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Slimy Hog
Apr 22, 2008



killer crane posted:

retention laws are a thing for a lot of industries, especially ones where lawsuits and fraud are common. they likely are required to retain physical documents for a few years, and digital documents for a decade.

Let me re-word my question then:

Why go through them by hand if they're digitized and accessible from more than just what ever back room the box is stored in

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BonHair
Apr 28, 2007

Welcome to the machine

Toph Bei Fong posted:

Used to be, you could hire a "clipping service" to send you a copy every time a particular topic was mentioned in the newspaper. You'd have hundreds of people per firm employed in reading every major newspaper in the country and literally cutting out the article to mail to you if it mentioned your name/your business/your industry/your product/your research topic/etc. This later expanded to transcribing or sending recordings of radio and TV broadcasts.

Basically Google Alerts, but done by hand.

In Denmark (much less volume for machine learning), we still have people doing this work, although heavily assisted by algorithms. My friend does it occasionally on an hourly basis, and I have enjoyed reading about my workplace in the news

On the other hand, we have functional digital infrastructure. I and my wife have worked in various government agencies, and all filing is electronic, with no obligation to keep physical copies. Same thing when we bought a house earlier this year, I only saw the seller's real estate agent when he showed us the house, everything else was digital. I have never physically met my real estate(s) or my bank person, and I haven't sent physical mail either.
We did have to show up and sign the contract when we got married, but it didn't honestly seen necessary.

killer crane
Dec 30, 2006


most work can be done through use of digital copies, but legally some work legally requires accessing paper. i think ops point was just that 99% of the time they paper will never be seen again, but the digital document is likely accessed often.

BonHair
Apr 28, 2007

Welcome to the machine

Slimy Hog posted:

Let me re-word my question then:

Why go through them by hand if they're digitized and accessible from more than just what ever back room the box is stored in

Digitised copies are usually filed by the guy who did the actual work, not the filing clerks. This means that unless that guy knows that he will need the file again soon, he will stick it somewhere stupid with a file name like "document 5737 v4.5", and it will have been done too late for the date to be much help.

I took the mandatory course in the new electronic filing system at a previous employer along with an older colleague. She rightly noted that with everyone filing their own poo poo, no one could find anything, unlike back when the filing clerks handled it.

Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat



Grimey Drawer

How TiVo handles commercial skipping is a weird throwback labor wise. People watch the most popular shows and manually mark where the commercials begin and end. That allows users to hit a skip button and bypass those ads. This is different from fast forwarding commercials or skipping ahead 30 seconds at a time. Since thereís a limited number of shows that their employees can watch, the service isnít available for everything on TV.

Maybe theyíve found a way to automate it, but for the first couple of years it was all done by hand, like grandpa used to do with the VCR, pausing at every commercial break.

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012



There's a firefox addon called sponsor block that does the same. If you see a youtuber starting an ad spiel you click the button and then again when their ad ends. Then it's uploaded and it'll auto skip for anyone else using the add on.

Imagined
Feb 2, 2007


Slimy Hog posted:

Let me re-word my question then:

Why go through them by hand if they're digitized and accessible from more than just what ever back room the box is stored in

Because you don't have someone around to do QA on every scan of every single page of every single file, so -- along with the retention law -- you do a quick scan, throw it in a database, and you usually refer to it if there's a question. However, you still have the hardcopy for 3-7 years (depending on the type of document and retention law) in case there's a problem with the scan, or you need the hard copy for a legal purpose.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:

In South Philly they stopped street sweeping because people very very much didn't want to move their cars. However, there's lots and lots of trash everywhere. So they've been experimenting with a labor intensive street sweeping operation with crews using leaf blowers to clean the streets around the parked cars.

I though towing away the uncompliant cars for extra revenue from parking fines was a feature of street cleaning

Slimy Hog
Apr 22, 2008



Thanks for all the answers to my dumb questions! I thought this was the stupid/small questions thread.

Melicious
Nov 18, 2005
Ugh, stop licking my hand, you horse's ass!

Slimy Hog posted:

If anyone wants to see a real-life elevator operator you should check out this bookstore on Michigan Ave in Chicago. Looking at Google maps, it may have been The Dial, but the name doesn't ring a bell.

The Fine Arts Building. Lots of different shops in there (including The Dial), and yep, still all manual elevators. In non-Covid times, Iím there quite a lot. Thereís a certain charm to those elevators and their operators that truly is unmatched in the modern era. Automatic elevators donít whip you around like these can.

https://www.chicagomag.com/city-life/january-2018/the-last-manual-elevator/

VideoGameVet
May 14, 2005

It is by caffeine alone I set my bike in motion. It is by the juice of Java that pedaling acquires speed, the teeth acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my bike in motion.

The family business was parking garages in Manhattan and at my Dadís the elevator was manual (build in the 1930ís).

The garage is still there (was there in 2009) and I donít think they upgraded the elevators.

Ugly In The Morning
Jul 1, 2010

So pat yourself on the back and give yourself a handshake
'Cause everything is not yet lost




Pillbug

Imagined posted:

Because you don't have someone around to do QA on every scan of every single page of every single file, so -- along with the retention law -- you do a quick scan, throw it in a database, and you usually refer to it if there's a question. However, you still have the hardcopy for 3-7 years (depending on the type of document and retention law) in case there's a problem with the scan, or you need the hard copy for a legal purpose.

I helped with the document control for the end of a power plant construction project and it was a nightmare. There are things that they were cool with not having paper copies for because of low risk of needing it later (job hazard analyses for work that didnít have any incidents or injuries, for example) but all of that had to be catalogued meticulously in case a workers comp case or lawsuit popped up. So each one was scanned individually, with the project name and JHA number as the file name. It was so god drat boring and took so god drat long.

Imagined
Feb 2, 2007


Yeah the stuff I was working on was not that detailed or critical, a little more serious but on the level of applications for fishing licenses. But yes, scanning and filling is absolutely still the worst and most tedious bullshit. We used to have temps whose only job was to scan and file poo poo for us, but the higher ups discovered that if they fired all the temps and didn't listen to us, they saved money and the result was the same for them. It's free real estate!

AmbassadorofSodomy
Dec 30, 2016

SUCK A MALE CAMEL'S DICK WITH MIRACLE WHIP!!


Sears employee.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012



Krispy Wafer posted:

How TiVo handles commercial skipping is a weird throwback labor wise. People watch the most popular shows and manually mark where the commercials begin and end. That allows users to hit a skip button and bypass those ads. This is different from fast forwarding commercials or skipping ahead 30 seconds at a time. Since thereís a limited number of shows that their employees can watch, the service isnít available for everything on TV.

Maybe theyíve found a way to automate it, but for the first couple of years it was all done by hand, like grandpa used to do with the VCR, pausing at every commercial break.

Pornhub has better automation than TiVo. They know where the good parts are because thatís where viewers skip to.

kaschei
Oct 25, 2005



Platystemon posted:

Pornhub has better automation than TiVo. They know where the good parts are because thatís where viewers skip to.
Itís actually where people stop watching

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 11, 2012

This particularly rapid unintelligible patter isn't generally heard, and if it is, it doesn't matter.





DACK FAYDEN posted:

These are back in style, weirdly enough - a vocal subset of (mostly old and wealthy) patients hate when doctors go "talk to you, look at computer" and would prefer talk to the doctor, have the doctor look at them while they talk back, and have insurance pay for a separate loving amanuensis like it's 1300 to type all the poo poo into Epic or whatever other EMR is being used.
I just saw an ophthalmologist (fortunately everything was fine) and she used dictation because it's hard to take notes when you have one eye glued to the retinascope or whatever it's called.

jkk
Nov 27, 2002



Toph Bei Fong posted:

Used to be, you could hire a "clipping service" to send you a copy every time a particular topic was mentioned in the newspaper. You'd have hundreds of people per firm employed in reading every major newspaper in the country and literally cutting out the article to mail to you if it mentioned your name/your business/your industry/your product/your research topic/etc. This later expanded to transcribing or sending recordings of radio and TV broadcasts.

Basically Google Alerts, but done by hand.

I work in a media monitoring agency! We still provide a clipping service, but nowadays we mostly work with PDF versions of newspapers that are read with our in-house search engine. We then write summaries of the relevant material for clients and in some cases we are able to provide a link to the PDF/online article.

The clipping service is getting less and less popular every year.

Also I just quit that job because we keep losing clients to cheaper competitors and there's no opportunities for career advancement

Tears In A Vial
Jan 13, 2008



jkk posted:

I work in a media monitoring agency! We still provide a clipping service, but nowadays we mostly work with PDF versions of newspapers that are read with our in-house search engine. We then write summaries of the relevant material for clients and in some cases we are able to provide a link to the PDF/online article.

The clipping service is getting less and less popular every year.

Also I just quit that job because we keep losing clients to cheaper competitors and there's no opportunities for career advancement

Did we work together? The first letter of my company is a K?

jkk
Nov 27, 2002



Tears In A Vial posted:

Did we work together? The first letter of my company is a K?

Nah, mine is M

Alterian
Jan 28, 2003



When my mom was pregnant with me she worked behind the watch counter at Kmart. Selling, setting, and replacing watch batteries. Kmart paid for my mom's medical benefits. She didn't have to pay for anything out of pocket. In fact, her entire pregnancy and birth of me was 100% covered. My dad was a full time college student that worked part time. They didn't have financial support from any other family members and were able to live fine.

To a modern audience, the preceding paragraph would be confusing and seem fictional.

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?

Alterian posted:

When my mom was pregnant with me she worked behind the watch counter at Kmart. Selling, setting, and replacing watch batteries. Kmart paid for my mom's medical benefits. She didn't have to pay for anything out of pocket. In fact, her entire pregnancy and birth of me was 100% covered. My dad was a full time college student that worked part time. They didn't have financial support from any other family members and were able to live fine.

To a modern audience, the preceding paragraph would be confusing and seem fictional.

I mean, not everywhere.

BonHair
Apr 28, 2007

Welcome to the machine

Arsenic Lupin posted:

I just saw an ophthalmologist (fortunately everything was fine) and she used dictation because it's hard to take notes when you have one eye glued to the retinascope or whatever it's called.

Getting off topic, but this is a thing in growth actually. Get (especially health professionals) to dictate poo poo and then get a algorithm to transcribe it. I know people who work on the algorithms and apparently it's good enough for actual practical application without much proofreading.

Of course, in the old days, the algorithm would just be a person, but those are expensive use a non-tech budget.

packetmantis
Feb 26, 2013

oh ar


Most of my mom's coworkers at her medical transcription company lost their jobs because of The Algorithm, which does a much worse job than an actual human.

Jaguars!
Jul 31, 2012




Navvying was still a thing in living memory. Guys who just hand dug for a living, who would turn up and spend 3 days putting a service trench down your street at the correct grade and place (hopefully) because it was still cheaper than buying an excavator. Generally one guy would break the ground with a pick while another guy followed doing the shovel work.

It'd shrunk from the original navigations (canals), railways and bulk digging to smaller work that old, large diggers couldn't do but now mini-excavators can do all but the most awkward digging.

Ugly In The Morning
Jul 1, 2010

So pat yourself on the back and give yourself a handshake
'Cause everything is not yet lost




Pillbug

Jaguars! posted:

Navvying was still a thing in living memory. Guys who just hand dug for a living, who would turn up and spend 3 days putting a service trench down your street at the correct grade and place (hopefully) because it was still cheaper than buying an excavator. Generally one guy would break the ground with a pick while another guy followed doing the shovel work.

It'd shrunk from the original navigations (canals), railways and bulk digging to smaller work that old, large diggers couldn't do but now mini-excavators can do all but the most awkward digging.

You used to see people asking some lazy high schooler if they just wanted to dig ditches the rest of their life, I wonder what the current equivalent is.

Imagined
Feb 2, 2007


Ugly In The Morning posted:

I wonder what the current equivalent is.

"Wanna flip burgers?"

Even that's outdated, though. Too steady. If I wanted to scare my kid, I'd threaten him with gig economy poo poo. "You want to grow up and do Postmates?"


I've done Postmates

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012



Ugly In The Morning posted:

You used to see people asking some lazy high schooler if they just wanted to dig ditches the rest of their life, I wonder what the current equivalent is.

Probably still digging ditches because the people who say stuff like that are hopelessly out of touch.

Bucnasti
Aug 14, 2012

Listen to him, men. He's just crazy enough to do it!


Do modern audiences have any idea what the French Foreign Legion is?
There used to be lots of movies about Legionaries, and it would pop up in cartoons and commercials, but I can't think of any mainstream references to it in decades.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2mEJ4RpeuI

AmbassadorofSodomy
Dec 30, 2016

SUCK A MALE CAMEL'S DICK WITH MIRACLE WHIP!!


Ugly In The Morning posted:

You used to see people asking some lazy high schooler if they just wanted to dig ditches the rest of their life, I wonder what the current equivalent is.

Driller is probably what the current one is.

Funny enough, my Grandmother, who came of age during the depression always told me "do good in school or you'll become a ditch digger".

Welp, I was a slacker in school. Now I'm a driller and thats lovely work kinda like being a ditch digger I guess.

poo poo grandma, you were right......

The Lone Badger
Sep 24, 2007



I thought drilling was hard unpleasant work but you got paid a lot? Because every minute of operation lost costs the company a shitload so they're willing to pay big bucks to get experienced reliable workers who won't gently caress it up.

Cemetry Gator
Apr 3, 2007

Do you find something comical about my appearance when I'm driving my automobile?


Where do these people think their precious ditches come from? Why you gotta insult the man who digs it. Maybe he really digs digging ditches. Frankly, I'd ditch anyone who thought that was a bad job.

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012



Bucnasti posted:

Do modern audiences have any idea what the French Foreign Legion is?
There used to be lots of movies about Legionaries, and it would pop up in cartoons and commercials, but I can't think of any mainstream references to it in decades.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2mEJ4RpeuI

I think people still get the reference, but modern society lets you drop through the cracks a lot easier than having to join a French Army Unit so people don't think of it often, that's my explanation for it.

packetmantis
Feb 26, 2013

oh ar


I only know about the FFL because of Discworld.

Ugly In The Morning
Jul 1, 2010

So pat yourself on the back and give yourself a handshake
'Cause everything is not yet lost




Pillbug

There was a really loving good A/T thread about it like ten years ago from a goon who had joined it.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012



The French Foreign Legion is like your uncle who went to prison and has some good stories, but you donít talk with him much.

AmbassadorofSodomy
Dec 30, 2016

SUCK A MALE CAMEL'S DICK WITH MIRACLE WHIP!!


The Lone Badger posted:

I thought drilling was hard unpleasant work but you got paid a lot? Because every minute of operation lost costs the company a shitload so they're willing to pay big bucks to get experienced reliable workers who won't gently caress it up.

I get paid not badly, and its not oil work, which is probably harder and pays better.

But theres a lot of bullshit involved too. And some of the guys that I work with are in fact reliable, but also gently caress ups.

Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat



Grimey Drawer

Gaius Marius posted:

I think people still get the reference, but modern society lets you drop through the cracks a lot easier than having to join a French Army Unit so people don't think of it often, that's my explanation for it.

I was under the impression it was a lot harder to drop through the cracks nowadays.

Anyway, I always thought the FFL was a holdover from colonial France. No colonial France, less reason to hear about the FFL.

FreudianSlippers
Apr 12, 2010

Shooting and Fucking
are the same thing!



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Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012



Krispy Wafer posted:

.

Anyway, I always thought the FFL was a holdover from colonial France. No colonial France, less reason to hear about the FFL.

Colonial france never went away. Go lookup some of the poo poo they still pull in former french africa.

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