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Neat! That could probably use an epilepsy warning, though. Lots of flashing lights especially in Loid's section.
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Electric Phantasm posted:KEEP ON TRUCKIN That's the first thing I thought of. I love Yor constantly catching the tea, too.
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ED https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ql6YwCTAko 
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Spy X Family - Just basically making ALL the good intro/credits music for the year.
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I bought the Spy X Family fan book and it had some interesting stuff. Endo struggles with showing Yor’s job because it’s hard to show her assassination in an ethical way, Bond prefers Franky to Yor, etc. What really struck me is how many creators Endo has worked with throughout his career, either as an assistant or as assistants to him. He’s worked with the creator of Blue Exorcist, Attack on Titan, and Shadows House, a real smorgasbord of creators
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thetoughestbean posted:I bought the Spy X Family fan book and it had some interesting stuff. Endo struggles with showing Yor’s job because it’s hard to show her assassination in an ethical way, Bond prefers Franky to Yor, etc. He's been doing this for awhile Spy X Family was kind of his big hit.
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thetoughestbean posted:I bought the Spy X Family fan book and it had some interesting stuff. Endo struggles with showing Yor’s job because it’s hard to show her assassination in an ethical way, Bond prefers Franky to Yor, etc. I was initially surprised by this until I thought about it and was like "yeah I guess he takes Bond on more walks than she does..."
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thetoughestbean posted:I bought the Spy X Family fan book and it had some interesting stuff. Endo struggles with showing Yor’s job because it’s hard to show her assassination in an ethical way, Bond prefers Franky to Yor, etc. IIRC it was his time with Fujimoto working on Fire Punch that motivated him and ultimately led to Spy X Family.
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Electric Phantasm posted:IIRC it was his time with Fujimoto working on Fire Punch that motivated him and ultimately led to Spy X Family. It's a kind of interesting setup there, since Endo was a veteran who'd had a couple serializations already, while Fujimoto was a rookie more than a decade younger than him. They shared an editor, though (Endo and Rin go way back. They had a trip to New York together to do location scouting for Trista on basically no budget, which is the kind of thing that makes people lifelong friends or archenemies), so Endo agreed. It meant Fujimoto had a veteran supporting him, and that Endo learned a lot about the proper use of assistants.
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Him having trouble making yor not be despicable as a murderer with undoubtedly dozens if not a hundred kills under her belt is totally understandable, I wonder if he will change it somehow down the line. Like I think he's tried to do that with the gardener person having her kill supposed "evil" targets. But when she inevitably targets Twilight, maybe that will be the turning point where she quits, or does her own thing, or something. I agree though, for a series that tries to juggle the cute family life with their secret brutal/serious jobs, yor seems like a near impossible task to balance.
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Yeah, I think there's just some dissonance there because there's a general understanding that it's possible for spies to be morally "respectable" even if they aren't on your side, but the same isn't really true of domestic assassination squads that bump off your own people who they deem disloyal. I forget, what's the relationship between Garden and Ostania's government?
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Has Twilight killed anyone onscreen?
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Nebrilos posted:Has Twilight killed anyone onscreen? Are we counting the people who absolutely should have died during the grenade proposal scene
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Rand Brittain posted:Yeah, I think there's just some dissonance there because there's a general understanding that it's possible for spies to be morally "respectable" even if they aren't on your side, but the same isn't really true of domestic assassination squads that bump off your own people who they deem disloyal. Garden is an unofficial assassin syndicate, that appearntly takes orders from Ostania's Shadow Government, only a few members of State Security know they exist. Franky stated they eliminated at least one of the contacts that gathers intel for him. They also have underworld connections.
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Nebrilos posted:Has Twilight killed anyone onscreen? It's hard to remember. I mean, he's thrown a lot of grenades and people have almost certainly died, but explosions are convenient since you don't have bodies and despite being more gruesome... they're also kinda not? Yor, on the other hand, stabs dudes, there's not really a way to mask that besides doing it off-screen or doing a "post-game" shot of Yor surrounded by bodies after a job.
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TwoPair posted:Yor, on the other hand, stabs dudes, there's not really a way to mask that besides doing it off-screen or doing a "post-game" shot of Yor surrounded by bodies after a job. Or we could just see the stabs on screen:  
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How many pages did we spend to establish those assholes absolutely deserved getting Yor-ed though?
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Omobono posted:How many pages did we spend to establish those assholes absolutely deserved getting Yor-ed though? I think that's from the boat arc, and like, the whole set up is that Yor is protecting a woman and baby fleeing the country, you don't need too much set up other than that. The guys are willing to kill babies, that's worthy of Yor-ing. To be clear, I'm all for showing stabs, I'm saying that I get why Endo is reluctant to do more of them, because it's hard to sufficiently come up with reasons that justify a stabbing without making her a really morally dubious character*. It's much easier to just show her insane assassin skills in more silly scenarios like kicking a car off the road. *I know at its heart, "assassin" is a pretty loving morally dubious career (as is spy, frankly!) but it's important for the story that we the audience still like Yor, and the more missions of hers we see risks that.
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there's also the issue that when Yor's character is first established. She lacks common sense...so if the assassin organization is the bad guys, they can easily trick her without question.
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Frankly I’d be ok if Yor and Twilight were both more morally dubious The whole concept of the series is ethically sketchy as gently caress as is
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People here pretending as if the majority of Spy x Family audience wouldn't still like Yor even if she committed a genocide on-screen.
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Yeah, I think part of the issue is that even if Garden is doing their due diligence, Yor is too dumb/naive to actually judge whether due diligence is being done. Honestly I'm looking forward to getting the backstory on how Yor became an assassin in the first place. Presumably it involves the Shopkeeper seeing her on the street accidentally destroy some fool and thinking "wow, I wish I had an agent who could do that, but, like, on purpose."
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Lt. Lizard posted:People here pretending as if the majority of Spy x Family audience wouldn't still like Yor even if she committed a genocide on-screen. Hell,
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true. the way he adopted Anna for his purpose is pretty much the same thing as human trafficking and its all cool
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TwoPair posted:*I know at its heart, "assassin" is a pretty loving morally dubious career (as is spy, frankly!) but it's important for the story that we the audience still like Yor, and the more missions of hers we see risks that. Which is my point. The first time we followed her on her job for more than a panel or two we had to establish those dude deserved the stabbings. You can find my By contrast Lloyd having to kill someone is explicitly a big complication for his spy job, so we can follow him without problems because his job description doesn't involve shanking a dude ALL the time, only sometimes. TL,DR: Lloyd's job can involve things like crashing an underground death tennis tournament, Yor's job is premeditated murder. Lt. Lizard posted:People here pretending as if the majority of Spy x Family audience wouldn't still like Yor even if she committed a genocide on-screen. Please don't @ me.
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they should've made yor agent 47 instead of an explicitly secret government hitman
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Honestly one of the most interesting angles of The Garden to me is where it falls between "government-backed office" and "independent outfit." The Garden is explicitly opposed to the war efforts of the National Unity Party, but its also attacking revolutionary groups trying to expose just how bad the Ostanian government is. Its a really fascinating line it tries to sit on, and honestly paints it as almost more irresponsible than if it was a purely conservative or liberal faction.
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Finally started watching this and I already love it after just one episode. Two questions though: 1: Is the manga still going (and did the anime version cut/change anything from it, I don't care about spoilers BTW)? 2: Related to the first, what chapter are we up to as of the Season 2 premiere so I know where to start reading after I catch up with the anime Larryb fucked around with this message at 17:15 on Oct 9, 2023 |
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Nerdietalk posted:Honestly one of the most interesting angles of The Garden to me is where it falls between "government-backed office" and "independent outfit." The Garden is explicitly opposed to the war efforts of the National Unity Party, but its also attacking revolutionary groups trying to expose just how bad the Ostanian government is. Its a really fascinating line it tries to sit on, and honestly paints it as almost more irresponsible than if it was a purely conservative or liberal faction. I view them as a "middle of the road independent group who wants peace". Basically, anyone who threatens to start something of any kind whether for good or bad is on their hit list.
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Larryb posted:Finally started watching this and I already love it after just one episode. Two questions though: 1. yes, and so far just seems to mostly be minor reordering (S2 premiere happened a while earlier in the manga, but no real plot impact) 2. based on the preview, looks like ep 2 is going to be ch 39
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Yeah as mentioned they killed at least one of Franky's contacts, so anyone betraying Ostania in any way is a target.
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The biggest change I can think of is the anime added the whole sequence of Twilight fighting through the agents in the castle. In the manga they just showed up and stood there while Yor tried to kill him.
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ThingOne posted:The biggest change I can think of is the anime added the whole sequence of Twilight fighting through the agents in the castle. In the manga they just showed up and stood there while Yor tried to kill him. They also added most of the half-episode or so where Yor is trying to deliver Anya's gym uniform, which I believe was part of the manga but got beefed up in the adaptation heavily.
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Larryb posted:Finally started watching this and I already love it after just one episode. Two questions though: Stuker already answered your question but just wanted to point out there is an anime-only thread here in case you don't want to risk being spoiled on anything in the future.
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Arist posted:They also added most of the half-episode or so where Yor is trying to deliver Anya's gym uniform, which I believe was part of the manga but got beefed up in the adaptation heavily. This one is kinda funny cause it felt like even the anime staff are demanding more Yor.
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Lt. Lizard posted:People here pretending as if the majority of Spy x Family audience wouldn't still like Yor even if she committed a genocide on-screen.
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i like the political drama as seen through the eyes of a child (and her dog)
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Garden, while ultimately an assassination organization, focused on maintaining the peace between countries? IIRC some of Yor's targets were people who were gonna betray Ostania but cause massive incidents in how they did it. Also Yor's boss was worried her husband wanted closer contact woth Desmond who is pro-war as far as we know, but it was ambiguous if the worry was Loid having pro-Desmond views or trying to get close to him. And I might be confused but I think Frankie's contacts were caught by the SS, not merked? If I'm not wrong then Garden is a blacker version of WISE in that they also work towards maintaining the peace, just with murders instead of spy work. Of course as I said I could be remembering wrong, it's been a while.
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