is an infernomancer

Zereth fucked around with this message at 23:15 on Aug 27, 2020

Heliotrope
Aug 17, 2007

You're fucking subhuman


Mors Rattus posted:

Because pipes look cool, but he will magically give it up with absolutely no problems with addiction or withdrawal later on due to magical surgery, because Mookie went vegan and got into health stuff.

If I remember correctly, a relative of his died from lung cancer and he didn’t want to have Dominic keep smoking which like - fair enough I feel.

Invisible Clergy
Sep 25, 2015

"Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces"

Malachi 2:3


He also talked about how since he viewed Dominic as a role model (lol) he didn't want him modeling smoking for kids who read the comic. I really hope not a lot of kids read this comic.

catlord
Mar 22, 2009

What's on your mind, Axa?

I can... kinda see where he's coming from, but again it's a rough guide, and if we're applying that onto him, his willingness to buck command structures giving unjust orders (rather than reforming them, he reformed his CO's face) and his, uh...

Rotten Red Rod posted:

Apparently the actions of a lawful good paladin include force feeding a demon their own eyeball or beating its head in with its own leg

yeah, definitely points to a chaotic bent. At best, I'd say NG-CG. But given his somewhat monomaniacal focus on demon-slaying, I'd personally lean to CN. Just fighting evil doesn't make you good, after all.

I mentioned it before, but man, his views on "Lawful Good" and his views on paladins are weird and more based on how a bad DM would apply the rules in a bizarre, haphazard way rather than any actual thought and introspection on what they mean. Like, I understand it sucks to critically examine yourself and your belief structures, but I have a hard time imagining not doing it, ever.

Besides, Doomslayer's a berserker in the most classical sense, even down to getting a boost by getting hosed up on drugs. What do you think's in a berserk pack, Mookie? A bottle of holy water and some communion wafers?

Invisible Clergy
Sep 25, 2015

"Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces"

Malachi 2:3


catlord posted:

I mentioned it before, but man, his views on "Lawful Good" and his views on paladins are weird and more based on how a bad DM would apply the rules in a bizarre, haphazard way rather than any actual thought and introspection on what they mean. Like, I understand it sucks to critically examine yourself and your belief structures, but I have a hard time imagining not doing it, ever.

Besides, Doomslayer's a berserker in the most classical sense, even down to getting a boost by getting hosed up on drugs. What do you think's in a berserk pack, Mookie? A bottle of holy water and some communion wafers?
As has been mentioned, Mookie would be the worst GM, so this isn't that surprising. What is even the point of playing ttrpgs if not to escape to a world where your guy's personal moral and/or ethical decisions have some kind of tangible importance?

Barbarians can't even be lawful. It's against the rules.

Rotten Red Rod
Mar 5, 2002



D&D alignments are a nerd brain infection that needs to be purged

Invisible Clergy
Sep 25, 2015

"Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces"

Malachi 2:3


Oh, yeah, definitely. I was more drawing attention to the fact that even by his own chosen parameters of deeandee bullshit, his point doesn't make any sense than advocating that alignment is a good and cool thing to do if that was unclear


Zereth posted:

EDIT: oh god, i just realized... in DD terms? This means the Doom Slayer is an infernomancer
There are those that call him... Tim.

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747


catlord posted:

Besides, Doomslayer's a berserker in the most classical sense, even down to getting a boost by getting hosed up on drugs. What do you think's in a berserk pack, Mookie? A bottle of holy water and some communion wafers?

That'd be a hilarious holy berserker. A priest who uses holy water like Popeye uses spinach. Battlecry, obviously, would be "I kick rear end for the Lord!"

Heliotrope
Aug 17, 2007

You're fucking subhuman


catlord posted:

I can... kinda see where he's coming from, but again it's a rough guide, and if we're applying that onto him, his willingness to buck command structures giving unjust orders (rather than reforming them, he reformed his CO's face) and his, uh...


yeah, definitely points to a chaotic bent. At best, I'd say NG-CG. But given his somewhat monomaniacal focus on demon-slaying, I'd personally lean to CN. Just fighting evil doesn't make you good, after all.

In the original games, Doomguy was put on the outpost as a punishment for beating the poo poo out of his superior who told him to fire on civilians (which is funny given Mookie's dislike of rebels). And in the second game he fights the demons specifically to let the rest of humanity get on the ships that will let them escape Earth which has been overrun, and willingly stays behind thinking he'll die.

catlord posted:

Besides, Doomslayer's a berserker in the most classical sense, even down to getting a boost by getting hosed up on drugs. What do you think's in a berserk pack, Mookie? A bottle of holy water and some communion wafers?

Eh, honestly this is a D&D Alignment issue thing. Personally I feel like who and why you're fighting is a more important element of your character then how you're fighting.

Zereth
Jul 8, 2003




catlord posted:

Besides, Doomslayer's a berserker in the most classical sense, even down to getting a boost by getting hosed up on drugs. What do you think's in a berserk pack, Mookie? A bottle of holy water and some communion wafers?
In doom 2016, lots of hell energy and using it is invariably fatal if you're not the Doom Slayer. EDIT: as are all the special powerups, including the "200 health" one.

TheHan
Oct 29, 2011

Grind, you poor fool!
Grind straight for the stars!

Heliotrope posted:

Eh, honestly this is a D&D Alignment issue thing. Personally I feel like who and why you're fighting is a more important element of your character then how you're fighting.

I think if you’re going for the shining knight hero like Mookie does they should at least embody their virtues in their actions. After the chapter telling us how compassionate and loving Star Power is she defaults to cracking heads and trusting nobody. But she’s still the pinnacle of a Star Powered Sentinel since she’s always fighting objectively evil people. It’s like he defines heroes by the people they fight rather than the actions they take.

catlord
Mar 22, 2009

What's on your mind, Axa?

Heliotrope posted:

Eh, honestly this is a D&D Alignment issue thing. Personally I feel like who and why you're fighting is a more important element of your character then how you're fighting.

That's more my criticising class choice than an alignment issue, but yeah.

Rotten Red Rod posted:

D&D alignments are a nerd brain infection that needs to be purged

As I said, I think it works in the context of the game because it's a guide for roleplaying, but even there it has its limitations (often quite severe). Applying it outside of there, well... I expect it's a step in the development of a person's understanding the world, ethics, and morality. Most people (I would hope!) who apply the alignment grid to real life, should eventually realise that even 9 options is still limited, and grow beyond that. But... that requires introspection, and at least a bit of critical thinking. It's not a child's view on morality, but it's certainly not a fully developed world-view, if that makes sense? But yeah, ultimately, vv this

Invisible Clergy posted:

Oh, yeah, definitely. I was more drawing attention to the fact that even by his own chosen parameters of deeandee bullshit, his point doesn't make any sense than advocating that alignment is a good and cool thing to do if that was unclear

Even within the confines of D&D, it's a stretch.

Hostile V
May 30, 2013

Solving all of life's problems through enhanced casting of Occam's Razor. Reward yourself with an imaginary chalice.



I mean if you look at the alignment chart guidelines in the Player's Handbook, you'll see that Lawful Good is defined as "people I like".

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Zerilan
Jan 11, 2008

I have to believe I can do this.







Invisible Clergy posted:

As FuegoFish said in his seminal work on the subject, Luna could just go to the loving alterist and get them replaced with caps if they bother her so much that she tries to kill herself multiple times because of them.

Iirc her mom took her to an alterist as a kid to have them removed but the alterist refused to do it because child Luna didn't hate having the tusks yet. When Luna got older and did want them to remove her mom wouldn't pay for an alterist again because she was bitter about it not being done the first time.

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