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ulmont
Sep 15, 2010

IF I EVER MISS VOTING IN AN ELECTION (EVEN AMERICAN IDOL) ,OR HAVE UNPAID PARKING TICKETS, PLEASE TAKE AWAY MY FRANCHISE

fresh_cheese posted:

Its poo poo like this that makes me consider maybe jumping out of planes is cool and good if youre not doing it army style.

I thought this until I went to a fundraiser for a now-quadriplegic friend of a friend.

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Diarrhea Elemental
Apr 2, 2012

Am I correct in my assumption, you fish-faced enemy of the people?

A.o.D. posted:

Consider: The Army has managed to make shooting machine guns and cannons almost no fun at all.

Counterpoint: Being med coverage for ranges means all the fun and none of the cleanup. Also chest coolers full of energy drinks in the back of the FLA, plus burgers and dogs for the propane grill kicked out the back.

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?

A.o.D. posted:

Consider: The Army has managed to make shooting machine guns and cannons almost no fun at all.

The Air Force can't pay fighter pilots enough money to stop leaving.

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Nap Ghost
I still find it funny that half the reason AF officers say they are disaffected is that they also have to do exactly the same kind of staff work every officer in every department of the military has to do.

A.o.D.
Jan 15, 2006

mlmp08 posted:

I still find it funny that half the reason AF officers say they are disaffected is that they also have to do exactly the same kind of staff work every officer in every department of the military has to do.

Isn't junior officer retention in the other services really bad, too?

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Nap Ghost

A.o.D. posted:

Isn't junior officer retention in the other services really bad, too?

Yeah, it’s not good. But Air Force guys seem to make it a hobby to say they didn’t expect to have to do the thing officers perhaps most famously do, which is planning and execution of military systems and processes while working for a government bureaucracy.

Some of the leading Army and Navy reasons to leave are general lack of control of their future and plans (family, career, location, etc) plus relentless unpredictably. Unpredictability in the sense of surprise deployments and exercises but also having to snap react to impulsive leadership or shifting and weird garrison priorities.

Those make more sense to me than “wow, paperwork? In my military?!”

Otoh no air force guy ever demanded a 600 person formation because they found an overturned drip pan in the motor pool, so you win some you lose some.

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?

mlmp08 posted:

I still find it funny that half the reason AF officers say they are disaffected is that they also have to do exactly the same kind of staff work every officer in every department of the military has to do.

Sure, but they can get hired doing what they want instead. And that's why the AF is consistently thousands of pilots short, despite hitting the target every year for pilot accessions, and offering almost half a million dollars in retention bonuses that take you all the way to retirement.

I don't think it helped that the AF closed almost every base it had in good locations. There are only a handful left, while places like Cannon and Minot live on as nightmares.

mlmp08 posted:

Otoh no air force guy ever demanded a 600 person formation because they found an overturned drip pan in the motor pool, so you win some you lose some.

These are the ones who take the bonuses.

Godholio fucked around with this message at 16:38 on Jul 23, 2023

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB

Godholio posted:

Sure, but they can get hired doing what they want instead. And that's why the AF is consistently thousands of pilots short, despite hitting the target every year for pilot accessions, and offering almost half a million dollars in retention bonuses that take you all the way to retirement.

I don't think it helped that the AF closed almost every base it had in good locations. There are only a handful left, while places like Cannon and Minot live on as nightmares.

These are the ones who take the bonuses.

We should just hire the Goths and the Huns to defend our empire.

Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005

bone shaking.
soul baking.

A.o.D. posted:

Isn't junior officer retention in the other services really bad, too?

The navy needs roughly 1/5th of the SWO ensigns to become department heads on small boys for 3 years. They give people $100k plus a free graduate degree along with a cake rear end shore duty in between divo and department head tours as incentive. The navy cannot meet its SWO retention goals despite offering $100k and a free masters degree.

Icon Of Sin
Dec 26, 2008



Mr. Nice! posted:

The navy needs roughly 1/5th of the SWO ensigns to become department heads on small boys for 3 years. They give people $100k plus a free graduate degree along with a cake rear end shore duty in between divo and department head tours as incentive. The navy cannot meet its SWO retention goals despite offering $100k and a free masters degree.

Lmao if you’re throwing 6 figure bonuses at people and they still won’t stay.

(Insert Skinner_meme.jpg here)

EvenWorseOpinions
Jun 10, 2017
I keep getting texts from ssg armyguy telling me they're allowing more waivers now and I might be able to get in now, I text back and ask if they can guarantee me into flight school and I don't hear anything back. Must not be that bad yet

Xakura
Jan 10, 2019

A safety-conscious little mouse!

EvenWorseOpinions posted:

I keep getting texts from ssg armyguy telling me they're allowing more waivers now and I might be able to get in now, I text back and ask if they can guarantee me into flight school and I don't hear anything back. Must not be that bad yet

Aren't army one of the ones that manage to keep pilots around? Because they're all warrant officers and have to deal with less bullshit?

Mustang
Jun 18, 2006

“We don’t really know where this goes — and I’m not sure we really care.”
JBLM being located near Seattle definitely doesn't help with junior officer retention. It's extremely easy for them to see how much more money they could be making while being treated better and having control over their careers.

The Army in particular just seems likes its stuck decades upon decades in the past, and just barely limping along into the 21st century. I definitely wouldn't recommend it to most people, and I'm not sure I would have ever joined had I not been an Army brat surrounded by soldiers for most of my life.

Any change is going to need to force E8s and E9s into early retirement, maybe 1/10 of them aren't dinosaurs that can't keep up with the times. The LTCs and COLs aren't much better.

Scratch Monkey
Oct 25, 2010

👰Proč bychom se netěšili🥰když nám Pán Bůh🙌🏻zdraví dá💪?

mlmp08 posted:

Otoh no air force guy ever demanded a 600 person formation because they found an overturned drip pan in the motor pool, so you win some you lose some.

What exactly do you say to a group of 600 irritated soldiers about a messy drip pan?

Mustang
Jun 18, 2006

“We don’t really know where this goes — and I’m not sure we really care.”
Whatever the CSM/LTC wants. One of my CSMs found stuff in the scrap dumpster that didn't belong so he made a battalion scrap dumpster guard roster to be manned during the duty day. 2 soldiers doing absolutely nothing from 0900-1700. Thank them for their service.

A.o.D.
Jan 15, 2006

Scratch Monkey posted:

What exactly do you say to a group of 600 irritated soldiers about a messy drip pan?

You bitch about professionalism, motivation, and dedication to the army. You then threaten weekends and leaves until YOUR motor pool is spotless.

Gorilla Radio
May 10, 2007
On behalf of the Serbs, we're very sorry for the Hillary Clinton sniper incident. Next time, we'll aim better.

Mustang posted:

Whatever the CSM/LTC wants. One of my CSMs found stuff in the scrap dumpster that didn't belong so he made a battalion scrap dumpster guard roster to be manned during the duty day. 2 soldiers doing absolutely nothing from 0900-1700. Thank them for their service.

Doing nothing from 09-17 sounds like my entire battalion. Thanks JBLM.

Kith
Sep 17, 2009

You never learn anything
by doing it right.


ulmont posted:

I thought this until I went to a fundraiser for a now-quadriplegic friend of a friend.

You have the most mind-bogglingly baffling avatar and redtext I have ever seen. What the gently caress did you do?

ulmont
Sep 15, 2010

IF I EVER MISS VOTING IN AN ELECTION (EVEN AMERICAN IDOL) ,OR HAVE UNPAID PARKING TICKETS, PLEASE TAKE AWAY MY FRANCHISE

Kith posted:

You have the most mind-bogglingly baffling avatar and redtext I have ever seen. What the gently caress did you do?

Regarding the avatar, I believe my donor really enjoyed that thumbnail: https://www.google.com/search?q=the+easiest+way+to+cut+a+pineapple

Regarding the redtext, I have a hard time giving a poo poo about the right of non-voters to stay as registered voters indefinitely while not voting (xref http://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2018/images/06/11/16-980_f2q3.pdf).

Dick Burglar
Mar 6, 2006

ulmont posted:

Regarding the avatar, I believe my donor really enjoyed that thumbnail: https://www.google.com/search?q=the+easiest+way+to+cut+a+pineapple

Regarding the redtext, I have a hard time giving a poo poo about the right of non-voters to stay as registered voters indefinitely while not voting (xref http://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2018/images/06/11/16-980_f2q3.pdf).

The alternative is that you are empowering the state to revoke peoples' voter registration for some arbitrary reason, and consenting to giving the state any amount of power regarding disenfranchising voting rights is Really loving Stupid for a whole constellation of reasons, so yeah--I definitely didn't buy you that red text, but I think you deserved it. And you're posting in the right thread.

Vengarr
Jun 17, 2010

Smashed before noon
It’s one of those things that sounds reasonable, except the states apply it in unreasonable ways for the purposes of disenfranchisement.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS
Why don’t we apply the “use it or lose it” policy to every other right?

You were non‐practicing for too long, so you forfeit your right to the free exercise of religion.

SerthVarnee
Mar 13, 2011

It has been two zero days since last incident.
Big Super Slapstick Hunk
"You haven't shot anyone in the last 3 months, we're going to have to take your guns".

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos
"The nearest National Guard base has no record of you demanding that they stay off your property, so we're going to quarter a few recruits here for a bit."

bulletsponge13
Apr 28, 2010

Absurd Alhazred posted:

"The nearest National Guard base has no record of you demanding that they stay off your property, so we're going to quarter a few recruits here for a bit."

❤️

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS
“We have no record of your grandfather voting, so we’re going to have to check if you’re literate before you can cast a ballot.”

Oh wait.

Moon Slayer
Jun 19, 2007

Vengarr posted:

It’s one of those things that sounds reasonable, except the states apply it in unreasonable ways for the purposes of disenfranchisement.

Yeah, occasionally cleaning up the rolls would be fine if every single state and territory had same-day voter re-registration and issued free photo ID's, but ... :shrug:


I love this every time it's posted. You just know this genius has been practicing "quick draws" in the garage with a loaded and un-safed handgun because he thinks he's going to need to draw down on some al-Qaida/BLM terrorists at the gas station.

bulletsponge13
Apr 28, 2010

I love the guys who practice for perfect, sub second 2 hand draws from concealment- something that rarely happens- but never practice the same one handed, and don't practice the most common draw you see; drawing covertly.

Gorilla Radio
May 10, 2007
On behalf of the Serbs, we're very sorry for the Hillary Clinton sniper incident. Next time, we'll aim better.
Was bored at work and was thinking about the odds that PV2 Travis King, a black American, comes back as an obviously Korean man in Trump-style black face?

Edit: lol I forgot this existed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLe_UMpXMhs

Gorilla Radio fucked around with this message at 21:36 on Jul 24, 2023

bulletsponge13
Apr 28, 2010

Gorilla Radio posted:

Was bored at work and was thinking about the odds that PV2 Travis King, a black American, comes back as an obviously Korean man in Trump-style black face?

Edit: lol I forgot this existed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLe_UMpXMhs

This mental image is cracking me up, because I half picture them handing over a Korean Dennis Rodman impersonator, who knows a handful of English phrases.

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

Moon Slayer posted:

I love this every time it's posted. You just know this genius has been practicing "quick draws" in the garage with a loaded and un-safed handgun because he thinks he's going to need to draw down on some al-Qaida/BLM terrorists at the gas station.

I took my kids, and their friends, paintballing recently and the airsoft guys showed up and were basically this vibe.

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

OH, I got a call that was id'd as "Dept. Army HQ".

Anybody want to take a guess?

Moon Slayer
Jun 19, 2007

They need you for One. Final. Mission. You're the only one who can pull it off.

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

Moon Slayer posted:

They need you for One. Final. Mission. You're the only one who can pull it off.

Close. A surprise deployment based on an old MOS that I have.

I have finally, after all these years, dropped my retirement.

I ain't going nowhere now.

GD_American
Jul 21, 2004

LISTEN TO WHAT I HAVE TO SAY AS IT'S INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT!
Old Thread Avatar Not Going To Just Let PV2 DMZ Steal His Thunder

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/bowe-bergdahl-army-conviction-vacated_n_64c05eb5e4b038c60ccc0b17

apparently the judge hosed up chasing a sweet post-mil gig

Moon Slayer
Jun 19, 2007

Broke: deserting by wandering off into the wilds of Afghanistan.

Woke: deserting by dashing across the border into North Korea during a tour of Panmunjom.

Bespoke: deserting by going off the grid in California and having people be convinced you were abducted by the Soviets.

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

WHAT IF ATF DECIDES THIS IS A DD??!!?

GD_American posted:

Old Thread Avatar Not Going To Just Let PV2 DMZ Steal His Thunder

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/bowe-bergdahl-army-conviction-vacated_n_64c05eb5e4b038c60ccc0b17

apparently the judge hosed up chasing a sweet post-mil gig

quote:

The ruling from U.S. District Judge Reggie Walton in Washington says that military judge Jeffrey Nance, who presided over the court-martial, failed to disclose that he had applied to the executive branch for a job as an immigration judge, creating a potential conflict of interest.

What?

There needs to be way more than that, otherwise any Federal judge who has applied to the executive branch for a job couldn't make any rulings at all. If he rules for the plaintiff, that could be because he's trying to curry favor with the executive, not because he's impartial. If he rules for the defendant, that could be because he's trying to avoid the appearance of a conflict of interest, not because he's impartial. It takes a lot more than that for a "reasonable person to question the judge's impartiality."

Phanatic fucked around with this message at 03:25 on Jul 26, 2023

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

Phanatic posted:

What?

There needs to be way more than that, otherwise any Federal judge who has applied to the executive branch for a job couldn't make any rulings at all. If he rules for the plaintiff, that could be because he's trying to curry favor with the executive, not because he's impartial. If he rules for the defendant, that could be because he's trying to avoid the appearance of a conflict of interest, not because he's impartial. It takes a lot more than that for a "reasonable person to question the judge's impartiality."

You could continue reading:

quote:

Walton noted that former President Donald Trump had strongly criticized Bergdahl during the 2016 presidential campaign. Bergdahl’s lawyers argued that Trump’s comments placed undue command influence on Nance.

Walton rejected the specific argument surrounding undue command influence, but he said a reasonable person could question the judge’s impartiality under the circumstances.

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CainFortea
Oct 15, 2004


Phanatic posted:

What?

There needs to be way more than that, otherwise any Federal judge who has applied to the executive branch for a job couldn't make any rulings at all.

There's a difference between "Applied for executive branch job as an immigration judge" and "applied for executive branch job as an immigration judge and lied about it"

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