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BENGHAZI 2
Oct 12, 2007

by Cyrano4747


Squizzle posted:

the abnett/lanning era nova always felt to me like a one-man neocon interventionist mil force, that went entirely unscrutinized

just my thoughts

Dan Abnetts Magnum opus of Dredd related stuff is about Marshalls (space deputy judges) on a mining station orchestrating a slave rebellion against the city and he is decidedly pro murdering the fascists, in that and also everything else he's done at 2k that I've read

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BENGHAZI 2
Oct 12, 2007

by Cyrano4747


Some Guy TT posted:

captain america played as an actual ultra patriotic guy from the forties would own because half of him would be him pissing everyone off with retrogade assumptions and the other half would be him looking at everyone else in horror because we run a profit military that he would almost certainly recognize as essentially fascist

noone will ever write a version like that because captain america exists as a vehicle for liberal writers to wank about how theyre the real patriots theyd rather write weird bullshit about him being enrolled in a gay nazi boarding school than have him be racist against italians

i think they did a story once where he was portrayed as being naive for not realizing that twins gently caress each other all the time in the 21st century but thats uh not really a very good example of antiquated prejudice

This is literally ultimates captain america

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 12, 2007

by Cyrano4747


Freaking Crumbum posted:

do boomers even buy comics in significant quantities any more? i can't believe they're a big enough demo that you'd have any financial benefit for continuing to parrot their gently caress-up fantasy beliefs and talking points in modern comics

How deep does anyone want me to go

Peanut President
Nov 5, 2008





Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3 posted:

no one will ever write a version like that because he'd spend the whole movie trying to justify why he called nick fury the n word

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3r8KN17wP0#t=14s

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 12, 2007

by Cyrano4747




Captain America is only baffled by the violence done by soldiers when white children are in danger

Two issues in and I'm stroking out

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 12, 2007

by Cyrano4747


Bro Dad posted:

it is some prime succ lib



This immediately follows cap talking to a broke redneck about how Hydra made things better by fixing people's problems

It's literally him being mad that we can't Return To Norms and besting the poo poo out of the people who pretend to offer a solution instead of the people who actually caused everything to suck

An actually good story would be cap as golden age Superman beating up landlords and small business tyrants and tying Jeff bezos to the back of a truck and freeing the workers from the fulfillment center

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 12, 2007

by Cyrano4747


Posting my own tweet because its more pictures than I want to upload via the app on mobile and still get them in the right order

https://twitter.com/KamenRiderUno/status/1179938012400148481?s=19

The two text pages are from punisher Max

I'm tapping out, this is absolutely sickening.

Your options are
A) TNC is ignorant of American history
B) he thinks Cap is ignorant of American history, particularly the history of our military
C) he's willfully blinding himself to the reality of our military (it's this one but humor me)
D) it's a long con about how cap only cares now that it's white people

D would be interesting in the wake of secret Empire, to have cap forced to confront his own prejudices and his role int he system, but lol

A-C are all awful as gently caress in unique ways

A good version of this book would be cap, in the wake of Nazis taking over, realizing that the system that creates the conditions where Nazis taking over is something people are okay with because it provides stability is a system that is deeply flawed and should be destroyed, and renouncing the state again, and becoming a folk hero in the vein of early Superman. Beating up politicians and lovely bosses, standing up for the little guy, agitating for a better world, and eventually sparking a revolution of his own

BENGHAZI 2 has issued a correction as of 02:17 on Oct 4, 2019

cargo cult
Aug 28, 2008

by Reene


quote:

Prolific filmmaker Martin Scorsese says Marvel movies are “not cinema” and compares superhero fare to theme parks. Speaking to Empire Magazine ahead of the release of Netflix original movie The Irishman, reuniting him with his Goodfellas and Casino stars Robert De Niro and Joe Pesci, the Taxi Driver and The Departed director was asked about the proliferation of the superhero genre and the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Scorsese then admitted he tried and failed to get into Marvel movies, which he sees as more play pretend than genuine human drama.

“I don’t see them. I tried, you know? But that’s not cinema,” Scorsese told Empire. “Honestly, the closest I can think of them, as well made as they are, with actors doing the best they can under the circumstances, is theme parks. It isn’t the cinema of human beings trying to convey emotional, psychological experiences to another human being.”


https://comicbook.com/category/martin-scorcese/



i saw this posted on a lib/gaming centric space and people were melting down hard as gently caress about how he's "gatekeeping". if u wanna say scorceses traffics exclusively in machismo and violence thats a valid criticism but this is still funny as poo poo

Bro Dad
Mar 26, 2010




im going to keep posting this and you cant stop me

Percelus
Sep 9, 2012

My command, your wish is



Bro Dad posted:

im going to keep posting this and you cant stop me



cap really looks like elon musk in that bottom left panel

Peanut President
Nov 5, 2008





cargo cult posted:

https://comicbook.com/category/martin-scorcese/



i saw this posted on a lib/gaming centric space and people were melting down hard as gently caress about how he's "gatekeeping". if u wanna say scorceses traffics exclusively in machismo and violence thats a valid criticism but this is still funny as poo poo

the fact that people can't see a troll in the year 2019 is incredible to me

"yeah that popular thing? it sucks"

edit: also you missed Feige with his own when people brought up Marvel's never won any awards "Hitchcock never won best director"

cargo cult
Aug 28, 2008

by Reene


people go hard as gently caress defending risk averse mass produced feature length audi commercials brought to you by the evil mouse empire :stare:

HerraS
Apr 15, 2012

Looking professional when committing genocide is essential. This is mostly achieved by using a beret.

Olive drab colour ensures the genocider will remain hidden from his prey until it's too late for them to do anything.





its easier to dedicate your life to some pop culture doodoo than having an actual personality

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

whatever marginal advantage the racial justice protestors gained from being masked was greatly outweighed by the fact that the racial justice protests were larger than the covid protests by a scale or two of magnitude


i was really bummed how in the world war ii story the one guy in the platoon giving him poo poo did it because he hates flying people and not because he was racist

like they didnt need to use the n word but there were plenty of good euphemisms and nobody questioned his backstory of being a marine even though black people couldnt join back then

thatfatkid
Feb 20, 2011
[angry posting noises]


Little shop of horrors is about domestic violence and the cycle of abuse victims find themselves trapped in lol wtf

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

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thatfatkid posted:

Little shop of horrors is about domestic violence and the cycle of abuse victims find themselves trapped in lol wtf

for there to be a cycle of abuse you need a repetition within a relationship, and the domestic abuse plotline pretty much ends when Seymour kills the dentist. Audrey being in an abusive relationship is just an instigating motive for Seymour to become a willing servant to the plant.

thatfatkid
Feb 20, 2011
[angry posting noises]


Pener Kropoopkin posted:

for there to be a cycle of abuse you need a repetition within a relationship, and the domestic abuse plotline pretty much ends when Seymour kills the dentist. Audrey being in an abusive relationship is just an instigating motive for Seymour to become a willing servant to the plant.

Seymour finds himself in an abusive relationship with Audrey 2. Audrey escapes an abusive relationship to get involved with a well meaning Seymour that exposes her to even worse abuse resulting in her death. Seymour seeks out Audrey and Audrey 2 because of his wanting to escape from the dull existence he's found himself living that is his employment for an uncaring boss.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

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thatfatkid posted:

Seymour finds himself in an abusive relationship with Audrey 2. Audrey escapes an abusive relationship to get involved with a well meaning Seymour that exposes her to even worse abuse resulting in her death. Seymour seeks out Audrey and Audrey 2 because of his wanting to escape from the dull existence he's found himself living that is his employment for an uncaring boss.

Those aren't all instances of domestic violence though. Audrey dies because the plant just wants to feast on some human blood, it's not because she escaped the relationship with the Dentist only to fall into another abusive relationship with Seymour. The plant doesn't really abuse Seymour either, their relationship is purely transactional. Seymour does things for the plant because it can deliver on its promises of fulfilling his desires. Having a lovely job with a bad boss and being a miserable klutz also isn't a domestic violence issue.

Fundamentally you've got a story about people who desperately want to fulfill their desires to escape a lovely situation as opposed to improving their environment directly through political action. They're all seeking fulfillments that capitalism has proscribed for them. Seymour wants the trappings of a lifestyle that the Dentist has because deep down all he wants is a romantic relationship with Audrey, Audrey wants the kind of happy domestic life in the suburbs that's sold to her through magazines and catalogues, and Mr. Mushnik just wants to be a successful capitalist plainly and directly. Even when he knows Seymour has killed people, all he really wants is to control Audrey 2 so he can profit off of it.

Capitalist ideology perpetuates itself by convincing the public that it's possible to fulfill their desires by simply buying in to a particular lifestyle, and Audrey 2 is explicitly trying to sell Seymour on all the promises of excessive consumption that could come when it makes the flower store thrive. But simply being able to buy in to a lifestyle isn't a realistic proposition, and even when you've realized your desires within the capitalist framework it's inherently self-destructive. Seymour cultivates the plant to the point that it can fulfill his desires, and once it reaches that point it no longer needs him and destroys everything else in the process.

If it was just a story about domestic violence then you wouldn't have had an ending where the whole country buys into the promises of having their own Audrey 2s, who all end up destroying civilization.

get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007



this reminds me, i need to finish that Lindsay Ellis video about how death of the author is stupid

HerraS posted:

its easier to dedicate your life to some pop culture doodoo than having an actual personality
judging by how many people identify themselves by whatever usually mediocre pop culture they love to consume (9 times out of 10 it's Harry Potter and/or The Office), it sure seems that way

thatfatkid
Feb 20, 2011
[angry posting noises]


Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Those aren't all instances of domestic violence though. Audrey dies because the plant just wants to feast on some human blood, it's not because she escaped the relationship with the Dentist only to fall into another abusive relationship with Seymour. The plant doesn't really abuse Seymour either, their relationship is purely transactional. Seymour does things for the plant because it can deliver on its promises of fulfilling his desires. Having a lovely job with a bad boss and being a miserable klutz also isn't a domestic violence issue.

Fundamentally you've got a story about people who desperately want to fulfill their desires to escape a lovely situation as opposed to improving their environment directly through political action. They're all seeking fulfillments that capitalism has proscribed for them. Seymour wants the trappings of a lifestyle that the Dentist has because deep down all he wants is a romantic relationship with Audrey, Audrey wants the kind of happy domestic life in the suburbs that's sold to her through magazines and catalogues, and Mr. Mushnik just wants to be a successful capitalist plainly and directly. Even when he knows Seymour has killed people, all he really wants is to control Audrey 2 so he can profit off of it.

Capitalist ideology perpetuates itself by convincing the public that it's possible to fulfill their desires by simply buying in to a particular lifestyle, and Audrey 2 is explicitly trying to sell Seymour on all the promises of excessive consumption that could come when it makes the flower store thrive. But simply being able to buy in to a lifestyle isn't a realistic proposition, and even when you've realized your desires within the capitalist framework it's inherently self-destructive. Seymour cultivates the plant to the point that it can fulfill his desires, and once it reaches that point it no longer needs him and destroys everything else in the process.

If it was just a story about domestic violence then you wouldn't have had an ending where the whole country buys into the promises of having their own Audrey 2s, who all end up destroying civilization.

Yeah nah. Each character is defined by their relationship with another more dominant/controlling character. They don't desire more stuff, they want the abuse/exploitation by the other party to stop.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

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thatfatkid posted:

Yeah nah. Each character is defined by their relationship with another more dominant/controlling character. They don't desire more stuff, they want the abuse/exploitation by the other party to stop.

But that's not true. Who's dominating and controlling Mr. Mushnik, or the Dentist, or Audrey 2? Who's dominating and controlling Patrick Martin? The one commonality between all the characters in the cast is their relation to capitalism.

They don't even really want more stuff is the point. What they desire is to escape poverty, or have fulfilling interpersonal relationships. They only think they want more stuff because it's packaged to them as the necessary trappings of a fulfilling lifestyle. Audrey wanting to escape her abusive relationship by moving to the suburbs is an inherent irony that can't be ignored. Suburban life wasn't a liberation for housewives, she's buying into a false promise sold to her by capitalism.

Pener Kropoopkin has issued a correction as of 13:35 on Oct 4, 2019

get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007



BUSH 2112 posted:

so i finally listened to Hamilton and now i'm loving obsessed with it and i'm just wondering how much of a douchebag i am
i know this is from last page, but i stand by the belief i've always had about Hamilton: if it were released in the '90s, it would have been laughed out of the room or considered to be cheesy edutainment nonsense. that's in addition to PoC-washing just how bad of a person the real Hamilton was and the universal love from elites of all industries

Percelus
Sep 9, 2012

My command, your wish is



it is really dumb a guy who killed people and fed them to his plant gets the pollyanna ending, that is almost dexter series finale levels of bad writing

mysterious frankie
Jan 11, 2009

This displeases Dev- ..van. Shut up.


Pener Kropoopkin posted:

But that's not true. Who's dominating and controlling Mr. Mushnik, or the Dentist, or Audrey 2? Who's dominating and controlling Patrick Martin? The one commonality between all the characters in the cast is their relation to capitalism.

They don't even really want more stuff is the point. What they desire is to escape poverty, or have fulfilling interpersonal relationships. They only think they want more stuff because it's packaged to them as the necessary trappings of a fulfilling lifestyle. Audrey wanting to escape her abusive relationship by moving to the suburbs is an inherent irony that can't be ignored. Suburban life wasn't a liberation for housewives, she's buying into a false promise sold to her by capitalism.

This analysis is on point.

Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3
Nov 15, 2003


Percelus posted:

it is really dumb a guy who killed people and fed them to his plant gets the pollyanna ending, that is almost dexter series finale levels of bad writing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RjFvcw6ToQ

Freaking Crumbum
Apr 17, 2003

Too fuck to drunk




Bro Dad posted:

im going to keep posting this and you cant stop me



"YOU MEAN 'BAD GUYS' ARE AN ARBITRARY DISTINCTION MADE BY THOSE IN POWER BASED SOLELY ON THEIR PROFIT MOTIVES?"

lmao cap had literally no problem opposing the registration act (which was a perfectly legal bill adopted by the government) and that served as the inflection point for the entire Civil War series. did the person writing this completely forget that? because they clearly chose to use "hey cap we just busted you out of jail" as their teachable moment, but i feel like "hey cap you started the loving superhero civil war based entirely on your personal morals, so maybe we shouldn't give two fucks how you feel about what we're about to do" is a much more compelling argument.

i also feel like it's significant that (at least on that page) it's three women trying to explain the relevant concepts to him; i wonder if that's a meta-commentary on cap's inherent sexism or just a happy coincidence

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

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Hold on, Papi. Don't you mean three girl bosses?

Freaking Crumbum
Apr 17, 2003

Too fuck to drunk




Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Hold on, Papi. Don't you mean three girl bosses?

is there a widely accepted term that's analogous to blaxploitation but for latinx people? because i feel like there should be

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 12, 2007

by Cyrano4747


Here's the thing about civil war: cap was right

Like at the start they did a good job of playing both sides as having good ideas but uh iron Man literally was disappearing political dissidents into a black site prison in the negative zone

Also lmbo at "it was legal" as an argument against morality like laws can't be inherently unjust and immoral let alone the implementation of those laws

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 12, 2007

by Cyrano4747


Freaking Crumbum posted:

is there a widely accepted term that's analogous to blaxploitation but for latinx people? because i feel like there should be

Mexploitation is the historical term

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

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Freaking Crumbum posted:

is there a widely accepted term that's analogous to blaxploitation but for latinx people? because i feel like there should be

Blaxploitation still involved black people telling the stories about themselves that they wanted to tell. I dunno what you'd call this kind of appropriation for ersatz authenticity.

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

whatever marginal advantage the racial justice protestors gained from being masked was greatly outweighed by the fact that the racial justice protests were larger than the covid protests by a scale or two of magnitude

get that OUT of my face posted:

i know this is from last page, but i stand by the belief i've always had about Hamilton: if it were released in the '90s, it would have been laughed out of the room or considered to be cheesy edutainment nonsense. that's in addition to PoC-washing just how bad of a person the real Hamilton was and the universal love from elites of all industries

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNFf7nMIGnE

listen to the way theyre laughing at him they think the whole thing is a joke im convinced hamilton is one of those andrew lloyd weber situations where nobody had the heart to tell lin manuel miranda that his idea was incredibly stupid

get that OUT of my face posted:

this reminds me, i need to finish that Lindsay Ellis video about how death of the author is stupid

oh that sounds good her video about beauty and the beast was great but i never tried watching anything else she did because youtube kept trying to push me on to her video about how brilliant guardians of the galaxy 2 was and i was just uh lets quit while were ahead here

Freaking Crumbum
Apr 17, 2003

Too fuck to drunk




BENGHAZI 2 posted:

Here's the thing about civil war: cap was right

yeah, i was more referring to his dialogue in the very first panel of the posted image "but the law's the law! if we ignore laws that are inconvenient we're the real monsters!" and it's like steve, you literally ignored an inconvenient law and started a civil war that spiraled off into all kinds of awful new poo poo. when did you suddenly decide "THE LAW IS ABSOLUTE AND I WILL FOLLOW IT TO THE LETTER" was your MO? gently caress i know the civil war story is more than a decade old by now, but i would think that would still be a defining element of his character / backstory that contemporary writers would keep consistent

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 12, 2007

by Cyrano4747


I mean the page itself is at least five years old, here's one from this year

One of the more famous cap stories is the one where he uncovers a conspiracy that isn't Watergate* that leads all the way to the white house and ends with the president who definitely isn't Nixon** blowing his brains out in the oval office

Cap knows we are diseased

Cap wanting to go back to the status quo instead of pushing for us to be better so that the midtakes of the past aren't repeated betrays a fundamental lack of understanding of either cap or reality

*Watergate
**Nixon

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 12, 2007

by Cyrano4747


Also the registration act was more than inconvenient and the guy who punched Hitler being wary about making lists of people is hardly something to slam him for

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 12, 2007

by Cyrano4747


It just got revealed that General Thunderbolt Ross got installed in a position of power by Natasha Badski to get revenge on someone for her husband's death pre civil war

This comic is literally not a joke russiagate and I want to die

Freaking Crumbum
Apr 17, 2003

Too fuck to drunk





jesus god in heaven that's a poo poo-ton of internal monologuing going on here. there's got to be a more effective way for the writer to convey what he wants cap to say without piling up text boxes all over unrelated action scenes. give me three uninterrupted action shots and then "i really like beer" on the fourth any day of the week

Farm Frenzy
Jan 3, 2007



Some Guy TT posted:

oh that sounds good her video about beauty and the beast was great but i never tried watching anything else she did because youtube kept trying to push me on to her video about how brilliant guardians of the galaxy 2 was and i was just uh lets quit while were ahead here
i like her videos but im starting to get worried that ill get brain damage if i absorb too many insightful critiques of lovely disney movies ill never see

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

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Freaking Crumbum posted:

jesus god in heaven that's a poo poo-ton of internal monologuing going on here. there's got to be a more effective way for the writer to convey what he wants cap to say without piling up text boxes all over unrelated action scenes. give me three uninterrupted action shots and then "i really like beer" on the fourth any day of the week

I love it when an action scene is going on and the internal monologue makes me want to kill myself.

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Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

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BENGHAZI 2 posted:

It just got revealed that General Thunderbolt Ross got installed in a position of power by Natasha Badski to get revenge on someone for her husband's death pre civil war

This comic is literally not a joke russiagate and I want to die

Is her husband named Boris Badanof?

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