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Flayer posted:Scotland will qualify if they beat Japan regardless of the Ireland result with the exception that Japan lose and pick up both bonus points so if the match is cancelled the real beneficiaries would be Japan who would then be guaranteed progress. a) need to win and make sure Japan doesn't get a bonus point or b) they need to win and get as least as many bonus points as Japan If Scotland doesn't put 20+ points on Russia, then they additionally would need to win sufficiently high against Japan to get past them.
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What's the tiebreakers if they're tied? Point differential is majorly weighed toward Japan right now but Scotland still has Russia to snack on to make some distance up. They may need to drop 50+ on Russia in order to make the Japan game more plausible. Japan getting the bonus point against Samoa may be a decider after all.
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Oct 7, 2019 13:44
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I just looked it up:quote:The winner of the Match in which the two tied Teams have played each other shall be the higher ranked. The points difference is only important if all three teams end up at 15 pts.
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Oct 7, 2019 14:07
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Assuming Scotland get a 5 point win over Russia If Ireland beat Samoa and get a bonus point then if: Scotland beat Japan and get at least as many bonus points as Japan then Scotland go through on head-to-head over Japan Scotland beat Japan but Japan get more bonus points than Scotland then Japan go through on points in second place behind Ireland (Japan will even win the group in the case of a double bonus point loss) Any win or a draw for Japan sends them through as group winners with Ireland in second place If the Ireland-Samoa match is abandoned as a 0-0 draw then if: Scotland win by any means they go through and Ireland are eliminated Japan wins by any means then Scotland are out A draw puts Japan and Ireland through (even in the case of Scotland getting a bonus point draw as Ireland win on head-to-head) If Ireland beat Samoa but don't get a bonus point then if: Scotland get a bonus point win over Japan but Japan also get a bonus point then it comes down to a score difference as all teams will have 15 points and 1 win and 1 defeat vs the other teams Scotland win and Japan get no bonus points then Japan are eliminated Scotland beat Japan but Japan get more bonus points than Scotland then Scotland are eliminated and Japan win the group A draw eliminates Scotland and Japan go through as group winners Any Japan win and Scotland are out I reckon...
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Oct 7, 2019 15:06
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That's a good effort-post, but here's the problem...Flayer posted:Assuming Scotland get a 5 point win over Russia
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Oct 7, 2019 15:52
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Tyma posted:That's a good effort-post, but here's the problem... I don't think they'll have problem doing that even if it only end up 26-0 or something.
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Oct 7, 2019 17:04
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If Scotland don't put Russia away with 4+ tries, they never deserved to get to the QF anyway. That said, if Scotland want to absolutely poo poo the bed and make Ireland face NZ in the QF, that'd be funny as it sets up the Japan - SA 2015 grudge match.
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Oct 7, 2019 19:00
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Vaders Jester posted:If Scotland don't put Russia away with 4+ tries, they never deserved to get to the QF anyway. This. I don’t anticipate there being an issue with this, but Scotland has an absolute tough Japan side (with momentum and home field advantage) to face in what is essentially an early KO match. If Scotland hasn’t given themselves every possible advantage in the way of pool points then I don’t see them closing the deal. My gut is a Japan Ireland top two. If that is the case, does Japan play SA? My math is bad.
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Oct 7, 2019 19:15
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If Japan top the group, the only way they wouldn't play SA would be if Italy beat NZ So yeah they'd play SA.
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Oct 7, 2019 19:17
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oh no computer posted:If Japan top the group, the only way they wouldn't play SA would be if Italy beat NZ Hell yeah 
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Oct 7, 2019 19:25
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If/when Scotland go out, we'll miss out on Gordon Reid's excellently honest interviews. https://twitter.com/ITVRugby/status/1181219414873645059
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Oct 7, 2019 19:55
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oh no computer posted:If Japan top the group, the only way they wouldn't play SA would be if Italy beat NZ Time for some revenge!
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Oct 7, 2019 20:55
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I remember when Canada used to be good at the rugby. 
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Oct 8, 2019 01:21
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Furnaceface posted:I remember when Canada used to be good at the rugby. Two world cups ago they were actually fun to watch. That was mostly due to their beards though
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Furnaceface posted:I remember when Canada used to be good at the rugby. Squidge did a good video looking at it, but it comes down to glorified beancounters with little knowledge or passion for the game being put in charge of the sport, looking to cut corners and pinching the pennies so hard that QEII screams. I think the backroom staff of the Canadian national team, which is a barebones effort if there ever was one, best exemplifies it: Kingsley Jones - Head Coach Henry Paul - Assistant Coach Alana Gattinger - Team Manager Michael Deasy - Strength and Conditioning Mallory White - Physiotherapist And that's all that's listed on their website. Compare that to a team that currently occupies the space they did back in the mid-90s~2005 (the year Canada last registered a win against a Tier 1 team. In this case, it was Argentina, touring in Canada): Japan (this, once again, is what's listed on their website) Yuichiro Fuji - High Performance Director Jamie Joseph - Head Coach Tony Brown - Attack Coach Scott Hansen - Defence Coach Shin Hasegawa - Scrum Coach Simon Jones - Stregth and Conditioning coach Chihiro Ota - Strength and Conditioning coach David Galbraith - Mental Coach Sohei Takamori - Team Doctor Karl McDonald - Performance Coordinator Hidenori Izawa - Physiotherapist Junnosuke Aono - Trainer Shumpei Hamano - Analyst Andrew Watts - Analyst Takashi Toda - Analyst Hedenori Sato - Interpreter Takenori Omura - Team Manager Yumiko Sasabayashi - Assistant (not sure whom she's assistant to, but I assume it's Omura) Randle Yamamuro - Baggage Master Hiroyuki Yabuki - Media Manager Or Ireland, who were the most recent non-NZ team to be ranked no. 1 in the World Rugby rankings Joe Schmidt - Head Coach Paul Dean - Team Manager Simon Easterby - Forwards Coach Andy Farrell - Defence Coach Greg Feek - Scrum Coach Richie Murphy - Kicking Coach Jason Cowman - Strength and Conditioning Coach Mervyn Murphy - Technical Analyst Ciaran Cosgrave - Team Doctor Ruth Wood-Martin - IRFU Performance Nutritionist Keith Fox - Physiotherapist Colm Fuller - Physiotherapist David Revins - Masseur Willy Bennett - Masseur John Moran - Kit and Logistic Coordinator Vinny Hammond - High Performance Analyst David O'Siochain - Media and Communications Officer Gerard Carmody - Head of Operations Sinead Bennett - Team Services There are also significant structural issues to the game in Canada, which has meant that they've struggled (and failed) to retain a huge bulk of their age group players. End result is that the Canadian team has to rely on the odd individual that is able to break through to Europe or Super Rugby (DTH van der Merwe, Matt Tierney and Tyler Ardron in the current squad). The recent plus though, is that a sizeable portion of their team now play professionally in the USA-based Major League Rugby, which has included a Canada-based team, the Toronto Arrows. Vagabundo fucked around with this message at 06:04 on Oct 8, 2019 |
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Oct 8, 2019 05:50
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The fact that Japan has a "Mental Coach" and Ireland has two masseuses is probably why Japan beat them.
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Oct 8, 2019 06:10
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Making Kingsley Jones your head coach has to be the worst move. The man actively made the Dragons worse and nobody thought that was possible at the time.
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Oct 8, 2019 07:23
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Wish I was a Baggage Master, sounds like a cool job.
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Oct 8, 2019 08:49
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Charles 2 of Spain posted:Wish I was a Baggage Master, sounds like a cool job. Physical baggage or emotional baggage?
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Oct 8, 2019 08:52
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France realised their world cup campaign was going too well so far: https://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/r...xing-of-captain
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Oct 8, 2019 10:34
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South Africa are not feeling merciful
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Oct 8, 2019 10:36
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It's now 33-0 after 20 minutes. They could get three figure here.
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Oct 8, 2019 10:39
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What’s the quickest hat trick ever?
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Oct 8, 2019 10:41
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This is brutal to watch. Not sure if South Africa will even ease off considering there next game is 11 days away.
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Oct 8, 2019 10:42
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BabyFur Denny posted:France realised their world cup campaign was going too well so far: https://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/r...xing-of-captain Not surprising, to be honest. They've been quite inconsistent within the games themselves - often starting strong but then fading after 20 to 30 minutes, before switching back on near the end. I guess this means they're finally going to win a title, after a 4th go at winning a final.
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Oct 8, 2019 10:49
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What's the record score at a RWC, still NZ versus Japan by 150 odd? Could be beaten today.
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Oct 8, 2019 10:52
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Well that's Canada well and truly hosed then.
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Oct 8, 2019 11:00
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Well if they weren’t hosed before.... Edit: as soon as he went in I thought that’s going to be him off
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HappyCamperGL posted:What's the record score at a RWC, still NZ versus Japan by 150 odd? Could be beaten today. Isn't it Australia 142-0 over Namibia? Luckily, having coached the Dragons, Jones will know what to say to Canada here. It's not going to be good and will not help in any way whatsoever, but he will know what to say.
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Oct 8, 2019 11:08
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The only possible Canadian response here is a 99 call
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Oct 8, 2019 11:09
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Firing their coach mid tourney is just the French way of powering up. The player are behind Guirado so it seems madness to go with Poirot as captain. Camille Chat put is a great shift against Tonga but the french scrum was just much much better after Guirado came on.
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Oct 8, 2019 11:11
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Craig Doyle: "Kingsley Jones has managed some huge teams" Me, checking Wikipedia: "Hmmm.... Doncaster, Sale, Russia, London Welsh, Dragons, Canada"
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bessantj posted:Making Kingsley Jones your head coach has to be the worst move. The man actively made the Dragons worse and nobody thought that was possible at the time. Say what you like about Kingsley Jones but.....I've got nothing, just say what you like.
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stavros880 posted:Craig Doyle: "Kingsley Jones has managed some huge teams" He did do well with Sale.
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Canada fightback starts here.
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Oct 8, 2019 11:27
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Canada have at least come out fired up for the second half, and that's a nice try.
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Oct 8, 2019 11:28
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Nice sympathy call from the ref there.
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Oct 8, 2019 11:29
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oh no computer posted:This but.........unironically??? My rugby thread posting career will not survive this.
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bessantj posted:Isn't it Australia 142-0 over Namibia? That's the biggest winning margin. The highest score is still the 145 posted by the All Blacks against Japan back in 1995.
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