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Serf
May 5, 2011




Zerilan posted:

Winter Soldier is good.

Civil War has the kind of Nolan Batman issue of the solution to "government control bad" is that super powered vigilantes should be able to operate free of jurisdiction or accountability.

i liked parts of civil war but as a whole it just doesn't hold together. although the best bit imo was when they're like "you got a bunch of people killed with that whole ultron thing you dumbasses" because superhero movies love to gloss over the thousands of dead and injured people that would be left behind by those battles. they even had a whole scene in ultron where they evacuate the city and they still show them that its not enough

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Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

whatever marginal advantage the racial justice protestors gained from being masked was greatly outweighed by the fact that the racial justice protests were larger than the covid protests by a scale or two of magnitude

captain america played as an actual ultra patriotic guy from the forties would own because half of him would be him pissing everyone off with retrogade assumptions and the other half would be him looking at everyone else in horror because we run a profit military that he would almost certainly recognize as essentially fascist

noone will ever write a version like that because captain america exists as a vehicle for liberal writers to wank about how theyre the real patriots theyd rather write weird bullshit about him being enrolled in a gay nazi boarding school than have him be racist against italians

i think they did a story once where he was portrayed as being naive for not realizing that twins gently caress each other all the time in the 21st century but thats uh not really a very good example of antiquated prejudice

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010



Lipstick Apathy

Serf posted:

the best bit imo was when they're like "you got a bunch of people killed with that whole ultron thing you dumbasses" because superhero movies love to gloss over the thousands of dead and injured people that would be left behind by those battles.

my favorite pendulum swinging on this is Batman v Superman where they just happen to keep fighting in places that are explicitly mentioned as being totally abandoned

22 Eargesplitten
Oct 10, 2010




Zerilan posted:

Winter Soldier is good.

Civil War has the kind of Nolan Batman issue of the solution to "government control bad" is that super powered vigilantes should be able to operate free of jurisdiction or accountability.

I mean at least it didn’t have the comic’s message of “the people running gitmo are the good guys why would you think anything else?

Serf
May 5, 2011




gradenko_2000 posted:

my favorite pendulum swinging on this is Batman v Superman where they just happen to keep fighting in places that are explicitly mentioned as being totally abandoned

"the finance district is obviously abandoned after sundown!"

Freaking Crumbum
Apr 17, 2003

Too fuck to drunk




Some Guy TT posted:

twins gently caress each other all the time in the 21st century

just gonna drop that there with no explanation huh?

is that like an actual, common thing outside niche fetlife communities? i've literally never heard anyone assert "it's 2019 heterozygous twins gently caress each other all the time now grandpa"

KomradeX
Oct 29, 2011


Freaking Crumbum posted:

just gonna drop that there with no explanation huh?

is that like an actual, common thing outside niche fetlife communities? i've literally never heard anyone assert "it's 2019 heterozygous twins gently caress each other all the time now grandpa"

I think in Ultimates, Magnetos kids were loving each other

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

whatever marginal advantage the racial justice protestors gained from being masked was greatly outweighed by the fact that the racial justice protests were larger than the covid protests by a scale or two of magnitude

i dont read comic books i just saw this out of context panel years ago



must not be as well known as i thought

Percelus
Sep 9, 2012

My command, your wish is



i read comics but i never read the ultimates i tend to only read things people say are good which rules out that series

Serf
May 5, 2011




wow last i heard scarlet witch was just into robots

Echo Chamber
Oct 16, 2008

best username/post combo


I do like the "Millennial Socialism" reading of Spider-Man: Homecoming.

Tony Stark is a billionaire technocrat wizard driven by ego, might have vaguely altruistic motivations but has huge blind spots towards to the collateral damage he causes. Sort of like Zuckerberg or Gates or Oprah or Bloomberg or Musk or coastal shitlibs.

Vulture is essentially a upper-middle-class Trumper or Brexiteer who styles himself as working class and a victim of neoliberalism; but is really a tyrannical boss who lives comfortably as a rich weapons dealer, and profits off the same capitalist system as Stark.

And Peter Parker is the millennial who grew up with liberal aspirations and emulated people like Tony Stark; but undergoes a rift with liberalism by being more intimately exposed to the blind spots that Stark ignored while interacting with normal people. The film ends with him voluntarily rejecting membership to the Avengers to carve his own path and build socialism locally in his neighborhood.

Of course, Iron Man is a hero; so for this metaphor to work, we would have ignore the fact that Stark's real life counterparts are pretty much evil. Also, Peter Parker's broader arc in the MCU kind of fucks up this reading too.

KomradeX
Oct 29, 2011


The Ultimates was complete dogshit except for Black Nick Fury and Miles Morales, everything else was bad.

My God all the cannibalism

KomradeX
Oct 29, 2011


Echo Chamber posted:

I do like the "Millennial Socialism" reading of Spider-Man: Homecoming.

Tony Stark is a billionaire technocrat wizard driven by ego, might have vaguely altruistic motivations but has huge blind spots towards to the collateral damage he causes. Sort of like Zuckerberg or Gates or Oprah or Bloomberg or Musk or coastal shitlibs.

Vulture is essentially a upper-middle-class Trumper or Brexiteer who styles himself as working class and a victim of neoliberalism; but is really a tyrannical boss who lives comfortably as a rich weapons dealer, and profits off the same capitalist system as Stark.

And Peter Parker is the millennial who grew up with liberal aspirations and emulated people like Tony Stark; but undergoes a rift with liberalism by being more intimately exposed to the blind spots that Stark ignored while interacting with normal people. The film ends with him voluntarily rejecting membership to the Avengers to carve his own path and build socialism locally in his neighborhood.

Of course, Iron Man is a hero; so for this metaphor to work, we would have ignore the fact that Stark's real life counterparts are pretty much evil. Also, Peter Parker's broader arc in the MCU kind of fucks up this reading too.

I'm reminded of a popular thing that circulated around the nerd corners if the Facebook a few months ago and it was what Marvel character would vote Trump and isn't a villian? ABC's a lot of people got mad when people said Tony Stark

Serf
May 5, 2011




the vulture is the hero of homecoming, as he's the only one willing to call stark out for what he truly is. and mcu spider-man is basically a pinkerton but he does it for fun

Dr. Killjoy
Oct 9, 2012




I really enjoyed Ultimate Spider-man when I was 14, but at the same time I had a passionate loathing for Brian Michael Bendis which is even more justified looking back at some excruciatingly bad bits.

coathat
May 21, 2007



Thank God they made an anime about playing german boardgames

KomradeX
Oct 29, 2011


coathat posted:

Thank God they made an anime about playing german boardgames

What?

WampaLord
Jan 14, 2010





Echo Chamber posted:

I do like the "Millennial Socialism" reading of Spider-Man: Homecoming.

Tony Stark is a billionaire technocrat wizard driven by ego, might have vaguely altruistic motivations but has huge blind spots towards to the collateral damage he causes. Sort of like Zuckerberg or Gates or Oprah or Bloomberg or Musk or coastal shitlibs.

Vulture is essentially a upper-middle-class Trumper or Brexiteer who styles himself as working class and a victim of neoliberalism; but is really a tyrannical boss who lives comfortably as a rich weapons dealer, and profits off the same capitalist system as Stark.

And Peter Parker is the millennial who grew up with liberal aspirations and emulated people like Tony Stark; but undergoes a rift with liberalism by being more intimately exposed to the blind spots that Stark ignored while interacting with normal people. The film ends with him voluntarily rejecting membership to the Avengers to carve his own path and build socialism locally in his neighborhood.

Of course, Iron Man is a hero; so for this metaphor to work, we would have ignore the fact that Stark's real life counterparts are pretty much evil. Also, Peter Parker's broader arc in the MCU kind of fucks up this reading too.

I enjoy this.

Serf posted:

the vulture is the hero of homecoming, as he's the only one willing to call stark out for what he truly is. and mcu spider-man is basically a pinkerton but he does it for fun

Vulture is not actually a working class hero, look at his loving house! "I have a family to support" goes out the window when you're spending millions on having the nicest home in the nicest suburb.

Yes he correctly calls out Stark but that doesn't excuse becoming an alien weapons dealer and killing people.

Bro Dad
Mar 26, 2010




Freaking Crumbum posted:

also i haven't read a captain america comic since the end of the civil war run, but have they recreated his iconic punching hitler scene with him punching an alt-right pepe or are the writers aware enough of where their bread gets buttered that they won't cross that line

guess the writer



ta-nehisi coates

Serf
May 5, 2011




WampaLord posted:

Vulture is not actually a working class hero, look at his loving house! "I have a family to support" goes out the window when you're spending millions on having the nicest home in the nicest suburb.

Yes he correctly calls out Stark but that doesn't excuse becoming an alien weapons dealer and killing people.

who's he kill? logan marshall green? big loss. dude pulls off bloodless heists to steal from the worst capitalist on the planet who hosed him over and makes a nice living for him and his crew

coathat
May 21, 2007




https://www.funimation.com/shows/after-school-dice-club/?qid=

During a beautiful spring day in Kyoto, Aya and Miki follow the student council president Midori to a board game shop. The three students end up discovering a German board game that causes them to realize their shared passion for games. In the coming days, many more board games will be found and played!

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010



Lipstick Apathy

WampaLord posted:

Yes he correctly calls out Stark but that doesn't excuse becoming an alien weapons dealer and killing people.

he killed like one dude, and only because they needed to make the explicit statement that This Is Supposed To Be The Bad Guy because the writers are dogshit for repeatedly having sympathetic villains

Killmonger Did Nothing Wrong

coathat
May 21, 2007



The small business owner criminal working class hero

Serf
May 5, 2011




also nobody here said vulture was a working-class hero, that's a weird hallucination

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010



Lipstick Apathy

coathat posted:

The small business owner criminal working class hero

what does being a "criminal" have to do with it? of course people have to operate outside the bounds of the law

Percelus
Sep 9, 2012

My command, your wish is



tbf i read his killing of logan marshall green him just trying to make things easier for the public by no longer having a tom hardy doppleganger to confuse them

plus dopplegangers can't be trusted didn't anyone else play that bg1 dlc

Serf
May 5, 2011




Percelus posted:

tbf i read his killing of logan marshall green him just trying to make things easier for the public by no longer having a tom hardy doppleganger to confuse them

y'know i used to think this too, but logan marshall green owns. upgrade in particular is fantastic. if we're eliminating tom hardy clones, we should get jai courtney instead

Percelus
Sep 9, 2012

My command, your wish is



Serf posted:

y'know i used to think this too, but logan marshall green owns. upgrade in particular is fantastic. if we're eliminating tom hardy clones, we should get jai courtney instead

i've never once confused jai courtney with tom hardy but jai courtney is worthelss so if you want to kill him go ahead at least i won't have to suffer watching anymore movies with him

Serf
May 5, 2011




Percelus posted:

i've never once confused jai courtney with tom hardy but jai courtney is worthelss so if you want to kill him go ahead at least i won't have to suffer watching anymore movies with him

i spent a long time looking at courtney in suicide squad and he's basically just more tom hardy. and somehow he was a bright spot in that dismal film

KomradeX
Oct 29, 2011


coathat posted:

https://www.funimation.com/shows/after-school-dice-club/?qid=

During a beautiful spring day in Kyoto, Aya and Miki follow the student council president Midori to a board game shop. The three students end up discovering a German board game that causes them to realize their shared passion for games. In the coming days, many more board games will be found and played!

Wonder if half the anime will about buying games buy never having the time Rio actually play them with people.

drat will anime just turn anything into a show

Serf
May 5, 2011




https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1179824204834672641?s=20

22 Eargesplitten
Oct 10, 2010




gradenko_2000 posted:

Killmonger Did Nothing Wrong

aside from killing the museum staff and destroying a species of plant that can apparently cure just about anything and attempting to take on every superpower in the world with one country’s industrial capability in race war.

which granted was because Disney is garbage at writing villains and it’s really hard to write a country that can basically solve all the world’s problems but leaves it to rot instead as the good guys.

I remember walking out of that movie disappointed as hell by how much they wimped out like they were writing something making an actual statement but Disney stepped in and said they couldn’t do anything that alienated viewers. basically what they did with The Boondocks after the first season.

that was actually the last MCU movie I watched aside from the gloriously cheesy third Thor and I have zero interest in any of the rest of them.

Serf
May 5, 2011




22 Eargesplitten posted:

aside from killing the museum staff and destroying a species of plant that can apparently cure just about anything and attempting to take on every superpower in the world with one country’s industrial capability in race war.

killmonger did nothing wrong and would have won

Freaking Crumbum
Apr 17, 2003

Too fuck to drunk




Bro Dad posted:

guess the writer

ta-nehisi coates

so wait, the villain is the blonde russian woman that wants to bring communism to the US? this is because she's also an agent of hydra or something, and not just because the prevalent narrative here is COMMUNISM = BAD right?

because if she's the villain for wanting to bring communism, i'm even more confused. i thought coates was regarded as a fairly progressive dude? just a neo-lib fuckboi like all of the other shitlib heroes?

Bro Dad
Mar 26, 2010




Freaking Crumbum posted:

so wait, the villain is the blonde russian woman that wants to bring communism to the US? this is because she's also an agent of hydra or something, and not just because the prevalent narrative here is COMMUNISM = BAD right?

because if she's the villain for wanting to bring communism, i'm even more confused. i thought coates was regarded as a fairly progressive dude? just a neo-lib fuckboi like all of the other shitlib heroes?

shes a literal russian nazi-commie trying to interfere in american politics

Freaking Crumbum
Apr 17, 2003

Too fuck to drunk




Bro Dad posted:

shes a literal russian nazi-commie trying to interfere in american politics

OH NO COMMIE-NAZIS

wait wait i surrender!

TOO LITTLE TOO LATE

Bro Dad
Mar 26, 2010




it is some prime succ lib

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Fully Automated Luxury Space Dog


tfw your values are united

Freaking Crumbum
Apr 17, 2003

Too fuck to drunk




Bro Dad posted:

it is some prime succ lib

do boomers even buy comics in significant quantities any more? i can't believe they're a big enough demo that you'd have any financial benefit for continuing to parrot their gently caress-up fantasy beliefs and talking points in modern comics

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CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!


Freaking Crumbum posted:

do boomers even buy comics in significant quantities any more? i can't believe they're a big enough demo that you'd have any financial benefit for continuing to parrot their gently caress-up fantasy beliefs and talking points in modern comics

I mean they are still mostly written by boomers so I think their sincere

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