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Yuri feels like a character we never should have had focus chapters on. As a background element who can't stand Loid who's quite competent, he works well as a threat and only Anya knows his secrets, which is good comedy, but every single thing we learn about his internal life is just "nope, no, nuh-uh" and there really doesn't seem like a way to fix that. But then he'd be even weirder as literally the only person we didn't spend time with out of the secondary cast. Damnit.
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Yuri would be better as a Light Yagami or L style hypercompetent genius but who has a huge blindspot for his sister and her family. Yuri would be better if he absolutely adored Loid and Anya because they made his sister happy, and so the running joke was he had all this evidence that Loid was a spy but he hand-waved it away because his sister would never date a spy and this guy is too nice.
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Mar 31, 2025 17:46
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PringleCreamEgg posted:Yuri would be better as a Light Yagami or L style hypercompetent genius but who has a huge blindspot for his sister and her family. Yuri would be better if he absolutely adored Loid and Anya because they made his sister happy, and so the running joke was he had all this evidence that Loid was a spy but he hand-waved it away because his sister would never date a spy and this guy is too nice. That would be great and awesome. Added bonus that he tries to win Anya over who just ignores him and thinks he's weird
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Mar 31, 2025 18:48
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Having a character with a thinly veiled (to put it mildly) incestuous feelings for his sister has always been such a bizarre clash with an otherwise fairly tame manga. Well, “tame” in the sense that the violence isn’t super graphic and any sexual innuendo is few and far between. But the ending of this chapter does suggest some much needed character development, so that’s good I guess.
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Mar 31, 2025 21:09
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Like it's an archetype of character played up for jokes, but I've never like actually gotten from how the author writes him that Yuri actually wants to be in an unironic romantic relationship with Yor, just that he is gonna hate anyone she is in a relationship with. And cares for her in an overbearing annoying way. Like I get not liking that archetype of character but like I don't think the manga or author ever treats it as if it is actually that deep, it's just largely played up for laughs. And seemingly now as a character thing that his story is probably gonna start to address with maybe him getting friends and hanging out with others.
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Mar 31, 2025 21:22
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Yuri's joke is just "is cartoonishly overprotective of his sister." I don't think they've ever actually implied it is anything more serious than that. It's no more a serious joke than Becky having a crush on Loid or whatever. I don't really like the joke or the archetype but I'm pretty sure the author has never treated it as anything more than "Loid's brother in law fuckin' hates him for marrying his precious sister and is a fuckin' weirdo about it."
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Mar 31, 2025 21:30
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Also I think it's far funnier that Loid has all this obvious suspect poo poo about him down to his sister somehow hiding a marriage for a year, but he's so blinded by his hangups with his sister that he just puts it into the wrong mental bucket. The idea of Yuri becoming well adjusted with regards to his sister, which leads to him starting to put together things that he had put into the "I hate Loid because he's with my sister" bucket into the "uh this dude sure has a bunch of weird stuff going on". As he becomes more independent and accepts it could be a pretty good platform for drama as like he actually starts taking it seriously which puts him into actual conflict with Loid, and thus Yor.
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Mar 31, 2025 21:36
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agreed, i think my liking the end of the chapter is just a matter of rather seeing endo maybe develop him into something more rather than just drop him from the story both of which i think i'd take over what we've gotten so far because it's a pretty boring archetype e: at first read on the new post i thought you were saying loid had a sister and wondered if i had forgotten an entire arc or something
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Mar 31, 2025 21:37
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Not all emotionally close or psychologically significant relationships are predicated on sexual attraction. Yuri's concepts of happiness and stability were built around the reassuring presence of Yor and her providing him attention, and the prospect of losing her near-exclusive attention, and everything that he views as being even a possibility of happiness and a good life along with that, clearly makes him freak out. 95% of stories about siblings getting jealous about another sibling getting into a relationship are ultimately founded on loss aversion, not actual desire.
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Mar 31, 2025 22:21
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Chloe is gonna wind up on a double Date with her and Yuri, and Yor and Loid, and she is going to immediately clock how weird both Yor and Loid's life and cover stories are, after talking with them for like 10 minutes lol.
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Mar 31, 2025 22:24
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Paracelsus posted:Not all emotionally close or psychologically significant relationships are predicated on sexual attraction. Yuri's concepts of happiness and stability were built around the reassuring presence of Yor and her providing him attention, and the prospect of losing her near-exclusive attention, and everything that he views as being even a possibility of happiness and a good life along with that, clearly makes him freak out. 95% of stories about siblings getting jealous about another sibling getting into a relationship are ultimately founded on loss aversion, not actual desire. I mean, this isn't not Oedipal.
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I actually did really like the conclusion of this chapter because it's forward progress for Yuri, I just strongly dislike his character archetype.
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Mar 31, 2025 23:26
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it's like that ProZD skit of the character that is completely awful and insufferable but TRUST ME HE GETS BETTER but for now, absolutely nobody can stand the loving guy. and with a series with so many characters whose pages could be better spent on storylines for them, particularly when one of the main complaints for the series I see is the stagnation around the main three characters and the plotlines for them, spending entire chapters on characters like yuri who people already by and large loathe just makes everyone unhappy in the moment. though we did get some nice development for Yor this chapter, so it wasn't a total wash.
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i get what you're saying and he's by no means my favorite character in this series but a) on the grand scale of cartoon characters from pepe le pew to mineta to master roshi to happosai where the "joke" is that "hey, he's a sex pervert" he's pretty far down the list to "mildly annoying" imo, and is also not actually going to do anything gross. this is unfair, but compare to franky, who is a much more interesting character, with all the stalking and [admittedly unsuccessfully] manipulating women etc. i mean, hell, one of the first things we see loid do in this manga is seduce a woman under false pretenses and then discard her when she was no longer useful, and then he goes and kills a bunch of people. i don't know if there's a similar grand scale for how fascist a cartoon character is (the von stroheim -> von lohengramm -> montina max axis?), and that's where to me it's hard to find a way to fit him in while still making him allegedly sympathetic, but i also feel like the politics of the series is pretty muddled and weird, and i think this is also kind of an issue with yor as well tbh, which imo is why endo has her do very little assassinating these days. b) he is being set up to have interesting things happen to him+his character and he also causes interesting things to happen to other, more interesting characters in ways that aren't dependent on his doing pervert and/or fascist stuff (like i thought his fight with twilight/the mole in the sewers was both high stakes and also had nice character bits for both him and twilight), which is a good sign for him being able to actually appear in subsequent stories in useful ways without having to put a big asterisk for new readers (again, compare to happosai). c) w/r/t his inclusion being zero sum and taking away from other characters who have had less progression. yes, i agree, but i also don't think this is a manga that is really oriented around advancing the meta plot very quickly or directly. like i think we're gonna get maybe a loid/yor chaste kiss on the cheek in 2ish years at this rate (when was their last bit of relationship progress? the cruiseship arc where yor mostly was just "i like picking up laundry?"). i mean yeah i'd rather a chapter about the elderly couple in the building, or handler, or billy watkins (age 6), but i don't think having a week of focus on yuri is what is delaying the plot progression.
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I liked the melancholic parts of the chapter where both Briars realize that they're slowly drifting apart thanks to life and having different priorities. Yor's got Loid and Anya, not to mention her getting along better with her co-workers and being friends with Melinda. Yuri's job, which he only took because he saw it as a way to protect Yor, is now keeping him apart from her with the secrets and it consuming more and more of his life. There's also Yor placing some boundaries between her and Yuri by affirming that she's fine with him being independent now that he's all grown-up and has a job. Sure, it's healthier in the long run but it's also sad how they can never go back to the simplicity of the good* old days. * I say good, but they were orphaned children who only had each other and were barely making ends meet, to the point Yor got roped in to be part of the Garden to get some money. Justin_Brett posted:Nightfall deserves better doomrider7 posted:That would be great and awesome. Added bonus that he tries to win Anya over who just ignores him and thinks he's weird Frankie is already both a possible romantic option for Nightfall and the fun uncle who Anya ignores and thinks is weird! 
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I think we can all agree that this week should have been the triumphant return of Daybreak
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Yuri stands out because in a manga absolutely full of great characters, he stands one of the weaker ones. I didn't even think his character is bad per se but if the author just got rid of his siscon tendencies he would be fine. You could even keep his obsession with Yor but make him comically overprotective instead of this stalkerish obsession. In a lesser manga I don't think he would stand out as much and I still think he had potential. Give me a Yuri and Anya chapter where they genuinely bond and Yuri begins to see her as someone he needs to protect and we're cooking. fucking love Fiona Apple fucked around with this message at 03:07 on Apr 2, 2025 |
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yuri has one joke and it isnt funny
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At least Anya's reaction to reading his mind resulted in a genuine laugh (even though a child her age probably shouldn't be seeing the things she saw in there)
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where the red fern gropes posted:yuri has one joke and it isnt funny I would say he has two. The unfunny one and the fact he is nearly indestructible due to growing up with Yor. Unfortunately many times highlighting the second requires leading in from the first.
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The only time I thought yuri contributed any meaningfulness to the overall SpyxFamily story was when he was unconscious and Loid thought how Yor would be sad if he was dead which made me go "aw Loid. Kiss your wife. NOW" Take that as you will
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Jim Ross posted:The only time I thought yuri contributed any meaningfulness to the overall SpyxFamily story was when he was unconscious and Loid thought how Yor would be sad if he was dead which made me go "aw Loid. Kiss your wife. NOW"
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loving love Fiona Apple posted:Yuri stands out because in a manga absolutely full of great characters, he stands one of the weaker ones. I didn't even think his character is bad per se but if the author just got rid of his siscon tendencies he would be fine. You could even keep his obsession with Yor but make him comically overprotective instead of this stalkerish obsession. Honestly him not viewing a five year old as competition for his sister’s affection would be enough for me to not groan whenever he appears.
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https://mangaplus.shueisha.co.jp/viewer/1024180?timestamp=1744564311396 short chapter this week but nightfall's internal monologue on hiding symptoms was very relatable. and we got loid tap-dancing morse code
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The cracks on the wall spelling 'NO' were a hilarious touch.
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Short chapter to say that one-sided crushes (or more like obsessions) can get pretty weirdCaptain Invictus posted:it's like that ProZD skit of the character that is completely awful and insufferable but TRUST ME HE GETS BETTER but for now, absolutely nobody can stand the loving guy. and with a series with so many characters whose pages could be better spent on storylines for them, particularly when one of the main complaints for the series I see is the stagnation around the main three characters and the plotlines for them, spending entire chapters on characters like yuri who people already by and large loathe just makes everyone unhappy in the moment. though we did get some nice development for Yor this chapter, so it wasn't a total wash.
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Chapter 115 https://mangaplus.shueisha.co.jp/viewer/1024181
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This is an odd setup. I like the little guy who's a bush.
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This will be good I'm sure but I would like to see Yor and her I guess we have more of an answer (though still vague) of what Garden is all about. They're definitely not strictly an arm of the government.
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Good job on figuring out a way to thread the needle of still being a cool assassin without picking targets that would be too sympathetic
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Yor and Hemlock have big "clueless golden retriever vs. a pissed off cat" energy.
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TwoPair posted:I guess we have more of an answer (though still vague) of what Garden is all about. They're definitely not strictly an arm of the government. Yeah, I'm guessing they're a vestigial arm of a past(?) government, or a government that has lost most of its Imperial lustre and/or royal power to civilian authority- and I can certainly see why! Even if tensions weren't so, well, tense, I doubt that even the Not!Stasi would want to tangle with a society of super-assassins. EDIT: Reading it again, I'm getting the vibe that Garden might not be as pro-Ostania as I had previously thought. If Ostania and Westalis had been part of some greater Empire in the past, much like East and West Germany were part of the German Empire, it makes sense that they'd see protecting the wildlife in the DMZ as part of their duties, wholly apart from any political concerns. It might also be setting them up as an unlikely/surprising ally for our protagonists, one that might actually have some ideals instead of the realpolitik concerns of either nations' civil authorities. CommissarMega fucked around with this message at 18:16 on Apr 27, 2025 |
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I can already see the scene where Yor wins a fight against some big palooka and thinks she's killed him, only for him to start getting up while she's not looking, only for him to get trampled to death by some spooked elk.
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I totally read Gympie saying "I've been here the whole time" like Sam Reich introducing an episode of Game Changer, and now I'm going to assume that's his voice. 
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CommissarMega posted:Yeah, I'm guessing they're a vestigial arm of a past(?) government, or a government that has lost most of its Imperial lustre and/or royal power to civilian authority- and I can certainly see why! Even if tensions weren't so, well, tense, I doubt that even the Not!Stasi would want to tangle with a society of super-assassins. I've always been of the opinion that Garden don't work FOR the government, but WITH the government when their goals align in terms of keeping Ostania safe and prosperous and have no issue telling the gov to go pound sand when they try yo pull rank.
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CommissarMega posted:Yeah, I'm guessing they're a vestigial arm of a past(?) government, or a government that has lost most of its Imperial lustre and/or royal power to civilian authority- and I can certainly see why! Even if tensions weren't so, well, tense, I doubt that even the Not!Stasi would want to tangle with a society of super-assassins. My read on Garden's loyalties given the villa they're meeting up in, Garden is most likely some descendant of the equivalent of the Holy Roman Empire.
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doomrider7 posted:I've always been of the opinion that Garden don't work FOR the government, but WITH the government when their goals align in terms of keeping Ostania safe and prosperous and have no issue telling the gov to go pound sand when they try yo pull rank. Yeah seems like they're more like a very picky PMC only with super-assassins instead of regular rear end soldiers
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Learning that they're murderous monarchists makes me immediately highlight Yor's code name of Thorn Princess in big red circles
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bobbertoriley posted:I totally read Gympie saying "I've been here the whole time" like Sam Reich introducing an episode of Game Changer, and now I'm going to assume that's his voice. this series never gets that deep into that kind of vile torture
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