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I like a TTT but including one in the Tour would just blow up the GC chances for anyone outside maybe the 5 biggest teams (or realistically, anyone except Jumbo as long as Wout is like this). Who is actually at the Vuelta? Seems like Bernal is a no, Roglic is probably a no with two fractured vertebrae. I really doubt Pog will turn up. Is it just the Remco show?
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Jul 25, 2022 08:44
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goatface posted:That would be hard in a three week grand tour. Nah, 100KM time trial at the end of week one. 150km team time trial at the end of week 2. Both flat. That’ll gently caress-up the climby men.
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Peggotty posted:I can't find odds for the Vuelta on any of the betting sites so it looks like the bookmakers have no idea either. The teams don’t even know 100% who’s gonna be riding, seems pointless to bet now. peanut- posted:I like a TTT but including one in the Tour would just blow up the GC chances for anyone outside maybe the 5 biggest teams (or realistically, anyone except Jumbo as long as Wout is like this). Yeah there’s so much competition from small/poor teams for GC right now isn’t there, be terrible to lose that… A TTT and longer TTs are essential to actually impact the climby men and differentiate the categories a bit more.
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A long time trial and a TTT are not equivalent, they would have a totally different impact on the race. A TTT is just going to guarantee whatever climber gets to sit behind WvA or Ganna will win the overall. Which may be the same outcome as we currently have, but it makes it even more certain. That said, the Tour is already being won by dominant time trialists. Unless the goal is to design a bizarre parcours specifically for Wout to win yellow I don't see what throwing long flat TTs in would really achieve. What would change about this years Tour if it had a 100km flat TT? Vingegaard might have come third behind Pogacar and Thomas instead.
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Smirr posted:Stage 5 of the TDFF is 175 km long, which made me do a double take because that's by far the longest women's race (not just stage) I've ever seen. And sure enough, it's above the upper limit for WWT races (160 km, same as for Olympic and WC races). Yeah, I've mixed feelings about the TdFF, because while this is better than they've had before, it's still a long way away from a full tour. The fact that WWT races have that limit is shameful IMO. Unless something has changed since I last looked, most of the research pointed to women performing as well as, or better than the men over long distances. Any physiological differences tend to act over shorter efforts. It'd be nice to have a full length tour for the women, especially since as a younger sport with greener teams there's much more opportunity for upsets and combativity. I get that money is an issue for the teams but the men's take could be subsidising it.
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Jul 25, 2022 10:12
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wooger posted:Nah, 100KM time trial at the end of week one. Agreed, Quintana, Gaudu, Pinot and Bardet have had it too easy - extend that gap to the podium (all of whom can TT very well)
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StarkingBarfish posted:Yeah, I've mixed feelings about the TdFF, because while this is better than they've had before, it's still a long way away from a full tour. The fact that WWT races have that limit is shameful IMO. Unless something has changed since I last looked, most of the research pointed to women performing as well as, or better than the men over long distances. Any physiological differences tend to act over shorter efforts. It'd be nice to have a full length tour for the women, especially since as a younger sport with greener teams there's much more opportunity for upsets and combativity. I get that money is an issue for the teams but the men's take could be subsidising it. Wrong lol
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Hegay posted:Wrong lol Care to elaborate? e: Not to put the onus on you to prove my half-assed opinion on it wrong, just not sure if you mean the research indicates otherwise or if you just reckon a full tour for the women is a dumb idea StarkingBarfish fucked around with this message at 10:55 on Jul 25, 2022 |
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StarkingBarfish posted:Yeah, I've mixed feelings about the TdFF, because while this is better than they've had before, it's still a long way away from a full tour. The fact that WWT races have that limit is shameful IMO. Unless something has changed since I last looked, most of the research pointed to women performing as well as, or better than the men over long distances. Any physiological differences tend to act over shorter efforts. It'd be nice to have a full length tour for the women, especially since as a younger sport with greener teams there's much more opportunity for upsets and combativity. I get that money is an issue for the teams but the men's take could be subsidising it. It’s a big loss leader to help women’s sport in the long run. The money from the mens side is already subsidising it. The sponsors and organisers and especially the teams are prepared to go this far, but a 3 week tour is not worth it to them at present. The name will help, maybe, but being up against the Women’s Euros won’t help - how much sport can people be bothered with watching on TV when it’s warm outside? See what the tv audiences do, but with the Women’s Giro having the worst possible scheduling and the TdFF being scheduled just after people have binged on the TdF for 3 weeks, hard to see a breakthrough. The week before the TdF would be the best scheduling imo.
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wooger posted:It’s a big loss leader to help women’s sport in the long run. The money from the mens side is already subsidising it. Oh for sure, I don't doubt it's spendy but I also wonder how much of that is a catch 22, if it's not on the air or relegated to weird timeslots it's not getting eyes on the sponsors. The Women's Euros this year are really well covered at least in the UK. It felt a bit like a turning point. I'd love it if the same happened to the Women's tour.
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At one point the organizers hated the GC impacts that TTTs had so much that they had a special rule that as long as you finished within the time cut, you couldn't lose more than 2 minutes of GC on it or something. The only people who like TTTs are bike companies because they get a lot of photo ops for ads.
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Jul 25, 2022 14:16
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Brutal crash there.
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Feels Villeneuve posted:At one point the organizers hated the GC impacts that TTTs had so much that they had a special rule that as long as you finished within the time cut, you couldn't lose more than 2 minutes of GC on it or something. I love TTTs because I love chaos OP
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These ladies are gone. Super strong
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Man, this race is hosed to hell and back
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Jul 25, 2022 15:03
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TTT covering a full transition stage.
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Jul 25, 2022 15:07
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Peloton has given up on this
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Jul 25, 2022 15:12
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I wonder if we'll see some prime cyclist brain from that front group. Apparently people are already starting to lean on Trek, lol
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I guess Balsamo bonked her way almost all the way back to Group Ludwig
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The CN live updates just informed me that there's an FDJ rider named Evita Music.
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croiky https://twitter.com/canalbiciglifos/status/1551568852986765319?s=21&t=mosC9q4f4SFcHDigA4sv1g
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paddyboat posted:croiky Oof
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paddyboat posted:croiky Did her brakes fail or something? Just rode into everyone full speed
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paddyboat posted:croiky me on a group ride with my 80s bike with old Campagnolo Record rim brakes
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Loving Africa Chaps posted:Did her brakes fail or something? Just rode into everyone full speed There's a shot from behind that shows that she was leading a chase group just behind the main group when the crash happened - being charitable she was just head down full aero tunnel vision
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goatface posted:That mark she leaves on the road looks painful. I’m hoping that’s a gel packet or something
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I have decided…that wout is cool
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Parkhotel has a nice jersey. Canyon SRAM also looks surprisingly good in motion.
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Haha the Cofidis rider trying to get away passed like she was standing still by Kopecky
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crashes are the one way for cycling to get on TV here so they should crash more imo. hopefully involving something stupid like a lady with a cardboard sign
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Feels Villeneuve posted:crashes are the one way for cycling to get on TV here so they should crash more imo. hopefully involving something stupid like a lady with a cardboard sign The photographer at the top of the last climb almost took that role.
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