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narm00 posted:Loid's backstory was three chapters, this will be six. Loid is also one of the protagonists and the person who we spend the most time with overall outside of Anya, knowing what makes him tick is worthwhile even if the overall story is interrupted to do so ImpAtom posted:It's relevant now. They've always had brief flashes to drive this point home though, I don't think anyone forgot that stopping the war is in fact important e: or basically where the red fern gropes posted:this didn't need to be 4? chapters Yinlock fucked around with this message at 18:35 on Jul 8, 2024 |
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Just to be clear: The six chapters could be exactly the same except that Anya is reading someone's mind instead of that person telling the story and suddenly it would become relevant?
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Jul 8, 2024 19:09
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Personally I hope the rest of the manga is just this flashback
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RuBisCO posted:Becky's gonna march straight to Henderson's office after this "You are getting married right now sir and having babies!" "Ms. Blackbell I don't think you understand how that wor-" "DO IT"
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Keep in mind this is also Henderson's flashback as much as it is Martha's and he's been in the story since the first ten chapters or so.
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You all are just having a way wordier argument about filler or not filler right now
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i think both things are true i think the part where a woman gives up her personal goals in service of country and ends up disguising herself (as a civilian, as a refugee, as a man, etc.) after discovering the futility of war, who meets a guy who dies, perhaps because he was disguising his mortal wounds, all within the framing story of how two people who, because of obstacles introduced by the universal horrors of war and the inability to see past a person's surface presentation and into the heart of their desires, were unable to find the happiness that comes from opening up and loving another person, is not necessarily tonally or thematically distinct from the rest of the manga. i also think it's fun when the crazy family of misfits gets up to zany adventures and wouldn't mind seeing more of those soon.
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Yeah it’s not any argument about the quality of the chapters, they’re good stuff, it’s just been a month+ since Anya made a silly face and that’s something I also enjoy.
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Y'all lack elegance.
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It's bleak, but I think those experiences show what is on that generation's mind. Despite the escalation, only the naive would want to return to those experiences. I'm surprised neither State didn't claim victory despite no victory being had by anyone.
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I imagine cause it was like WW1, where nothing was really accomplished.
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RareAcumen posted:You all are just having a way wordier argument about filler or not filler right now Oh God nooooo... 
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RareAcumen posted:You all are just having a way wordier argument about filler or not filler right now It's called "world building"
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https://x.com/AniNewsAndFacts/status/1811304793320661108?t=_ns2M4Zb03YMAxdM_C5BfA&s=19 Princess Anyanoke
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RareAcumen posted:You all are just having a way wordier argument about filler or not filler right now Nah filler would still involve the main cast, this is a months-long deep dive on a cool lady we rarely see and a mostly gag character. I don't think there's a word for that. I'm not usually the MUST REMAIN FOCUSED AT ALL TIMES guy but I just want more of a relevance hook for something this big than Henderson suddenly going "this reminds me of the time everything sucked" followed by a months-long flashback, it's not about it not being goofy enough or whatever. I think the manga already does a pretty good job of reminding us that war is bad on the regular too so it's not like everyone forgot that. e: basically i'm old_man_yells_at_cloud.jpg Yinlock fucked around with this message at 07:31 on Jul 12, 2024 |
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It's not just Henderson reminiscing, it's Martha also telling the story to Becky.
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If this flashback doesn't end with Martha or Henderson taking off their face and revealing that they were Loid the entire time then why are we even seeing this? How does seeing firsthand experiences of the war relate to Anya struggling to get above a 50 on a single chemistry test?
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ImpAtom posted:Just to be clear: RareAcumen posted:If this flashback doesn't end with Martha or Henderson taking off their face and revealing that they were Loid the entire time then why are we even seeing this? How does seeing firsthand experiences of the war relate to Anya struggling to get above a 50 on a single chemistry test? the relevance comes from anya being a Main Character whose point of view we frequently see. as a result her character development and perspective is a major component and driving force of the story. War Bad is also part of the story. how much does our Main Character understand that War Bad? if she did Mind Reading to learn that War Bad, would it develop her further as a character? if so, it's a missed opportunity if it doesn't happen
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what's with all this dumb montagues and capulets bullshit, why can't we just focus on romeo and juliet smooching
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I think these chapters are great, and here's how I see it: - The flashbacks are a way of worldbuilding and we find out that there's been two wars between Ostania and Westalis, at the very least. This is a big deal because Henry, Martha and Donovan's generation have experienced war twice in their entire lifetime. It raises the stakes of the main plot because, as it turns out, peace truly is that fragile. - We finally get some clue on how Donovan ticks. The reason he can't understand others and why he says that war is inevitable stems from a childish belief that people are liars, to the point that he's severely broken his own family. It makes him a foil to the Forgers, who managed to become a close and loving family unit because of/despite their lies. - Loid's flashback showed what happens when war brutally rips a child away from his family and home and how they had to grow up during that turmoil. It's what could happen to Anya is war ever does break out again. Henry and Martha's flashback shows what happens when war rips apart two people before they could confess their feelings for one another. This is just as relevant because it demonstrates that Loid and Yor could very easily be torn apart if war does happen again. They won't be able to smooch, dammit! - These chapters wants to make a point about the nature of war. The higher-ups of a government can spur people to fight out of a sense of patriotism, but all it does is dehumanize the soldiers who actually have to do the fighting. They're glorified as brave souls fighting the good fight, while they're actually used up and not given any care once the fighting ends. It's a different perspective from Loid's flashback that showed how war affects civilians. - I can't blame Tatsuya Endo for having this extended sequence to show how war is horrible, given what's happening in the world IRL right now. He's trying to reach the hearts of the shonen demographic to try and make them realize the importance of peace.
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Plotwise it also 1) makes Becky aware of their relationship, which may play into the chain of events when 2) poo poo hits the fan and Henderson and Martha now have an established backstory that positions them to (probably) be on the Forgers' side because they're sick of war too. Henderson was always more than a joke character, he stuck his neck out for the Forgers from the very beginning and got demoted as a result, and has been firmly dedicated to the students' development. I do hope this doesn't mean Endo is already ready to move into the endgame, though.
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where the red fern gropes posted:the relevance comes from anya being a Main Character whose point of view we frequently see. as a result her character development and perspective is a major component and driving force of the story. War Bad is also part of the story. how much does our Main Character understand that War Bad? if she did Mind Reading to learn that War Bad, would it develop her further as a character? if so, it's a missed opportunity if it doesn't happen A side character's development can be just as important as a main character's. Some of the best chapters in many manga revolve around people who are not the leads
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usenet celeb 1992 posted:Plotwise it also 1) makes Becky aware of their relationship, which may play into the chain of events when 2) poo poo hits the fan and Henderson and Martha now have an established backstory that positions them to (probably) be on the Forgers' side because they're sick of war too. Henderson was always more than a joke character, he stuck his neck out for the Forgers from the very beginning and got demoted as a result, and has been firmly dedicated to the students' development. ImpAtom posted:A side character's development can be just as important as a main character's. Some of the best chapters in many manga revolve around people who are not the leads these are good points. perhaps i am the side character in this forum thread
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Also this will end up relevant to the main plot when the flashback ends and Becky recruits Anya to try and get Martha and Henry together because she is obsessed with romance stories (and Anya helps under the incorrect assumption he would reward them with a stella).
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InspectorCarbonara posted:Also this will end up relevant to the main plot when the flashback ends and Becky recruits Anya to try and get Martha and Henry together because she is obsessed with romance stories (and Anya helps under the incorrect assumption he would reward them with a stella). This sounds like a genuine storyline, well done
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New chapter: https://mangaplus.shueisha.co.jp/viewer/1021540 How Becky and most readers feel 
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The pain is finally over. For now. Lmao at Becky immediately asking why Martha didn't try to seduce a married man
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This chapter shows why the previous chapters were important.
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SirKibbles posted:This chapter shows why the previous chapters were important. i loved the preceding chapters regardless, but yeah this one gave me the impression of foreshadowing for the story's climax
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So she found a guy herself for a time at least right? RIGHT?
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AtomikKrab posted:So she found a guy herself for a time at least right? RIGHT?
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AtomikKrab posted:So she found a guy herself for a time at least right? RIGHT? 
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All's well that ends well, since Henry's wife is dead now (and they made sure to mention it's been 15 years, so no one will get mad when he starts dating Martha). (I'm actually thinking that probably *is* the reason they mentioned 15 years lol) It bugs me a little that they grouped up xenophobia with "blaming elites" as equally unreasonable things, when "blaming the people who actually have power for the actions of the government (or other powerful institutions)" is entirely reasonable and it's not a complete mystery why those things happen. It seems like it's going from one extreme (blindly believing things) to the other (just being incurious at the world around you because it's complicated *shrugs*).
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Excellent chapter!Ytlaya posted:
You’re not wrong but blaming the elites could lead to revolutionary or at least unpatriotic thoughts and Becky expressing these views to the wrong people could be dangerous for her and her family. She is quite literally one of these elites, after all.
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PringleCreamEgg posted:Excellent chapter! That's true - I was just reading that exchange as "her teaching Becky wisdom" as opposed to "her tactfully advising against Becky saying such things." And there is kinda the whole issue where almost all these kids are children of the elite (except Anya, of course). Though that kinda makes somehow turning them against their parents even more useful, since they have more protection than the average citizen against saying the wrong things.
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The general public (or at least segments of them) can be a lot more in favour of war than the elites.
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"The elites" are also not a single unified front either. If you are to read into this far more than you should be, the lesson is that there's nuance.
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I mean, if you ask my parents, the terrible, all-powerful elites ruining the country and dooming the coming generations are....grade school and high school teachers, the vile, elitist snobs!
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What a beautiful ending to the arc. I was wondering if homewrecking is a no-no would make a comeback
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Ytlaya posted:All's well that ends well, since Henry's wife is dead now (and they made sure to mention it's been 15 years, so no one will get mad when he starts dating Martha). Gotta remember she's talking to a 6 year old here she'd water it down a bit thetoughestbean posted:What a beautiful ending to the arc. I love the implication that If his wife wasn't a good woman she would've gone for it
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