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Angular Cyrus
May 29, 2007

everything is so much harder than it looks
Mark Trail '47 1/2–4




Mark Trail '94 5/9–11


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amigolupus
Aug 25, 2017


After being sucked into hell and basically not-existing in everyone's memories for 5+ years, it's really nice to see Erin back and having a nice sibling moment with Shelley again.


Linton could have just phoned it in, but no, he actually put a lot of heart and soul into his speech there, bless him. :allears:

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013
Probation
Can't post for 9 hours!

Angular Cyrus posted:

Mark Trail '94 5/9–11


uuuugh. Jim Davis.

Medenmath
Jan 18, 2003
Vintage Valiant (Oct. 23, 1938)

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

How Wonderful! posted:

At this point the Essential is still for the most part just skipping over one strip at a time, although as we'll see it begins to get more frequent (tomorrow is #28, Sunday will be #30). I would love to have a more consistent source for these, especially in the later 90s and aughts when the book begins to skip around like crazy.

My old Dykes to Watch Out For posts may not have been consistent at all but it's entirely possible they have some comics that yours don't because they were incompletely sourced from now defunct websites that had, in theory, a complete archive. I was under the impression at the time that the reason for all the skipping you describe was because Bechdel had become less consistent in her publishing schedule during that time period. I don't remember exactly when I did them though- 2013 maybe? If you're willing to dig around my question marked posts in the archived threads I imagine the imgur links I used are still active. A lot of them were really small, though, and should probably be resized in order to be made readable.

Cheer Up Boss Dharma





The weather has gotten really nice lately for whatever it's worth. Late March was brutally cold.

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



How Wonderful!
Jul 18, 2006


I only have excellent ideas

Some Guy TT posted:

My old Dykes to Watch Out For posts may not have been consistent at all but it's entirely possible they have some comics that yours don't because they were incompletely sourced from now defunct websites that had, in theory, a complete archive. I was under the impression at the time that the reason for all the skipping you describe was because Bechdel had become less consistent in her publishing schedule during that time period. I don't remember exactly when I did them though- 2013 maybe? If you're willing to dig around my question marked posts in the archived threads I imagine the imgur links I used are still active. A lot of them were really small, though, and should probably be resized in order to be made readable.

Thanks, I'll take a look. I might also take this as an opportunity to try to track down used copies of the old Firebrand Books editions, which also have the bonus "novellas" in the back. I swear to god I'm going to tear my apartment apart trying to find The Indelible Dykes to Watch Out For which has a lot of neat commentary as well as strips from the old calendars and stuff.

Gatto Grigio
Feb 9, 2020

1940s Mark Trail is kind of a revelation. Like it’s the first time I’m reading it where the characters interact with each other and the environment like actual human beings instead of stiff plastic robots.

Bruceski
Aug 21, 2007

Live, laugh, kupo!

I might be remembering a different strip, is Mark Trail the one where the original artist died or retired and the new guy just traces old strips any time he can get away with it?

Hwurmp
May 20, 2005

"the one"

StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

Bruceski posted:

I might be remembering a different strip, is Mark Trail the one where the original artist died or retired and the new guy just traces old strips any time he can get away with it?

That's basically every older strip now. Garfield's creator isn't dead but it sure is traced - no not even that, they just paste in stock garfields and speech bubbles.

But yeah Mark Trail is really bad at the tracing, you can see the new art style is... interesting now that he's been called out on how bad his tracing is

FrumpleOrz
Feb 12, 2014

Perhaps you have not been to the *Playground*.
The *Playground* is for Taalo and for Orz, but *Campers* can go.
It more fun than several.
You can go there for too much fun.
The Lockhorns


Brewster Rockit Space Guy


On The Fastrack


Safe Havens Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck you.


Kevin & Kell


Mother Goose & Grimm How topical.


Hagar The Horrible I love the animal drawings here, especially the mouse in the second panel.


Sherman's Lagoon

Mister Olympus
Oct 31, 2011

Buzzard, Who Steals From Dead Bodies

FrumpleOrz posted:

Safe Havens Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck you.



I had to google this one and I'm still confused

coronatae
Oct 14, 2012

Mister Olympus posted:

I had to google this one and I'm still confused

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2017/01/20/gwyneth-paltrows-goop-is-selling-jade-eggs-for-your-vagina/

Presumably she wants to sell moonrock eggs

StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

FrumpleOrz posted:

On The Fastrack


online check-ins three times a day sounds, ugh. Do they not trust their employees? I mean obviously not but just

gently caress

JethroMcB
Jan 23, 2004

We're normal now.
We love your family.

FrumpleOrz posted:

On The Fastrack


"Check-ins 3 times a day" isn't an "employee resource," it's management breathing down your neck. I've been working from home for the last 5 weeks, we have a standing department Zoom meeting once a week and otherwise my boss only emails when something needs immediate attention. They trust that I'm working, and I'm able to deliver actionable results when needed. It's a healthy working relationship.

Holbrook continues to demonstrate that he's a shithead, he should be hated, gently caress him.

quote:

Safe Havens Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck you.


Exhibit B.

Mister Olympus
Oct 31, 2011

Buzzard, Who Steals From Dead Bodies

yeah but

holbrook why

curtadams
Mar 24, 2019

How Wonderful! posted:

Thanks, I'll take a look. I might also take this as an opportunity to try to track down used copies of the old Firebrand Books editions, which also have the bonus "novellas" in the back. I swear to god I'm going to tear my apartment apart trying to find The Indelible Dykes to Watch Out For which has a lot of neat commentary as well as strips from the old calendars and stuff.

I've got most of the Firebrand Books. I didn't get Dykes and Sundry Carbon-Based Lifeforms to Look Out For and I can't find my copy of Dykes to Watch Out For: The Sequel The rest are scattered around my room as your posts have inspired me to re-read them. I could scan some - what would be a good format?

The cover of this particular Firebrand has a throwaway joke I really liked: Mo is washing her clothes with a biodegradable soap called "Dinge!" Which is another joke that probably isn't funny anymore, because laundry detergents have enzymes now and the biodegradable ones can be quite good. But at the time they were awful. I had a roommate once who insisted on a biodegradable dish soap, which apparently was a growth medium for fungi, because after just a few days a new dish sponge would just reek.

Strontium
Aug 28, 2009

Dexter didn't much care for the party.
Daddy Daze


Take It From the Tinkersons


Dark Side of the Horse


Fort Knox

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



Bruceski posted:

I might be remembering a different strip, is Mark Trail the one where the original artist died or retired and the new guy just traces old strips any time he can get away with it?
Now, I'm not one to defend old Jam Esallen but reportedly he was working on the strip for several years as an understudy before taking over, and one of the primary things he would have been doing is learning how to mimic Jack el Rod's style. At the time of handover Jam had already been the strip's artist for quite a while.
I'm not going to say Jam is a bad artist because honestly if it were my job to spend years practising and mimicking the idiosyncrasies of an artist who at that point was both definitely on a physical decline because he was 90 years old but also had spent two-thirds of his entire life drawing this one comic strip then I don't know how well I would do either. That said, his attempts not to mimic - whether through practise or art reuse - appear incredibly amateurish, and it seems implausible for an artist to not have developed their own style before ever being tasked with assuming another's. If it were just, as he says, just an unfamiliarity with a new tool you'd still have the fundamentals there - he was on this strip for five plus years before people's features just start sliding around their face with inconsistent scale.

I just want him to produce a quality product. If it's him finally buying another pen so he's not stuck for months on end on this digital tablet he doesn't know how to use properly, then fine, buy the pen. If it's going back to directly mimicking Jack's style by hand despite people calling it clip art for how well he does it, swallow your loving pride Jam and accept the compliment. If it's going back to reusing art as people claim, gently caress, do it. I don't care because that's honestly been the house-style of the strip for over a decade now and some comics have that reuse as their entire artistic conceit and are great.

Bruceski
Aug 21, 2007

Live, laugh, kupo!

StrixNebulosa posted:

That's basically every older strip now. Garfield's creator isn't dead but it sure is traced - no not even that, they just paste in stock garfields and speech bubbles.

But yeah Mark Trail is really bad at the tracing, you can see the new art style is... interesting now that he's been called out on how bad his tracing is

Yeah, Garfield's style can support copy/paste.

Angular Cyrus
May 29, 2007

everything is so much harder than it looks
King Aroo 11/27/53


They'll Do It Every Time 11/20/46


Mopsy 11/30/42

Samovar
Jun 4, 2011

When I want to relax, I read an essay by Engels. When I want something more serious, I read Corto Maltese.



I actually remember reading a book by Bill Bryson where he talked about old phones - maybe not quite as old as these - at his grandparent's place that, because you went through to the operator you could have group chats with your neighbors all at the same time. I wonder why that option was removed?

Actually, thinking on it, I be phone companies weren't profiting enough from it.

Anyway, onto today's Corto Maltese: Perhaps the real treasure was the doppelgangers we killed on the way, or You know, a lot of this could have been all avoided if Trelawny remembered that there was a back door to the place..., or Raspa gets the last laugh





And so ends the story of The Golden House of Samarkand! Our hero's journey will take him back to the Hemisphere where we first met him in... Tango all at Half Light!

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




Zelda

Selachian
Oct 9, 2012

Samovar posted:

I actually remember reading a book by Bill Bryson where he talked about old phones - maybe not quite as old as these - at his grandparent's place that, because you went through to the operator you could have group chats with your neighbors all at the same time. I wonder why that option was removed?

Actually, thinking on it, I be phone companies weren't profiting enough from it.

They're called party lines, and there are still a few out there even today.

Crowetron
Apr 29, 2009

Why is Zelda's boyfriend dying his hair and pretending he's her boss?

gleebster
Dec 16, 2006

Only a howler
Pillbug
Jam Essallen is a climate change denier. That's what made me give up reading his work.

Anyway, in Juliet Jones it seems Kiwi is as much a prisoner as Eve.

Tiggum
Oct 23, 2007

Your life and your quest end here.


Ghostlight posted:

Now, I'm not one to defend old Jam Esallen but reportedly he was working on the strip for several years as an understudy before taking over, and one of the primary things he would have been doing is learning how to mimic Jack el Rod's style. At the time of handover Jam had already been the strip's artist for quite a while.
You would think that. That working as Jackelrod's assistant with the plan of eventually taking over would involve learning to mimic his style. But although he may quibble over the definition of "clip art", he hasn't denied that he traces old pictures and photos rather than drawing anything - or did until this recent change in art style (and possibly artist). And you can tell, because he doesn't bother to pay too much attention to stuff like scale or perspective, and often combines two pictures that don't really go together, so you get a child's head on what is obviously a scaled-down adult body, or limbs that don't seem to attach correctly, etc.

Ghostlight posted:

I just want him to produce a quality product.
For that to happen he would not only have to learn to draw, he would also have to learn to write, and start believing in science. He is not qualified to perform any single part of his job, let alone the entire thing. There is absolutely no chance of him ever improving to the point that he creates anything that could be described as "a quality product".

Kennel
May 1, 2008

BAWWW-UNH!

Crowetron posted:

Why is Zelda's boyfriend dying his hair and pretending he's her boss?

All beautiful people are alike.

gleebster
Dec 16, 2006

Only a howler
Pillbug

Kennel posted:

All beautiful people are alike.

What does that have to do with the characters in Zelda?

Zereth
Jul 8, 2003



Tiggum posted:

You would think that. That working as Jackelrod's assistant with the plan of eventually taking over would involve learning to mimic his style. But although he may quibble over the definition of "clip art", he hasn't denied that he traces old pictures and photos rather than drawing anything - or did until this recent change in art style (and possibly artist). And you can tell, because he doesn't bother to pay too much attention to stuff like scale or perspective, and often combines two pictures that don't really go together, so you get a child's head on what is obviously a scaled-down adult body, or limbs that don't seem to attach correctly, etc.
Or, occasionally, what was really obviously a background character scaled up to foreground size, which made their line widths a lot thicker and so on, retainign the lower level of detail a background character had.

Kennel
May 1, 2008

BAWWW-UNH!
Surgeon's Tales


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horn_family
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fleming_of_Louhisaari

Nancy



Dustin


Mandrake


Redneck

LazyQ
Feb 22, 2011

Mämmilä

amigolupus
Aug 25, 2017

Even if the art for Mark Trail got any better, it still doesn't change the fact that Jams can't write a coherent story even if his life depended on it. Look at what the story's like so far and how the forest fire felt like it came out of the left field. If we just rearrange things a bit we could have had something like this:

Mark and the others get woken up by the thunderstorm -> They see lightning strike in the distance and that a fire started -> Mark and the others find Rusty and the orphaned kid in the forest -> Orphaned kid cries that he left because no one wanted him, and the husband and wife admit that they want to adopt him -> A heavy rain comes in to extinguish the forest fire

Instead we wasted days as the people in the campsite talked about how they needed to find orphan boy because he had no one else who loves him in the world, instead of, oh I don't know, he's one of their charges in this trip and it's their job to make sure he's safe.


This rules. :allears:

Chef Bourgeoisie
Oct 8, 2016

by Reene
Bloom County
July 16th & 17th, 1981

Vargo
Dec 27, 2008

'Cuz it's KILLIN' ME!

Angular Cyrus posted:

Mark Trail '47 1/2–4




Mark Trail '94 5/9–11




I honestly feel a kinship with Mark Trail now and I love these 40s strips, is there a source where I can get more? Hell, I would buy a giant coffee table book, but it seems like there are no collections anywhere.


amigolupus posted:

Even if the art for Mark Trail got any better, it still doesn't change the fact that Jams can't write a coherent story even if his life depended on it. Look at what the story's like so far and how the forest fire felt like it came out of the left field. If we just rearrange things a bit we could have had something like this:

Mark and the others get woken up by the thunderstorm -> They see lightning strike in the distance and that a fire started -> Mark and the others find Rusty and the orphaned kid in the forest -> Orphaned kid cries that he left because no one wanted him, and the husband and wife admit that they want to adopt him -> A heavy rain comes in to extinguish the forest fire

Instead we wasted days as the people in the campsite talked about how they needed to find orphan boy because he had no one else who loves him in the world, instead of, oh I don't know, he's one of their charges in this trip and it's their job to make sure he's safe.

I have a conspiracy theory that James isn't drawing or writing the strip anymore. It's hard to put my finger on it, but I don't feel like this type of bad storytelling is James' type of bad storytelling.

Adam


BCN


Phoebe


Wallace


holy poo poo this storyline is getting so good.

Curtis

Stultus Maximus
Dec 21, 2009

USPOL May

All dogs go to Valhalla. :black101:

EBB
Feb 15, 2005

LazyQ posted:

Mämmilä



The is most sweet, wholesome thing I have seen in a while

readingatwork
Jan 8, 2009

Hello Fatty!


Fun Shoe
Old School Peanuts (Sept 2, 1951)




Calvin and Hobbes (Jun 4-5, 1987)






Robbie and Bobby (Sept 30-Oct 1, 2015)



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Parahexavoctal
Oct 10, 2004

I AM NOT BEING PAID TO CORRECT OTHER PEOPLE'S POSTS! DONKEY!!

In this installment of Keeping Up With the Joneses, the punchline is "alcohol", and possibly "silly walks".

I'm honestly not sure if this is supposed to be the same fancy event as in the previous strip.

[next strip will be spoilered for Old-Timey Racist Caricatures]

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