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Doomykins
Jun 28, 2008

Didn't you mean to ask about flowers?
This isn't the first time I've read Wen-Tack but once again I'm angry that Zebus and Georgia are non-canon because they are wonderful shining stars.

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Chef Bourgeoisie
Oct 8, 2016

by Reene
Bloom County
June 28th & 29th, 1981

Haifisch
Nov 12, 2010

Objection! I object! That was... objectionable!



Taco Defender
Pregnancy and childbirth are horrifying processes and people should be more aware/mindful of that than they are. AGC.

How Wonderful! posted:

Dykes to Watch Out For (1987)


Part two of the very special AIDS episode. Not the funniest strips Bechdel has ever done but I totally get why she did them. Here's another:



The Second National March on Washington for Lesbian and Rights took place on October 11, 1987-- hey, one day before I turned one. It was primarily centered around two tentpole issues-- the Reagan administration's woeful neglect of the AIDS crisis (the march was one of the first big national public forums for ACT UP) and the Supreme Court's upholding of antiquated and homophobic anti-sodomy laws in Bowers v. Hardwick. Anywhere from 200,000 to 750,000 people showed up for the march, and it was, famously, the impetus for a huge blossoming of local lgbtq+ activist groups in the late 80s.

Here are some pics just for context and fun:




Thanks for posting these, btw! :)

How Wonderful!
Jul 18, 2006


I only have excellent ideas

Haifisch posted:

Thanks for posting these, btw! :)

No problem, I love that DtWOF gives me an excuse to yammer on about queer history as much as it does!

My Lovely Horse
Aug 21, 2010

Attention Luann's parents: you ostensibly own and operate a combined cafe/art space, put up a notice and you'll have a tenant before you close for the day.

Yvonmukluk
Oct 10, 2012

Everything is Sinister


Doomykins posted:

This isn't the first time I've read Wen-Tack but once again I'm angry that Zebus and Georgia are non-canon because they are wonderful shining stars.

My headcanon is that they are, even if the actual story itself is expunged. I demand their inclusion in Wicked Things, John Allison! :colbert:

Evil Mastermind
Apr 28, 2008

Woo fallin' behind on my comics again!

The Dinette Set treats its possessions well.


Working Daze is an old image with a new caption, I'm pretty sure.


Super-Fun-Pak Comix is born every minute.


Cul De Sac is halfway to being a bad political cartoon.

PetraCore
Jul 20, 2017

👁️🔥👁️👁️👁️BE NOT👄AFRAID👁️👁️👁️🔥👁️

How Wonderful! posted:

No problem, I love that DtWOF gives me an excuse to yammer on about queer history as much as it does!
I feel like I'm learning my own history! I'm in a lot of queer spaces but they skew younger (~30 or younger) so there's a ton of this stuff I'm not as aware of as I feel like I should be.

Angular Cyrus
May 29, 2007

everything is so much harder than it looks
King Aroo 11/19/53


They'll Do It Every Time 11/11/46


Mopsy 11/20/42

ukonvasara
Aug 16, 2012

a mixture of gravity and waggery

Who? Oh, you mean your brother Leon who writes the Pickles comic strip based on you. I was confused for a minute after only having had it explained in full every day for the entire previous week.

rannum
Nov 3, 2012

Doomykins posted:

This isn't the first time I've read Wen-Tack but once again I'm angry that Zebus and Georgia are non-canon because they are wonderful shining stars.

Bring them back, alison

BigglesSWE
Dec 2, 2014

Alhazred posted:

I think Norway as a society tends to be a bit obnoxious when it comes to christianity. A lot of our fairy tales for example portrays priests as dumb and corrupt.

I think it goes beyond religion though. A lot of Nemi and Zelda strips in particular seems to be oriented around beating down on strawmen characters that only show up to be stereotypically awful, and then never seen again. I mean, the politics in the strips themselves are sympathetic enough, but it gets a bit asinine after a while. I find Nemi in particular to be ripe with it, although I haven't really read that comment in a long time.

Pondus had for a loooong time some rather homophobic streaks, but I think he's toned down that stuff a bit. Considering the way he portrays conservative movements in general, I've taken it more of a "macho manly man scared of gay" rather than genuine hate. But what do I know.

BigglesSWE fucked around with this message at 23:14 on Apr 9, 2020

How Wonderful!
Jul 18, 2006


I only have excellent ideas

PetraCore posted:

I feel like I'm learning my own history! I'm in a lot of queer spaces but they skew younger (~30 or younger) so there's a ton of this stuff I'm not as aware of as I feel like I should be.

I'm in that age group too but I've been really fortunate to work in a city with a really rich queer history and in a department with a poo poo ton of queer mentors, as well as the opportunity to work on this stuff. Before quarantine I'd walk by the site of Dewey's sit-in several times a week and every time I felt profoundly moved by just that proximity to history.

Mercedes Colomar
Nov 1, 2008

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

How Wonderful! posted:

Dykes to Watch Out For (1987)

The Second National March on Washington for Lesbian and Rights took place on October 11, 1987-- hey, one day before I turned one.

Oh hey, I was...almost 7 months old then. Neat.

Evil Mastermind
Apr 28, 2008

The Dinette Set is just screwed.


Working Daze is a whole lot of nothing.


Super-Fun-Pak Comix doesn't see what's so funny.


Cul De Sac goes with what works.

Parahexavoctal
Oct 10, 2004

I AM NOT BEING PAID TO CORRECT OTHER PEOPLE'S POSTS! DONKEY!!

Lodin posted:

Oh poo poo, that's Barbapappa, a famous Swedish childrens book and cartoon character. Netflix actually has it in Scandinavia.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbapapa posted:


Barbapapa is a 1970 children's picture book by the French-American couple Annette Tison and Talus Taylor, who lived in Paris, France. Barbapapa is both the title character and the name of his "species". The book was the first of a series of children's books originally written in French and later translated into over 30 languages.[1]

("barbe ŕ papa" is French for "cotton candy" - or, literally, "daddy's beard")

you broke my grill
Jul 11, 2019

wow I bet Gary Larson got some letters for that shroud of turin joke

Evil Mastermind
Apr 28, 2008

The Dinette Set hears the call to action.


Working Daze S O C I A L D I S T A N C I N G


Super-Fun-Pak Comix utilizes reverse psychology.


Cul De Sac is cursed by its own hubris.

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



you broke my grill posted:

wow I bet Gary Larson got some letters for that shroud of turin joke
well maybe they should clean the shroud every now and then

Parahexavoctal
Oct 10, 2004

I AM NOT BEING PAID TO CORRECT OTHER PEOPLE'S POSTS! DONKEY!!

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FrumpleOrz
Feb 12, 2014

Perhaps you have not been to the *Playground*.
The *Playground* is for Taalo and for Orz, but *Campers* can go.
It more fun than several.
You can go there for too much fun.
The Lockhorns


Brewster Rockit Space Guy


On The Fastrack


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Kevin & Kell


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Hagar The Horrible


Sherman's Lagoon

Medenmath
Jan 18, 2003

EBB posted:

Thank you so much for posting old Valiant. I had no idea how much Hal Foster had influenced media I've been consuming my entire life.



I'm glad people are enjoying it! It's true, Hal Foster's work seems to have influenced a lot of other artists.


I'm so glad to see that The Far Side is every bit as funny as I remember it.

Vintage Valiant (Sep. 04, 1938)

Somebody fucked around with this message at 01:02 on Jul 25, 2022

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

Cheer Up Boss Dharma



Julet Esqu
May 6, 2007




Evil Mastermind posted:

Cul De Sac goes with what works.


One subtle thing that I like about Cul De Sac, especially compared to the parenting techniques on display in so many other strips, is the active avoidance of putting a label on a four-year-old. Alice is often a handful, yes, but she is also a small child who doesn't understand how the world works, how people work, how she herself works. Her moods and desires are ever changeable. So her mother does not call her grabby. She says Alice is being grabby. I have seen this pretty consistently in Cul-De-Sac. Alice is being grumpy today. She is being sad. She is being greedy. But these are her current moods; they are not who she IS. It's never directly pointed out, but it's nice. In an artform where younger people including children are constantly poo poo on, I like it.

Lodin
Jul 31, 2003

by Fluffdaddy

BigglesSWE posted:

Pondus had for a loooong time some rather homophobic streaks, but I think he's toned down that stuff a bit. Considering the way he portrays conservative movements in general, I've taken it more of a "macho manly man scared of gay" rather than genuine hate. But what do I know.
The real shame about Řverli is that his art used to be so much drat better. Deep poo poo Junkies and Pyton were god drat treasures even with all the racism, homophobia and rear end humour.



Oh and I found two covers for the thread. Pyton started in Norway because the creators were fed up with censorship from the people publishing Norwegian Mad Magazine.





E: Here's a racist one. Sorry about that.

Lodin fucked around with this message at 04:09 on Apr 10, 2020

JethroMcB
Jan 23, 2004

We're normal now.
We love your family.

Lodin posted:

Pyton started in Norway because the creators were fed up with censorship from the people publishing Norwegian Mad Magazine.

E: Here's a racist one. Sorry about that.

Yeah, goddamn those MAD Magazine types for not letting Alfred E. Newman beat a black man to death on the cover of their magazine

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



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Bogor 1975


Samovar
Jun 4, 2011

When I want to relax, I read an essay by Engels. When I want something more serious, I read Corto Maltese.


Far Side = Good.

Queer history from DtWoF = double plus good.

As to the Norwegian comics so far in this thread; yeah, there'sa kind of... sneering superiority around them? That's why out of all of them I 'like' Zelda the most because the titular character is scum as well.

Anyway, with that thoroughly unwelcome and pointless critique out the way, in today's Corto Maltese: Now we know why this position is getting hammered as it is, or Frankly Corto? In your shoes I would hope I could remain as cold towards Enver Pasha as you do, or Enver Pasha prepares for the end



Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




Zelda

amigolupus
Aug 25, 2017

Julet Esqu posted:

One subtle thing that I like about Cul De Sac, especially compared to the parenting techniques on display in so many other strips, is the active avoidance of putting a label on a four-year-old. Alice is often a handful, yes, but she is also a small child who doesn't understand how the world works, how people work, how she herself works. Her moods and desires are ever changeable. So her mother does not call her grabby. She says Alice is being grabby. I have seen this pretty consistently in Cul-De-Sac. Alice is being grumpy today. She is being sad. She is being greedy. But these are her current moods; they are not who she IS. It's never directly pointed out, but it's nice. In an artform where younger people including children are constantly poo poo on, I like it.

This is a good post, and helps explain why I'm liking Cul De Sac so much. There's a lot of thought and care put into how the parents treat Alice and her brother.


gently caress you, Dethany. Maybe instead of saying that the other guy's lazy, blame your lovely company for having a high turnover rate and piling the work other people used to do on you and your co-workers.

fondue
Jul 14, 2002

Would anyone take offense if I started sharing Kliban? He's got a daily spot in GoComics apparently. Kliban's work was the inspiration for The Far Side.

Most people are familiar with his 80s cat comics


However he got his start in Playboy magazine. His art ranged from brilliant to offensive to just plain dumb, being that GoComics is hosting them I'm sure at worst it's going to be PG stuff.


I won't post any of the NWS stuff, but here's a sample. (Warning, Nudity)


Some of his NWS stuff is misogynistic and offensive but if you want to see it it's easily found all over the internet.

Shaman Tank Spec
Dec 26, 2003

*blep*




She doesn't, but the guy who brought her and a hundred others to your country with stories of good medical care, safety and security only to turn around and tell them that they owe tens of thousands of euros for their passage, and if they don't pay they'll get their organs harvested and a bullet into their head and all their families' heads might. There's a whole bunch of evidence of organized crime basically running human trafficking rings and forcing their victims to work as slaves, and it's a really loving hard thing because naturally we want to help those with nothing, but it's impossible to know if the money is actually going to help someone in need, or to line the pockets of some criminals.

For more info, for instance: https://ec.europa.eu/anti-trafficking/means-acts-purpose/forced-begging_en

But yeah, keep being a smug shithead about it.

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




Der Shovel posted:

She doesn't, but the guy who brought her and a hundred others to your country with stories of good medical care, safety and security only to turn around and tell them that they owe tens of thousands of euros for their passage, and if they don't pay they'll get their organs harvested and a bullet into their head and all their families' heads might. There's a whole bunch of evidence of organized crime basically running human trafficking rings and forcing their victims to work as slaves, and it's a really loving hard thing because naturally we want to help those with nothing, but it's impossible to know if the money is actually going to help someone in need, or to line the pockets of some criminals.

For more info, for instance: https://ec.europa.eu/anti-trafficking/means-acts-purpose/forced-begging_en

But yeah, keep being a smug shithead about it.

There's also evidence that beggars in Scandinavia are not part of organized crime: https://www.thelocal.se/20150617/nordic-roma-beggars-not-run-by-crime-groups
Those reports also seems to focus on child begging which is practical non-existent in Scandinavia.

Alhazred fucked around with this message at 09:59 on Apr 10, 2020

MariusLecter
Sep 5, 2009

NI MUERTE NI MIEDO
I think Zelda was being sarcastic with that last line?

Shaman Tank Spec
Dec 26, 2003

*blep*



MariusLecter posted:

I think Zelda was being sarcastic with that last line?

Well yes obviously but in the "yeah I'm sure this person is super rich and not actually in need of my money", which might not be true. They obviously are very poor and in need of money, but they money you give to them might not be going to them.

Alhazred posted:

There's also evidence that beggars in Scandinavia are not part of organized crime: https://www.thelocal.se/20150617/nordic-roma-beggars-not-run-by-crime-groups

Some of them definitely are.

https://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=2054&artikel=7118096
https://www.refworld.org/docid/5b3e0a6ca.html
https://migri.fi/en/article/-/asset_publisher/suomessa-paljastuu-myos-kerjaamaan-pakottamista-ja-pakkoavioliittoja
https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/migri_record_number_of_human_trafficking_victims_in_finland/11158273

And that's what makes it difficult: how do you, as someone who wants to help your fellow man, tell the difference?

Shaman Tank Spec fucked around with this message at 10:41 on Apr 10, 2020

amigolupus
Aug 25, 2017


One thing I notice is that despite coming from a wealthy family, Cesar seems to be wearing a pretty tattered coat. Is he one of those lovely people who dresses up in homeless chic?

Green Intern
Dec 29, 2008

Loon, Crazy and Laughable

I can’t believe how upset I am that the villains in Kevin and Kell are trying to hang someone by putting a noose loose loop of rope around their head backwards.

Lodin
Jul 31, 2003

by Fluffdaddy

amigolupus posted:

One thing I notice is that despite coming from a wealthy family, Cesar seems to be wearing a pretty tattered coat. Is he one of those lovely people who dresses up in homeless chic?
Cesar is a hipster scumbag that plays at being a suffering bohem artist.

JethroMcB posted:

Yeah, goddamn those MAD Magazine types for not letting Alfred E. Newman beat a black man to death on the cover of their magazine

Nah, the rebellion mostly started because they couldn't draw ladies with bare tiddies.
It might be worth mentioning that most of the content in the magazine was from the American version. Stuff like Spy vs. Spy and Sergio Aragones worked well obviously. Also the movie parodies from Mort Drucker (RIP) were easy to translate. The problem appeared when you had a two-pager with jokes about politicians that weren't the President. That didn't work because people here didn't know who those people were. That's when they would print Norwegian originals instead.

Oh and funny story, for the first issue of Pyton they had a big upside down drawing of Alfred E. Newman on the backside. The people at stores would mess up when stocking and put the comics with that side out and people would inadvertently be buying the first issue of the comic.
The American publisher threatened to sue them for copyright infringement.

Lodin fucked around with this message at 11:32 on Apr 10, 2020

Mercedes Colomar
Nov 1, 2008

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Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011





It seems from that sources that you're more likely to support human trafficking by eating out than giving money to beggars. One of your sources even say:
However, in the assessment of the assistance system, begging is not always related to exploitation in Finland. Most of the activity may be exactly what it seems: begging to make a living. The assistance system nevertheless notes that the possibility of exploitation and human trafficking exists in nearly all fields, including begging. Some people may be in a worse position than others. In fact, the subject should not be reduced to an extremely polarised either–or discussion.

Like, restaurants and agriculture are riddled with exploitation. But you never hear that you should stop buying berries or eating at restaurants because they're a scam run by the mafia.

Alhazred fucked around with this message at 13:12 on Apr 10, 2020

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