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BENGHAZI 2
Oct 12, 2007

by Cyrano4747


Squizzle posted:

not the same as the comic where peter parker bemoans accidentally assassinating his wife w carcinogenic cum spiders

I wish that part wasn't there because DKR: SpiderMan edition is a really good book

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BENGHAZI 2
Oct 12, 2007

by Cyrano4747


Like I really like the idea of "what if the guilt became too much and Peter shirked his responsibility" because guilt is absolutely something that has hosed Peter up for years so it works better for him than "Jason Todd died and Batman quit because he was sad for the first time" and I ADORE that Jonah is the one who goes to him and says "we need Spider-Man" and the first scene in the mask, when he's doing jokes and beating guys up in his undies, and he says something about "it's not me, I'm somewhere else. The mask is talking now", is such a good inversion of the whole "Batman is the real Bruce Wayne" thing

But

His jizz

MonsieurChoc
Oct 12, 2013

Every species can smell its own extinction.


BENGHAZI 2 posted:

Oh gently caress I know what this ones called gimme a minute

It's one of his awful avatar books like black summer

Edit no hero

Black Summer was alright.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Fully Automated Luxury Space Dog


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CGzBU1MjMk

Mariana Horchata
Jun 30, 2008



College Slice

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This one named A+ list foreign born singer/rapper had to write two separate checks this past month to keep two women from talking about what he did to them last year when they were 16 & 17 respectively.

taqueso
Mar 8, 2004










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Bro Dad
Mar 26, 2010




read Spider-Man: Life Story



Mariana Horchata
Jun 30, 2008



College Slice


Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Fully Automated Luxury Space Dog


Bro Dad posted:

read Spider-Man: Life Story

CA's a VC?

Bro Dad
Mar 26, 2010





its a spider-man series where events move in real ime

iron man gets involved in vietnam which extends the war and alienates captain america, who tells spidey he's gonna investigate what's really happening there

he immediately defects and wages a one-man guerrilla war against the us army

22 Eargesplitten
Oct 10, 2010




For a character that really should be the dumbest most gross jingoistic thing ever they do a lot of stories of him going rogue against USA fashyness.

Guess it's because he was designed to be what people wanted to believe the USA was instead of what it is

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.









Yeah I'm not super into comics but afaik Cap has always been about an idealized America and frequently ends up turning against the actual American government

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

whatever marginal advantage the racial justice protestors gained from being masked was greatly outweighed by the fact that the racial justice protests were larger than the covid protests by a scale or two of magnitude

Echo Chamber posted:

Finishing my dumb "asian americans in cinema survey", Searching was surprisingly good.

searching actually significantly outperformed crazy rich asians in asian markets mainly because asian markets are better about giving decent distribution to movies without major hollywood backing it also helped that searching is pretty obviously just the movie the people who made it felt like making and not an obnoxiously cynical attempt to cash in on wokeness

StashAugustine posted:

Yeah I'm not super into comics but afaik Cap has always been about an idealized America and frequently ends up turning against the actual American government

captain america was created for the sole purpose of getting children to get all gung ho about world war two without question

it amazes me that a character literally named captain america is somehow just a neutral pop culture icon imagine any other country trying to promote a character with a name like that without getting mercilessly mocked by everyone

Peanut President
Nov 5, 2008





it's obvious you haven't read the lore as Captain America is actually just a normal canadian who got bit by a radioactive american

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Fully Automated Luxury Space Dog


Some Guy TT posted:

captain america was created for the sole purpose of getting children to get all gung ho about world war two without question

it amazes me that a character literally named captain america is somehow just a neutral pop culture icon imagine any other country trying to promote a character with a name like that without getting mercilessly mocked by everyone

what's your problem with Captain Caveman?

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 12, 2007

by Cyrano4747


22 Eargesplitten posted:

For a character that really should be the dumbest most gross jingoistic thing ever they do a lot of stories of him going rogue against USA fashyness.

Guess it's because he was designed to be what people wanted to believe the USA was instead of what it is

Mark Waid did a story in the early 00s where skrulls kidnap and impersonate cap to start a race war and after beating the poo poo out of skrulls on live TV he just yells at America for being shitheads who would turn on each other so quickly the second an authority figure said "hey so, there's Undesirables hiding among you"

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 12, 2007

by Cyrano4747


But yeah caps whole thing is he represents what America is supposed to be, and he truly believes in that ideal deep down, and that's why after definitely not Nixon blew his brains out following not Watergate he quit being cap for a while

Also all the other times

Serf
May 5, 2011




i remember reading the ultimates back in the day and lol at their cap



what an absolute trash garbage comic book. stupid and racist

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 12, 2007

by Cyrano4747


Cap in that book is exactly what you'd expect cap to be though

Ultimates is trash but "what if cap woke up in 2000 with all his 50s ideas and his oorah jingoism" is fine

The France line is the exception because cap would have known about the resistance!!!!!

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010



Lipstick Apathy

Serf posted:

i remember reading the ultimates back in the day and lol at their cap



what an absolute trash garbage comic book. stupid and racist

that line still cracks me up everytime. just pure Bush-era patriotism

mandatory lesbian
Dec 18, 2012


BENGHAZI 2 posted:

But yeah caps whole thing is he represents what America is supposed to be, and he truly believes in that ideal deep down, and that's why after definitely not Nixon blew his brains out following not Watergate he quit being cap for a while

Also all the other times

I feel like every cap America incarnation has at least one part where he goes against America and all I can say is that it is incredibly appropriate that america's avatar so frequently opposes it

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 12, 2007

by Cyrano4747


mandatory lesbian posted:

I feel like every cap America incarnation has at least one part where he goes against America and all I can say is that it is incredibly appropriate that america's avatar so frequently opposes it

Captain America would support Bernie

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010



Lipstick Apathy

BENGHAZI 2 posted:

Captain America would support Bernie Mike Gravel

Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008






BENGHAZI 2 posted:

Cap in that book is exactly what you'd expect cap to be though

Ultimates is trash but "what if cap woke up in 2000 with all his 50s ideas and his oorah jingoism" is fine

The France line is the exception because cap would have known about the resistance!!!!!

when cap got froze, trade unions were strong, the new deal had been rammed thru, and socialist and communist parties were visible in american politics

Serf
May 5, 2011




gradenko_2000 posted:

that line still cracks me up everytime. just pure Bush-era patriotism

9/11 broke our brains and 11/9 finished the job

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 12, 2007

by Cyrano4747


Squizzle posted:

when cap got froze, trade unions were strong, the new deal had been rammed thru, and socialist and communist parties were visible in american politics

I mostly meant him being a racist sexist jingoist psycho

ikanreed
Sep 25, 2009

Rise and shine, master leprechaun.





Is Sam Vimes a bastard?

22 Eargesplitten
Oct 10, 2010




Some Guy TT posted:

captain america was created for the sole purpose of getting children to get all gung ho about world war two without question

it amazes me that a character literally named captain america is somehow just a neutral pop culture icon imagine any other country trying to promote a character with a name like that without getting mercilessly mocked by everyone

itís because his first ever appearance he was punching a Nazi, A Good Thing.

Freaking Crumbum
Apr 17, 2003

Too fuck to drunk




22 Eargesplitten posted:

For a character that really should be the dumbest most gross jingoistic thing ever they do a lot of stories of him going rogue against USA fashyness.

Guess it's because he was designed to be what people wanted to believe the USA was instead of what it is

capt america played straight would be directing drone strikes onto civilian targets in afghanistan and torturing enemy pows on cia black sites and poo poo. it's pretty hilarious that the reality of what our military gets up to is so objectively awful that even comic book fantasy writers are like "uh, we straight up can't have our iconic good guy character doing these things". the real crimes our military inflicts on other countries is so cartoonishly evil that even the realm of comic books won't let a good guy in-fiction be a part of the same atrocities

also i haven't read a captain america comic since the end of the civil war run, but have they recreated his iconic punching hitler scene with him punching an alt-right pepe or are the writers aware enough of where their bread gets buttered that they won't cross that line

Percelus
Sep 9, 2012

My command, your wish is



captain america: winter soldier was basically him opposing what was a super drone program using helicarriers instead of standard drones before even finding out nazis in the government were planning to upload their own kill lists

p good movie for a mcu one i think, the elevator fight scene holds up as p baller imo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqIBGEcKhGs

like others have said captain america has often been written as the embodiment of an idealistic america that never existed vs the one that does

it's also probably why he isn't hated by every non american too, even ho chi minh bought into the idealistic version of america before recognizing it was nothing but a lie

Percelus has issued a correction as of 15:23 on Oct 3, 2019

Serf
May 5, 2011




in the mcu cap is a guy who bought the propaganda about america hook line and sinker and then we gave him superpowers

Percelus
Sep 9, 2012

My command, your wish is



Serf posted:

in the mcu cap is a guy who bought the propaganda about america hook line and sinker and then we gave him superpowers

in the first movie, not the second two

Serf
May 5, 2011




Percelus posted:

in the first movie, not the second two

he still buys it in the second two, he just thinks that america went downhill at some point. he's a pretty dumb guy, which makes him great at fighting the symptoms of evil and bad at identifying the cause

Percelus
Sep 9, 2012

My command, your wish is



i'm not going to argue the mcu has good politics but the second movie is basically about drone murder and preemptive strikes while the third is idk but he goes rogue or something

i'm standing by my take the second movie at least has a good message compared to most hollywood drivel that rather fellate drone operators as unsung heroes than question that drone murder is inherently wrong and needs to stop

Percelus has issued a correction as of 15:34 on Oct 3, 2019

Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008






the abnett/lanning era nova always felt to me like a one-man neocon interventionist mil force, that went entirely unscrutinized

just my thoughts

Serf
May 5, 2011




Percelus posted:

i'm not going to argue the mcu has good politics but the second movie is basically about drone murder and preemptive strikes while the third is idk but he goes rogue or something

i'm standing by my take the second movie at least has a good message compared to most hollywood drivel that rather fellate drone operators as unsung heroes than question that drone murder is inherently wrong and needs to stop

personally i like the second movie and i agree with you that, superficially, the message is somewhat good. also a great bit to do is when someone mentions the whole hydra thing, just drop operation paperclip on them to blow their minds

Percelus
Sep 9, 2012

My command, your wish is



the third captain america movie fails to do much because it has such a dumb convoluted plot with the bad guys plan requiring very specific reactions from each of the avengers that would have been impossible to predict that basically you can ignore everything but the airport fight scene

Zerilan
Jan 11, 2008

I have to believe I can do this.







Winter Soldier is good.

Civil War has the kind of Nolan Batman issue of the solution to "government control bad" is that super powered vigilantes should be able to operate free of jurisdiction or accountability.

Percelus
Sep 9, 2012

My command, your wish is



Zerilan posted:

Winter Soldier is good.

Civil War has the kind of Nolan Batman issue of the solution to "government control bad" is that super powered vigilantes should be able to operate free of jurisdiction or accountability.

ya it tries to shoehorn that into the plot but really the plot is just a hamfisted way to setup the sweet airport fight scene and fails to ever reach a satisfying conclusion on any of the themes it briefly touches upon

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Freaking Crumbum
Apr 17, 2003

Too fuck to drunk




Percelus posted:

the third captain america movie fails to do much because it has such a dumb convoluted plot with the bad guys plan requiring very specific reactions from each of the avengers that would have been impossible to predict that basically you can ignore everything but the airport fight scene

the third movie was an excuse to allow the kids to mash all of their toys together in one big battle krrrsh pew pew SMASH boom! and everything else is the movie existed only to enable that moment.

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