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Preechr
May 19, 2009

Proud member of the Pony-Brony Alliance for Obama as President

grassy gnoll posted:

Yor is a public servant and murders on the side. It's "other duties as assigned."

Yeah I don’t think she even gets paid for the murdering separately; she’s doing it to make the world a safer place for her brother. She gets the same paycheck all her office buddies get.

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Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

TwoPair posted:

Yeah I admit I have never liked the "Desmond can read minds" theory but it would explain a lot of his behavior/mannerisms, and it would explain his "worthwhile" comment if he found out Anya's secret via Damian just now. That said the only 2 holes I can see would be 1.) that Anya can generally only read pretty surface-level thoughts, though I suppose you could explain that away by saying Donovan's just better at it since he's an adult and a weirdo, and 2.) He met Loid face-to-face and Loid is still active and hasn't been like disappeared or exposed or anything.

I feel like if he can read minds, it might be in some way that has more limitations than Anya.

Rand Brittain
Mar 24, 2013

"Go on until you're stopped."

Ytlaya posted:

I feel like if he can read minds, it might be in some way that has more limitations than Anya.

The main limitation on Anya's ability (aside from the new moon thing that only happened once) is that she's a little kid and doesn't understand everything she sees. I feel like the main limitation on Desmond's power would be that he's a broken old man who doesn't believe true communication is possible and misunderstands most of what he picks up.

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

Rand Brittain posted:

The main limitation on Anya's ability (aside from the new moon thing that only happened once) is that she's a little kid and doesn't understand everything she sees. I feel like the main limitation on Desmond's power would be that he's a broken old man who doesn't believe true communication is possible and misunderstands most of what he picks up.

Someone else mentioned how Donovan would be aware of Loid being a spy if he could also read minds. While it might be the case that he actually is aware of all this stuff and is playing some sort of long-game that involves keeping it secret, I would actually prefer that this not be the case and that there be some limitation that means he can't just directly read the minds of anyone nearby.

For example, maybe he can instead just pick up on something like emotions/feelings, instead of directly reading thoughts.

Justin_Brett
Oct 23, 2012

GAMERDOME put down LOSER
That would make sense, since then he presumably would have been able to tell Loid was trying to deceive him when they first met, even if he didn't know why.

doomrider7
Nov 29, 2018

Ytlaya posted:

Someone else mentioned how Donovan would be aware of Loid being a spy if he could also read minds. While it might be the case that he actually is aware of all this stuff and is playing some sort of long-game that involves keeping it secret, I would actually prefer that this not be the case and that there be some limitation that means he can't just directly read the minds of anyone nearby.

For example, maybe he can instead just pick up on something like emotions/feelings, instead of directly reading thoughts.


Im thinking he can read and feel emotions and emotional responses. Like he can read and feel his wifes hatred/dislike/disdain for him and his son's desire for approval hence throwing that last bit of positivity at him. It would also explain his attitude towards Loid since he'd know his apology lacked an element of sincerity and that he's trying to butter up to him, but would just chalk it up to typical sucking up and not spy stuff.

PringleCreamEgg
Jul 2, 2004

Sleep, rest, do your best.

where the red fern gropes posted:

donovan has autism and genuinely enjoyed being able to have dinner with his whole family

it was silent because he doesn't do well with small talk (because autism)

his wife is bipolar

his elder son(s) are also neurodivergent

damian isn't old enough to understand mental illness yet

and yeah donovan can probably also read minds

This was also legitimately my interpretation of the chapter, though I’m not as convinced about the mind reading thing. Donovan might have just seen some poo poo and have a thousand yard stare because of it. Also we see his eyes squint but I think that’s because he was smiling, we just didn’t see below the bridge of his nose.

Saoshyant
Oct 26, 2010

:hmmorks: :orks:


PringleCreamEgg posted:

This was also legitimately my interpretation of the chapter, though I’m not as convinced about the mind reading thing. Donovan might have just seen some poo poo and have a thousand yard stare because of it. Also we see his eyes squint but I think that’s because he was smiling, we just didn’t see below the bridge of his nose.

He has stitches all across his scalp from some surgery. The ending panel in this chapter made sure to put those on focus for a reason, I imagine.

Could be a red herring, but the pieces are lining up toward some sort of mind reading power, limited or not.

Kingtheninja
Jul 29, 2004

RANMA NO BAKA!
Am I really late to noticing this but Are those stitch marks along the dad's head? Or just cross hatch shading?

narm00
Feb 18, 2006

Preechr posted:

Yeah I don’t think she even gets paid for the murdering separately; she’s doing it to make the world a safer place for her brother. She gets the same paycheck all her office buddies get.

She does get money out of it; Yuri remembers that when he was a kid, she got big paydays (blatantly from her assassin job) she'd use to splurge on things he wanted. This would've been before she got her office job.

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

Kingtheninja posted:

Am I really late to noticing this but Are those stitch marks along the dad's head? Or just cross hatch shading?

They are absolutely stitches.


Regarding Melinda, I'm not an expert but I don't think bipolar manifests like that. She doesn't really have manic/depressive phases - she seems to simultaneously feel both extremes towards Damian (or very rapidly switches between them).

I think it's more likely that her attitude towards her family is messed up and confused due to experiencing a bunch of really disturbing/traumatizing stuff. So she simultaneously loves her son, while also resenting the family.

Also, I don't think being autistic/neurodivergent would cause someone's thoughts to be invisible to Anya like Demetrius's were. If I had to guess, either Demetrius straight-up doesn't think anything most of the time (likely due to whatever hosed up family stuff he's experienced - possibly due to learning his dad has some mind-reading capabilities), or he had his own weird brain procedure done. I lean more towards the former.

(Also this is a series where brains being experimented on is a major part of the plot, so I'd be surprised if there wasn't something related to that intersecting with the Donovan household)

Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 19:47 on Oct 14, 2024

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

Oh I see! This must be the Bad Opinion Zone!
My operating theory is still that Demetrius is the true mastermind somehow.

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

Fangz posted:

My operating theory is still that Demetrius is the true mastermind somehow.

It's Damian's dog. That's why he has the weird eyes. The Donovan family's ancient ancestor's mind is in the dog.

Apocron
Dec 5, 2005
Reading a chapter like this just feels satisfying because it reminds me how good manga can be as a medium.

stuker
Jul 9, 2003

Ytlaya posted:

It's Damian's dog. That's why he has the weird eyes. The Donovan family's ancient ancestor's mind is in the dog.

somehow, kenjaku returned

Tunicate
May 15, 2012

HxH, OPM and SxF updating in the same week is about as good as shonen jump gets

where the red fern gropes
Aug 24, 2011


PringleCreamEgg posted:

This was also legitimately my interpretation of the chapter, though I’m not as convinced about the mind reading thing. Donovan might have just seen some poo poo and have a thousand yard stare because of it. Also we see his eyes squint but I think that’s because he was smiling, we just didn’t see below the bridge of his nose.

he squints because his eyes hurt from keeping them open (he doesnt know what blinking is)

TwoPair
Mar 28, 2010

Pandamn It Feels Good To Be A Gangsta
Grimey Drawer

stuker posted:

somehow, Captain Ginyu returned

AtomikKrab
Jul 17, 2010

Keep on GOP rolling rolling rolling rolling.


What if instead of psychic powers, Donovan has replaced parts of his brain with machinery to enhance his intelligence? He's robotic in nature because his brain is robotic and he's lost his ability to read situations outside of logically.

So yes it was a "productive" dinner.

gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007
if donovan's a telepath, he probably would have been able to read loid's mind. loid is a spy, yes, but his intentions are good. think about how many people donovan must meet as head of state. how many of them have good intentions? he might not really give a drat about even legendary enemy spies unless he has to.

usenet celeb 1992
Jun 1, 2000

he thought quoting borges would make him popular
I'm almost tempted to think the servant he was squinting at was Loid in disguise, just because it goes to that well so often. Or maybe a WISE asset who's not long for this world (as so many of them have been, lately).

Some Numbers
Sep 28, 2006

"LET'S GET DOWN TO WORK!!"
If Loid could infiltrate the Desmond estate that easily, why is he bothering with making Anya and Damien friends?

usenet celeb 1992
Jun 1, 2000

he thought quoting borges would make him popular
The point of Strix is that Desmond spends most of his time cloistered away from everyone, including his own family, in secret government work. They mention this chapter that even coming home is a rare event. A brief visit isn't something you could count on to get a complete picture of what he's doing, but it would still be a chance to discover something.

Anyway it's just an idle half-joking thought that passed through my mind, given that it seems like just about every time there's an oddly placed focus on some background character, Loid's whipping off that mask at the end of the chapter.

usenet celeb 1992 fucked around with this message at 19:50 on Oct 16, 2024

ViviValentine
Aug 16, 2013

gay elf noises

Loid was actually Desmond there the whole time.

Tree Goat
May 24, 2009

argania spinosa

Pyroi posted:

Loid was actually Desmond there the whole time.

The whole manga is just a shaggy dog shounen version of The Man Who Was Thursday

A Sometimes Food
Dec 8, 2010

Tree Goat posted:

The whole manga is just a shaggy dog shounen version of The Man Who Was Thursday

Bond is the shaggy dog not Thursday.

where the red fern gropes
Aug 24, 2011


Tree Goat posted:

The whole manga is just a shaggy dog shounen version of The Man Who Was Thursday

Loid kiss your self

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug
Pillbug

Pyroi posted:

Loid was actually Desmond there the whole time.

Loid accidentally kills Desmond and he and Yor have to "Weekend At Bernies" Desmond while Anya panics.

Electric Phantasm
Apr 7, 2011

YOSPOS

Festival Time

https://www.viz.com/shonenjump/spy-x-family-chapter-107/chapter/44406?action=read

https://mangaplus.shueisha.co.jp/viewer/1022378

Agronox
Feb 4, 2005

The gang’s all here!

(Finally we can abandon Anya)

Saoshyant
Oct 26, 2010

:hmmorks: :orks:


S.T.W.

And abandoning Anya, ASAP, obviously. She's already lost the war of friendship schemes.

usenet celeb 1992
Jun 1, 2000

he thought quoting borges would make him popular
At last, the triumphant return of Bill, the true hero

Melinda is totally sloshed

Sephyr
Aug 28, 2012
Fun and adorable chapter, and I was not expecting the twist at the end.

I Am Fowl
Mar 8, 2008

nononononono
I really hope this twist is more hijinx than tragedy.

Tunicate
May 15, 2012

His editor is back so it's hijinx time

GiantRockFromSpace
Mar 1, 2019

Just Cram It


There's something sad about how Anya imagines Loid abandoning her at the drop of a hat, specially since that was probably Loid's initial idea, albeit in a kinder way like relocating her to a nice family once it's all over.

Thankfully Loid is now A Dad even if he isn't aware of it and that won't happen.


On a happier note, can't wait for Melinda to divine Yor and Loid have the worst compatibility (because she is openly bad at it) and Anya is torn between Yor's happiness and winning Plan B

Supersonic Shine
Oct 13, 2012
Oh ho, isn't that nice, Melinda is also living a double life.

...I suspect Donovan's is way less fun if he's doing something similar.

Electric Phantasm
Apr 7, 2011

YOSPOS

Supersonic Shine posted:

Oh ho, isn't that nice, Melinda is also living a double life.

...I suspect Donovan's is way less fun if he's doing something similar.

It turns everyone is living a double life except for Anya

AtomikKrab
Jul 17, 2010

Keep on GOP rolling rolling rolling rolling.


absolutely excellent chapter.

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usenet celeb 1992
Jun 1, 2000

he thought quoting borges would make him popular

GiantRockFromSpace posted:

There's something sad about how Anya imagines Loid abandoning her at the drop of a hat, specially since that was probably Loid's initial idea, albeit in a kinder way like relocating her to a nice family once it's all over.

Thankfully Loid is now A Dad even if he isn't aware of it and that won't happen.


That little moment is so powerful and seems like a real turning point: he can finally step back and think "...what am I doing" and realize that Anya has not only succeeded in a way he didn't appreciate, but is her own person with her own life. I think it really resonated with his own memories of his background.

I get the feeling that we're heading toward endgame (too soon! too soon!), but I hope that we can at least get a few good chapters where Loid is starting to think of a long-term future for all of them, and it's actually Anya who has to keep his mind on track to keep doing the Cool Spy Stuff.

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