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goatface
Dec 5, 2007

I had a video of that when I was about 6.

I remember it being shit.


Grimey Drawer
He-Man and She-Ra: The middle age years.

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Cowslips Warren
Oct 29, 2005

What use had they for tricks and cunning, living in the enemy's warren and paying his price?

Grimey Drawer

goatface posted:

He-Man and She-Ra: The middle age years.

Game of Thrones style?

Pigsfeet on Rye
Oct 22, 2008

No thanks to Lizzo..


Zebus and Kellys' parents are like Prince Valiant and Queen Aleta as translated through millennium punk sensibilities
ed: or a young Brigitte Nielsen

Pigsfeet on Rye fucked around with this message at 00:42 on Apr 11, 2020

How Wonderful!
Jul 18, 2006


I only have excellent ideas
Dykes to Watch Out For (1987)


I think Zelda chat makes me feel a bit reflective of this strip, where all of our main characters, who we're used to seeing in a well-off bohemian urban center, come across as real assholes when put out of that environment. I think Bechdel is really good at showing that her characters, especially Mo, can be narrow-minded, petty, or judgmental without making reading about them into a chore. The line about being astonished to find meat in a bowl of chili cracks me up because I know so many people (and past versions of myself) that could have said it with a straight face.

Anyway-- Hojo's is a nickname for Howard Johnson's, not, as I initially assumed in a sleep-deprivation haze, a grotesque FFVII-themed chain. But no-- Howard Johnson's was a restaurant/hotel chain that was once extremely widespread and successful and cultivated a kind of home-style, anodyne, Middle-American air. By 87 it was in decline, most of its restaurants having been converted to Bob's Big Boys (a chain I remember fondly from when I was really young). Definitely the kind of joint Bechdel's characters would believably turn their noses up at.

Heritage USA is a little more interesting and horrifying. It was an Evangelical water-park/resort in South Carolina owned by the infamous televangelists Tammy and Jim Bakker, two of the sleaziest figures in a tremendously sleazy milieu. While Heritage USA was for awhile the third most successful theme park in the US, it tail-spinned in the late 80s as Jim Bakker's was entangled in financial scandals and rape charges, then it was acquired by Jerry Falwell of all people, and THEN in 1989 a hurricane finally came along and hosed it up. It closed later that year. So we can presume that Mo and co. weren't spending a lot of time hanging out there.

One thing that's interesting about this particular strip is the interplay between the fairly consistent motif of Mo getting frustrated at getting misgendered for her short hair and androgynous build, and the gang's snap judgment of the gay cowboys. I think in this case Bechdel definitely knew what she was doing, but I want to keep instances of this tension in mind when we get to some of the trans stuff that hasn't aged super well.

Medenmath
Jan 18, 2003
Vintage Valiant (Sep. 11, 1938)

Chef Bourgeoisie
Oct 8, 2016

by Reene
Bloom County
June 30th & July 1st, 1981

StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

In the spirit of Dykes and queer history, here's another piece:

https://twitter.com/Kamunt/status/1248693603679035394

Angular Cyrus
May 29, 2007

everything is so much harder than it looks
King Aroo 11/20/53


They'll Do It Every Time 11/12/46


Mopsy 11/21/42

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

The classical Freudian anal sadistic character in its purest form.

More shameless product placement

sweeperbravo posted:

She's gonna eat the whole pizza jimbo :heysexy:


this used to be a feeder fetish comic

used to be?

Zereth
Jul 8, 2003



Yeah.

fun hater
May 24, 2009

its a neat trick, but you can only do it once

Chef Bourgeoisie posted:

Bloom County
June 30th & July 1st, 1981


lol thanks for posting these, i havent read these since i would obsessively read my mom's copy of the omnibus as a 10 year old and i only understood like 30% of the jokes. these are great and bring back good memories.

Cowslips Warren
Oct 29, 2005

What use had they for tricks and cunning, living in the enemy's warren and paying his price?

Grimey Drawer
I actually rather enjoy Zelda, please keep posting it.

It does sadden me to realize the DtWoF author is so anti-trans. IIRC there's a young character that comes in later, a MTF preteen. Her mom hooks up with Lois in the end, or at least where I stopped reading at.

I more remember Toni and Clarice breaking up, and Toni meeting another woman, and both of them freaking out over what her son, and the other woman's daughter, would think about them getting together so fast. Cue panel of the kids snarking at each other as to who would move in with who, because whatever kid had to move into the new house would get guest rights and be spoiled so much more.

Green Intern
Dec 29, 2008

Loon, Crazy and Laughable

Medenmath posted:

Vintage Valiant (Sep. 11, 1938)



I was just thinking how hosed it is that Ilene just kinda kicks the bucket. Then I realized that before Val left Thagnar’s ship he deliberately cut their sails and broke some other bits on the way out. So, uh, good job Val. You sure did it.

How Wonderful!
Jul 18, 2006


I only have excellent ideas

Cowslips Warren posted:

I actually rather enjoy Zelda, please keep posting it.

It does sadden me to realize the DtWoF author is so anti-trans. IIRC there's a young character that comes in later, a MTF preteen. Her mom hooks up with Lois in the end, or at least where I stopped reading at.

I more remember Toni and Clarice breaking up, and Toni meeting another woman, and both of them freaking out over what her son, and the other woman's daughter, would think about them getting together so fast. Cue panel of the kids snarking at each other as to who would move in with who, because whatever kid had to move into the new house would get guest rights and be spoiled so much more.

I haven't read the more recent strips but from what I understand second-hand it's not that Bechdel is a dyed-in-the-wool tooth-gnashing TERF so much as that she started from very antiquated notions about trans identity and was slow to catch up, which like, I'm sympathetic to because that's the journey of most cis queer theorists I read and admire from before a certain date. If it ever gets really really bad in the strip I'll consider dropping it or skipping stuff but for right now I like DtWoF enough and find it a rich enough artifact of a particular moment in queer culture that I'm planning on sticking with it as long as possible.

Samovar
Jun 4, 2011

When I want to relax, I read an essay by Engels. When I want something more serious, I read Corto Maltese.


Oh she caught up? Well, that's a drat sight better than a lot of other folk. I'd honestly actually be interested in seeing that journey.

Anyways, onto today's Corto Maltese: Enver Pasha gives his last order, or this is less impressive with only one person, I must confess, or The Armenian Revolutionary Army are not paying for their own ammunition



Tiggum
Oct 23, 2007

Your life and your quest end here.



:golfclap:

How Wonderful!
Jul 18, 2006


I only have excellent ideas

Samovar posted:

Oh she caught up? Well, that's a drat sight better than a lot of other folk. I'd honestly actually be interested in seeing that journey.

From what I remember through the mid-late 90s its not always handled super elegantly but is in general approached from benign naivety. She puts a number of second-wave-era transphobic talking points in Mo's mouth but usually just in order to deflate them.
There's a 1995 strip for example that got some circulation in which Mo is anxious about using a bathroom at the same time as a trans acquaintance, Jillian, but when some teen gives Mo poo poo about her androgynous look Jillian has her back and Mo feels embarrassed about being judgmental:

It's not subtle and it's pretty didactic but it's pleasant enough. Ditto the Jonas subplot is pretty awkwardly handled but in general I think Bechdel's intention is to ultimately celebrate the character's transition.

I think one of the issues here is that it's usually Mo who is the mouthpiece for transphobia in these strips, the "main character" of the comic and the one closest physically to Bechdel's own self-portraits, and so it's hard for some readers without a grasp on the dynamics of the comic to separate her views from Bechdel's. But these strips are also very consistently precisely about Mo getting dunked on for being a small-minded jerk.

Strontium
Aug 28, 2009

Dexter didn't much care for the party.
Daddy Daze


Take It From the Tinkersons


random Dark Side of the Horse


Fort Knox

Chef Bourgeoisie
Oct 8, 2016

by Reene

fun hater posted:

lol thanks for posting these, i havent read these since i would obsessively read my mom's copy of the omnibus as a 10 year old and i only understood like 30% of the jokes. these are great and bring back good memories.

I thoroughly enjoy posting these, I also grew up on Bloom County (to the point I have an Opus plushie) thanks to my mom.
It's interesting how many people in here like/liked Bloom County as I know no one in real life (other than my mom, duh) that read it.

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

Cowslips Warren posted:

It does sadden me to realize the DtWoF author is so anti-trans. IIRC there's a young character that comes in later, a MTF preteen. Her mom hooks up with Lois in the end, or at least where I stopped reading at.

I more remember Toni and Clarice breaking up, and Toni meeting another woman, and both of them freaking out over what her son, and the other woman's daughter, would think about them getting together so fast. Cue panel of the kids snarking at each other as to who would move in with who, because whatever kid had to move into the new house would get guest rights and be spoiled so much more.

If you were reading them in this thread that actually was pretty much the exact place the strip stopped. I had a much more reliable source for the later years but Bechdel had also pretty much stopped updating in a regular manner by that point so plotlines would blaze by way, way faster than they did in the earlier years. Which is, admittedly, better than the alternative.

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




Zelda



M

Mercedes Colomar
Nov 1, 2008

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
That'd be a pescatarian, girl in Zelda.

I'm still enjoying DtWOF, How Wonderful. And your informative posts. I vaguely remember staying at, one Howard Johnson, once? In like the early 90s? Maybe?

Family Circus


Rose is Rose


One Big Happy


Foob


Compu-Toon


Bizarro

Mikl
Nov 8, 2009

Vote shit sandwich or the shit sandwich gets it!
Thirding the "I'm enjoying DtWOF" sentiment. And I'm also enjoying learning about queer history, even though it's not my country it's about.

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

StrixNebulosa posted:

In the spirit of Dykes and queer history, here's another piece:

https://twitter.com/Kamunt/status/1248693603679035394

I'm curious what the original context was here. I'm guessing racism because that seems like a safe bet for the era.

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




Nenonen posted:

I'm curious what the original context was here. I'm guessing racism because that seems like a safe bet for the era.

Especially since it's drawn by Thomas Nast, the man who depicted catholics as ravenous alligators:

Tiggum
Oct 23, 2007

Your life and your quest end here.



So instead of doing anything to stop Michael calling his sisters names, she's just suggesting that Elizabeth retaliate in kind?

Kennel
May 1, 2008

BAWWW-UNH!

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



Nenonen posted:

I'm curious what the original context was here. I'm guessing racism because that seems like a safe bet for the era.
the original is a protest against the 1880 constitution of california. the spectre of death that is communism was a recurring motif in several of nast's political cartoons.



i just noticed the 'deadheadism' band on his hat, which is a weird kind of synchronicity with the 'free love' pin, and the counter-culture almost a century later that would give rise to the 'deadheads'.





Ghostlight fucked around with this message at 09:08 on Apr 11, 2020

Kennel
May 1, 2008

BAWWW-UNH!
Surgeon's Tales


:honk:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEF5wxL1IiU

Nancy



Dustin


Mandrake


Redneck

Kennel fucked around with this message at 09:16 on Apr 11, 2020

goatface
Dec 5, 2007

I had a video of that when I was about 6.

I remember it being shit.


Grimey Drawer
Such angry little dinosaurs.

fondue
Jul 14, 2002

B Kliban - I recently subbed to /r/FuckImOld and it's funny to see people nostalgic for things I hated as a youth. Someone recently was nostalgic for steel soda cans. I remember the pull tabs being everywhere including hidden in the lawn grass ready to slash your feet open. I also remember the kitchen have needle-nose pliers because every once in a while the pull tab ring would break before you got your soda open and you either got it out with the pliers or had to punch holes in it with a triangular can opener and drink out of a glass like a loser.

you broke my grill
Jul 11, 2019

fondue posted:

B Kliban - I recently subbed to /r/FuckImOld and it's funny to see people nostalgic for things I hated as a youth. Someone recently was nostalgic for steel soda cans. I remember the pull tabs being everywhere including hidden in the lawn grass ready to slash your feet open. I also remember the kitchen have needle-nose pliers because every once in a while the pull tab ring would break before you got your soda open and you either got it out with the pliers or had to punch holes in it with a triangular can opener and drink out of a glass like a loser.


amigolupus
Aug 25, 2017


I'm curious how Jan and a couple of goons armed with bows think they have any way of threatening a wizard like Mandrake. :allears:

Tiggum posted:

So instead of doing anything to stop Michael calling his sisters names, she's just suggesting that Elizabeth retaliate in kind?

The way Lynn thinks siblings treat each other really gets to me. She tries to do that trope where siblings annoy each other a lot, but Michael crosses the line a lot while Elizabeth never really does anything to warrant her brother being such a huge dick to her.

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

Cheer Up Boss Dharma



LazyQ
Feb 22, 2011

Mämmilä

gleebster
Dec 16, 2006

Only a howler
Pillbug
There's no fooling Mrs Dharma.

Anyway, in Juliet Jones, we learn that J Jonah Jackson has never heard of Kelly Services.

Professor Wayne
Aug 27, 2008

So, Harvey, what became of the giant penny?

They actually let him keep it.


Pickles


Zits

Somebody fucked around with this message at 01:04 on Jul 25, 2022

EBB
Feb 15, 2005

be joyful, punch a cop :cabot:

Parahexavoctal
Oct 10, 2004

I AM NOT BEING PAID TO CORRECT OTHER PEOPLE'S POSTS! DONKEY!!


Hmm. Calvin's dad wearing a striped shirt like the one Calvin always wore... wonder if that's meaningful?

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Julet Esqu
May 6, 2007




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