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TwoPair
Mar 28, 2010

Pandamn It Feels Good To Be A Gangsta
Grimey Drawer

Fabricated posted:

Endo's editor jabbing him with a stick because he's slipping back into his darker tendencies

clearly not hard enough because the last chapter wasn't exactly a pick-me-up affair either.

After this arc it's gonna be so fuckin bizarre going back to "Anya makes funny faces lol"

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RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




It's so loving weird when stories have different tones throughout them

ZepiaEltnamOberon
Oct 25, 2010

I Failed At Anime 2022
It's sad and horrific when people die in war, it's funny when Yor kills people (or dreams about killing people, like when she thought about killing a dude whose only sin was that his son got accepted to the school when Anya did not so Yor could make a vacancy for Anya).

Tree Goat
May 24, 2009

argania spinosa

ZepiaEltnamOberon posted:

It's sad and horrific when people die in war, it's funny when Yor kills people (or dreams about killing people, like when she thought about killing a dude whose only sin was that his son got accepted to the school when Anya did not so Yor could make a vacancy for Anya).

you'll regret that position when, 50 chapters from now, we get a poignant flashback for sickle-and-chain barnaby

Agronox
Feb 4, 2005

RareAcumen posted:

It's so loving weird when stories have different tones throughout them

It’s fine here but I do think the anime suffers for it a bit.

Tunicate
May 15, 2012

Tree Goat posted:

you'll regret that position when, 50 chapters from now, we get a poignant flashback for sickle-and-chain barnaby

Turns out he was just an innocent circus performer

ZepiaEltnamOberon
Oct 25, 2010

I Failed At Anime 2022

Tree Goat posted:

you'll regret that position when, 50 chapters from now, we get a poignant flashback for sickle-and-chain barnaby

Barnaby didn't die!!!! He just got beaten up and tied up!!!!! He's like, the one assassin who Yor didn't kill during her time on the ship because he fought her in public.

Yinlock
Oct 21, 2008

Captain Invictus posted:

I disagree. I am happy to learn about the backstory of these two, as well as further backstory of the setting

I know it doesn't even scratch the soles of something like one piece's gargantuan flashbackathon(s) but IMO when a flashback has gone on for like 100+ pages it's a bit much

like it's not BAD(aside from the tonal whiplash but SxF has always had that to some degree) but it came out of nowhere and keeps going and going

e: it's like when someone is telling you an interesting story irl but is ALSO mulling over every single detail and taking forever to do it

Yinlock fucked around with this message at 03:02 on Jun 24, 2024

Shinjobi
Jul 10, 2008



Gravy Boat 2k
a soldier's death is unfortunate and ultimately avoidable


an assassin's death is lol especially when it's Yor doing the killing cause lol Yor is a goof

Mraagvpeine
Nov 4, 2014

I won this avatar on a technicality this thick.
It's one thing to force people who never trained to kill people to suddenly kill people, it's another when trained killers have to kill each other.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

MAV Tactics

Yinlock posted:

I know it doesn't even scratch the soles of something like one piece's gargantuan flashbackathon(s) but IMO when a flashback has gone on for like 100+ pages it's a bit much

like it's not BAD(aside from the tonal whiplash but SxF has always had that to some degree) but it came out of nowhere and keeps going and going

e: it's like when someone is telling you an interesting story irl but is ALSO mulling over every single detail and taking forever to do it

Why is it a bit much? A Flashback can be 40 chapters if it is well told and engaging.

Yinlock
Oct 21, 2008

ImpAtom posted:

Why is it a bit much?

Yinlock posted:

it came out of nowhere and keeps going and going

like there was nothing at all prompting this, it's just suddenly we're going into a deep dive on a very side character's backstory. for 100+ pages. okay?? it's not bad but why

also a 40 chapter flashback is just a spinoff at that point, and yes i'm aware some manga have gone beyond that

TwoPair
Mar 28, 2010

Pandamn It Feels Good To Be A Gangsta
Grimey Drawer

RareAcumen posted:

It's so loving weird when stories have different tones throughout them

I know you're being sarcastic (or at least I'm 99% sure you are) but I'm just saying I think this is the darkest the story's gotten so far, yes even darker than the Loid origin... in my opinion at least. And it's right after a silly story where Anya runs a gauntlet of silly tests (during which Loid is literally puppeting her on strings) against a bunch of other literal children to dance with Damian.

I'm not saying it's bad, it just makes me think of the "wow cool robot" Gundam meme only it's "ha family antics" and Endo's just popping in to remind us all that war is hell and preventing it is ultimately the whole mission.

Arbite
Nov 4, 2009






Tree Goat posted:

you'll regret that position when, 50 chapters from now, we get a poignant flashback for sickle-and-chain barnaby

I bet a young Steel-Gut Gullick-Son helps Martha over the border so she hooks him up with a Blackbell girdle.

OnimaruXLR
Sep 15, 2007
Lurklurklurklurklurk
I've been loving these chapters because all this grim poo poo being the underlying motivation for the Forgers (even Anya in her way) is what keeps this comic from literally just being Spy x Spy where they play house when not trying to kill each other

Fabricated
Apr 9, 2007

Living the Dream
It would be kinda funny if they never explain what caused the original war.

TheKingofSprings
Oct 9, 2012

C'mon, Jack! You should be grateful I only blew your children to pieces using the little bombs!

ZepiaEltnamOberon posted:

It's sad and horrific when people die in war, it's funny when Yor kills people (or dreams about killing people, like when she thought about killing a dude whose only sin was that his son got accepted to the school when Anya did not so Yor could make a vacancy for Anya).

Framing is everything

Dr. Stone could be one of the most depressing as poo poo series out there if it were framed slightly differently

CommissarMega
Nov 18, 2008

THUNDERDOME LOSER

Fabricated posted:

It would be kinda funny if they never explain what caused the original war.

Do we really need a reason though? It's 99& probably old mean dreaming of glory staying far from the front lines as they send young people to die for that glory.

TheKingofSprings
Oct 9, 2012

C'mon, Jack! You should be grateful I only blew your children to pieces using the little bombs!
Anything that isn’t building to either Loid unravelling Desmond’s plan or kissing Yor on the mouth is superfluous

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

MAV Tactics

TheKingofSprings posted:

Anything that isn’t building to either Loid unravelling Desmond’s plan or kissing Yor on the mouth is superfluous

What about Loid unravelling Yor's plans and kissing Desmond on the mouth?

Coca Koala
Nov 28, 2005

ongoing nowhere
College Slice

ImpAtom posted:

What about Loid unravelling Yor's plans and kissing Desmond on the mouth?

Please don’t post spoilers for my fanfiction tyvm

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Fabricated posted:

It would be kinda funny if they never explain what caused the original war.

This flashback war was inspired by the previous war, and so on ad infinitum.

GhostofJohnMuir
Aug 14, 2014

uh, wow and i thought loid's flashback was dark. basically charley's war with a cuter art style at this point

GhostofJohnMuir fucked around with this message at 17:27 on Jun 24, 2024

TheKingofSprings
Oct 9, 2012

C'mon, Jack! You should be grateful I only blew your children to pieces using the little bombs!

ImpAtom posted:

What about Loid unravelling Yor

This is a manga for children, ImpAtom, Jesus

Tunicate
May 15, 2012

TheKingofSprings posted:

This is a manga for children, ImpAtom, Jesus

Industrial X Safety

ZiegeDame
Aug 21, 2005

YUKIMURAAAA!
I do think this flashback has potential to give us some more insight into Desmond's deal, and also sets up two possible allies for Team Peace when poo poo really starts to hit the fan.

Nerdietalk
Dec 23, 2014

I'm still expecting something suspicious about the kindly old couple next door and I would love any hint of that to be unveiled.

Scallop Eyes
Oct 15, 2021

TwoPair posted:

I know you're being sarcastic (or at least I'm 99% sure you are) but I'm just saying I think this is the darkest the story's gotten so far, yes even darker than the Loid origin... in my opinion at least. And it's right after a silly story where Anya runs a gauntlet of silly tests (during which Loid is literally puppeting her on strings) against a bunch of other literal children to dance with Damian.


For me this feels darker than Loid's flashback because here we see all the horrific things happening . One of the women getting shot in the head is a normal sized panel and treated as something that just happens on the battlefield.

On the whole, I'm really liking this detour, but at the same time I don't know how much more it can hold my interest. Feels like it's best to end in the next couple chapters.

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty

Nerdietalk posted:

I'm still expecting something suspicious about the kindly old couple next door and I would love any hint of that to be unveiled.
they're ghosts

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

ImpAtom posted:

Why is it a bit much? A Flashback can be 40 chapters if it is well told and engaging.

I'm sorry, but it's just Too Much. Those are the rules. If you have a problem with them, you can ask God.

Saoshyant
Oct 26, 2010

:hmmorks: :orks:


Ytlaya posted:

I'm sorry, but it's just Too Much. Those are the rules. If you have a problem with them, you can ask God.

I have asked God and have been told that exactly two more chapters will be the perfect length. I trust this judgement as should all of you.

Tunicate
May 15, 2012

I just got offered a cube, and was told that the flashback needed to get a complete re-draw.

where the red fern gropes
Aug 24, 2011


Nerdietalk posted:

I'm still expecting something suspicious about the kindly old couple next door and I would love any hint of that to be unveiled.

theory: they are the leaders of Westalis but they retired

Brought To You By
Oct 31, 2012

Failed my 2025 Anime Resolution

Ytlaya posted:

I'm sorry, but it's just Too Much. Those are the rules. If you have a problem with them, you can ask God.

I mean, the entirety of the Golden Age arc of Berserk is technically 11 volumes of flashback. I don't see those rules chiselled in stone.

GhostofJohnMuir
Aug 14, 2014

Tunicate posted:

I just got offered a cube, and was told that the flashback needed to get a complete re-draw.

I don't want murata levels of horny anywhere near this particular series

Tunicate
May 15, 2012

GhostofJohnMuir posted:

I don't want murata levels of horny anywhere near this particular series

Murata would make Loid kiss his waifu

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




GhostofJohnMuir posted:

I don't want murata levels of horny anywhere near this particular series

This feels like the perfect timeframe for pin-up girls on planes, I'm kinda surprised there hasn't been anywhere, as far as I can remember.

PringleCreamEgg
Jul 2, 2004

Sleep, rest, do your best.
This series can’t afford to have any level of horny. Yor and Lloyd are too hot and if Endo opens that door then it will never be able to be closed as it becomes Spy x Fan-Service.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug
Pillbug

PringleCreamEgg posted:

This series can’t afford to have any level of horny. Yor and Lloyd are too hot and if Endo opens that door then it will never be able to be closed as it becomes Spy x Fan-Service.

I suspect there will eventually be more of a buildup of Yor and Lloyd's relationship, either Loid relizing he actually likes having a family and likes Yor, and vice versa. Otherwise it'll likely be hard to wrap up the series.

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Preechr
May 19, 2009

Proud member of the Pony-Brony Alliance for Obama as President

CommieGIR posted:

I suspect there will eventually be more of a buildup of Yor and Lloyd's relationship, either Loid relizing he actually likes having a family and likes Yor, and vice versa. Otherwise it'll likely be hard to wrap up the series.

After Loid and Yor have their third child together, Handler will finally reveal to him that Operation Strix ended after like a year and that was just the agency’s way of getting him to finally retire.

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