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peanut-
Feb 17, 2004


Fun Shoe

Well that’s the Vuelta over then. Good race.

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wooger
Apr 16, 2005

YOU RESENT?

Watched the highlights, why did Pidcock finish with a leisurely roll over the line after sprinting the first 500 metres?

Told to lift off for some reason?

Loving Africa Chaps
Dec 3, 2007


We had not left it yet, but when I would wake in the night, I would lie, listening, homesick for it already.



wooger posted:

Watched the highlights, why did Pidcock finish with a leisurely roll over the line after sprinting the first 500 metres?

Told to lift off for some reason?

Ineos domestiques aren't supposed to try in TT's

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

YOU RESENT?

Loving Africa Chaps posted:

Ineos domestiques aren't supposed to try in TT's

Yeah maybe, but what’s the harm? The lead rider losing face?

wooger fucked around with this message at 07:42 on Aug 15, 2021

HappyCamperGL
May 18, 2014



wooger posted:

Yeah maybe, but what’s the harm? The lead rider losing face?

Wastes energy.

TobinHatesYou
Aug 14, 2007

wacky cycling inflatable
tube man


wooger posted:

Yeah maybe, but what’s the harm? The lead rider losing face?

Pros will train up to ~150 CTL in the month(s) leading to grand tours, then quickly taper in order to avoid starting with a negative TSB value. By the end of a grand tour, they will be closer to 200 CTL with a TSB of -75 or worse. They literally have no extra fitness or form to waste.

A week of a grand tour can be north of 1800 TSS, aka >257 TSS per day.

My absolute peak in one week of training was 1540 TSS on ~29 hours of riding. It took me 6 months of a steady ramp to do that without hurting myself.

goatface
Dec 5, 2007

I had a video of that when I was about 6.

I remember it being shit.




Grimey Drawer

Please introduce your TLAs when you first use them, TIA.

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

YOU RESENT?

TobinHatesYou posted:

Pros will train up to ~150 CTL in the month(s) leading to grand tours, then quickly taper in order to avoid starting with a negative TSB value. By the end of a grand tour, they will be closer to 200 CTL with a TSB of -75 or worse. They literally have no extra fitness or form to waste.

A week of a grand tour can be north of 1800 TSS, aka >257 TSS per day.

My absolute peak in one week of training was 1540 TSS on ~29 hours of riding. It took me 6 months of a steady ramp to do that without hurting myself.

Sorry, what do those acronyms mean?
I get the concept of saving his effort, but it seems pointless to include a top level athlete like Pidcock and not allow him to even try in a hilly time trial.

I guess I don’t see the appeal to Pidcock of going from being a world / Olympic champion in one discipline, to labouring as effectively a cycling butler for someone else who may or may not be as talented.
Just a matter of earning his stripes on the road first?

carborexic
Nov 9, 2008



According to Pidcock himself he was simply out of racing condition: https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/tom-pidcock-comes-through-horrible-vuelta-a-espana-opener/

HappyCamperGL
May 18, 2014



better and more established riders than pidcock (kwiatkowski, poels, dennis,...) have ridden in support of the gc at sky. they know what they sign up for and they get their chances in elsewhere in classics or whatever.

peanut-
Feb 17, 2004


Fun Shoe

This is his first grand tour, he’s just there to learn to what it’s like and how you survive it.

MrL_JaKiri
Sep 23, 2003

A bracing glass of carrot juice!


wooger posted:

I guess I don’t see the appeal to Pidcock of going from being a world / Olympic champion in one discipline, to labouring as effectively a cycling butler for someone else who may or may not be as talented.

Bernal is a better stage racer than Pidcock. He's already won the Tour and Pidcock is talking about maybe being able to go in 2 years.

I mean, it's very likely that Carapaz - the reigning Olympic champion in road racing, not MTB - is going to be a domestique for Bernal by the end.

TobinHatesYou
Aug 14, 2007

wacky cycling inflatable
tube man


wooger posted:

Sorry, what do those acronyms mean?

TSS = training stress score. The number goes up based on intensity and duration. 100 TSS is equivalent to an all-out 60min effort. It is possible to do more than 100 TSS in 60min if your normalized power is greater than your average power.

CTL = chronic training load. It is the 42-day moving average of your daily TSS.

ATL = acute training load. It is the 7-day moving average of your daily TSS.

TSB = training stress balance. It is simply CTL minus ATL.


To put this into relative terms, the average weekend warrior probably had a CTL in the low double digits. Someone who trains 10 hours a week will probably be somewhere between 50-85 CTL depending on how intense their efforts. >100 CTL is highly trained and ~150 CTL is peaking for grand tour or ironman status.

Smirr
Jun 28, 2012



Astana are gunning for the red jersey from bonus seconds at the intermediate sprint :clint:

HappyCamperGL
May 18, 2014



Chute.

Smirr
Jun 28, 2012



RIP, all of Bora

goatface
Dec 5, 2007

I had a video of that when I was about 6.

I remember it being shit.




Grimey Drawer

Yeah, looks like at least half of them wanting attention.

Smirr
Jun 28, 2012



I think Jakobsen had that (:toot:)

goatface
Dec 5, 2007

I had a video of that when I was about 6.

I remember it being shit.




Grimey Drawer

Well that last km was a mess

Smirr
Jun 28, 2012



goatface posted:

Well that last km was a mess

Yeah, it was nasty. And looks like Philipsen after all

MrL_JaKiri
Sep 23, 2003

A bracing glass of carrot juice!


Good for my fantasy team, bad for what I want to actually happen

LoudPipesSaveLives
Apr 30, 2007

Make a shit-load of noise, not war.



Love to see Matthews beaten on the line again.

BlankSystemDaemon
Mar 13, 2009

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Up up and away!

Smol
Jun 1, 2011

Stat rosa pristina nomine, nomina nuda tenemus.

I guess they’re letting the breakaway win today.

BlankSystemDaemon
Mar 13, 2009

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The fog has fallen with a particularly sickening thud.

Skarsnik
Oct 21, 2008

I...AM...RUUUDE!






Quite steep

peanut-
Feb 17, 2004


Fun Shoe

Northern Spain is full of roads that seem to have been built for no reason other than sadism.

Komet
Apr 4, 2003



LETS GO JOE

peanut-
Feb 17, 2004


Fun Shoe

Carapaz dropped, Valverde starts hammering the pace.

Skarsnik
Oct 21, 2008

I...AM...RUUUDE!






loving lol that valverde can still go for it on a mountain like this

peanut-
Feb 17, 2004


Fun Shoe

Even funnier that Mas tried to get some time at the end and was chased down by Lopez. Movistar remain the best.

Angryhead
Apr 4, 2009

Don't call my name
Don't call my name
Alejandro




Fallen Rib

Oh poo poo my boy Taaramäe 🇪🇪

Smirr
Jun 28, 2012



Angryhead posted:

Oh poo poo my boy Taaramäe 🇪🇪

:yeah:

MrL_JaKiri
Sep 23, 2003

A bracing glass of carrot juice!


Richie 'Paz also has a 20" time penalty for illegal feeding, so this has not gone well so far for him

Skarsnik
Oct 21, 2008

I...AM...RUUUDE!






ripchard

serious gaylord
Sep 16, 2007

what.


peanut- posted:

Even funnier that Mas tried to get some time at the end and was chased down by Lopez. Movistar remain the best.

Im glad Movistar are back to their best.

Withnail
Feb 11, 2004


JoDo managed to be down three minutes after a prologue and a sprint stage. checks out

HappyCamperGL
May 18, 2014



Red Jersey crash.

MrL_JaKiri
Sep 23, 2003

A bracing glass of carrot juice!


HappyCamperGL posted:

Red Jersey crash.

Minor, inside the last 3k

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MrL_JaKiri
Sep 23, 2003

A bracing glass of carrot juice!


YAYYYYY

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