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Shellception
Oct 12, 2016

ALL THINGS THAT ARE ARE OURS. BUT WE MUST CARE. FOR IF WE DO NOT CARE, WE DO NOT EXIST. IF WE DO NOT EXIST, THEN THERE IS NOTHING BUT BLIND OBLIVION.

AND EVEN OBLIVION MUST END SOMEDAY.
I just want to say, DTWoF is interesting but those context snippets are what make it really, really shine. They are great to read even if you are far removed from both the theme, time and place. Great job!

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Haifisch
Nov 12, 2010

Objection! I object! That was... objectionable!



Taco Defender
Catch-up Part 2:

Locher Tracy













Origins of the Sunday Comics


Footrot Flats

amigolupus
Aug 25, 2017

Evil Mastermind posted:

Of course not. Batiuk doesn't know about anything about comics past the Golden Age, and even then it's a total surface level "appreciation".

What annoys me is that making fun of the CCA is such a low-hanging fruit. Batiuk thinks it's stupid because mocking it is what everyone does. If Batiuk was actually half the fan of Golden Age comics he claims he is, he would have some appreciation for the CCA because of how it got comic book writers to be creative in dealing with the limitations, and how it got us all those Superdickery comics.

Julet Esqu
May 6, 2007




BigglesSWE
Dec 2, 2014

That’s a pretty good joke from Luann’s dad, I gotta say.

But goddamn is this giving off some misogynistic vibes. Wouldn’t be surprised if it ends with the mom coming back to be home because that’s where she belongs after all, and the family wouldn’t function with a working mother.

How Wonderful!
Jul 18, 2006


I only have excellent ideas
Cooking for people you love is one of the best things in the world and feels better than almost anything else, I never get this trope where cooking dinner is a huge hassle. Like for god's sake Mr. Luann if you're not a great chef just make some spaghetti, or fancy up a grilled cheese, I don't know, if you're really taking baby-steps just chop up some extra stuff to make a packet of ramen a little more pretty and hearty, just give your loving daughter some spaghetti you rear end in a top hat.

I'm also excited about the Heart of the City hand-off because it's not a very good comic but I do like reading a comic set in Philly that actually has some recognizable signs of taking place here. I hope that element sticks around.

And of course thank you for the kind words about DtWOF. I see it as a strip that's interesting largely because it shows the same characters responding to almost 30 years worth of change, sometimes tumultuous change, in the US and in queer culture, and changing themselves along with it. I'm always worried I'll gently caress up some factoid but I try to get the basic context in order.

How Wonderful! fucked around with this message at 19:32 on Apr 22, 2020

BigglesSWE
Dec 2, 2014

Cooking for others is the only time I actually care for cooking, I’m sad to say.

How Wonderful!
Jul 18, 2006


I only have excellent ideas

BigglesSWE posted:

Cooking for others is the only time I actually care for cooking, I’m sad to say.

Me too, when I lived alone right after college it was steamed broccoli over brown rice with tofu and soy sauce every single night for dinner and vegetable quesadillas every single lunch, dumb expensive oats every breakfast, no snacks, tons of wine, really depressing stuff. I love love love cooking when I've got other people to feed though.

Parahexavoctal
Oct 10, 2004

I AM NOT BEING PAID TO CORRECT OTHER PEOPLE'S POSTS! DONKEY!!

In this installment of Keeping Up With the Joneses, another Prohibition joke: Aloysius broke his hip flask.

Only registered members can see post attachments!

Angular Cyrus
May 29, 2007

everything is so much harder than it looks
Mark Trail '47 1/16–18




Mark Trail '94 5/23–25


Darthemed
Oct 28, 2007

"A data unit?
For me?
"


College Slice
Docks




Retail




Zip


Rip


Dick




Duck

Mercedes Colomar
Nov 1, 2008

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

BigglesSWE posted:

Cooking for others is the only time I actually care for cooking, Im sad to say.

I do it for a living and mood. Cooking for myself, I'm lazy and just make chilis and stews because it makes like, 6 meals. I do bulk things.

catlord
Mar 22, 2009

What's on your mind, Axa?

How Wonderful! posted:

Cooking for people you love is one of the best things in the world and feels better than almost anything else, I never get this trope where cooking dinner is a huge hassle. Like for god's sake Mr. Luann if you're not a great chef just make some spaghetti, or fancy up a grilled cheese, I don't know, if you're really taking baby-steps just chop up some extra stuff to make a packet of ramen a little more pretty and hearty, just give your loving daughter some spaghetti you rear end in a top hat.

A bit of pesto, some mozzarella, boom, done. Tastes great, feels slightly fancy. I don't cook for other people often but it's not, as you said, terribly hard.

Anyway, I don't comment on it much, but I really like DtWOF and your historical commentary is super neat. And in general, I really appreciate the classic strips, and the people who effortpost about them as well.

BigDave
Jul 14, 2009

Taste the High Country

How Wonderful! posted:

Cooking for people you love is one of the best things in the world and feels better than almost anything else, I never get this trope where cooking dinner is a huge hassle. Like for god's sake Mr. Luann if you're not a great chef just make some spaghetti, or fancy up a grilled cheese, I don't know, if you're really taking baby-steps just chop up some extra stuff to make a packet of ramen a little more pretty and hearty, just give your loving daughter some spaghetti you rear end in a top hat.

I'm also excited about the Heart of the City hand-off because it's not a very good comic but I do like reading a comic set in Philly that actually has some recognizable signs of taking place here. I hope that element sticks around.

And of course thank you for the kind words about DtWOF. I see it as a strip that's interesting largely because it shows the same characters responding to almost 30 years worth of change, sometimes tumultuous change, in the US and in queer culture, and changing themselves along with it. I'm always worried I'll gently caress up some factoid but I try to get the basic context in order.


I blame the whole COOKING IS IMPOSSIBLE HOW DO THE WIVES DO IT AAACK!! trope from lazy 50s sitcom writers, speaking of Ozzie and Harriet.

I like DtWOF and your footnotes because it lets you look into a culture that you don't necessarily know a lot about and get all this great historical context you wouldn't normally have.

And the new Heart in the City looks good, I'm getting strong Stephen Universe vibes from the art.

BigDave fucked around with this message at 20:28 on Apr 22, 2020

curtadams
Mar 24, 2019

How Wonderful! posted:

Another missing DtWOF from curtadams!

Dykes to Watch Out For #27



I still know a few people with Mo's attitude about wedding and the family here but it seems pretty rare. When I was in coursework, which was already a bunch of years ago, people already seemed fairly impatient with Lee Edelman and that kind of hardcore agitation against reproductive futurity. I'm biased since my wife and I are itching to buy a house and have the yard and the driveway and all that but still, even friends of mine who are philosophically opposed to the nuclear family will still show up to a wedding.

To be fair 1988 was a different world in terms of the rights granted to LGBTQ+ couples. Even through the 90s same-sex partners had to settle for legally and linguistically hazy terms like domestic partnerships, civil unions, or, in Hawaii, the wonderfully oblique "reciprocal beneficiary relationship." It wasn't until 2004 that Massachusetts became the first state in the US to allow gay marriage, and until 2015 that it was broadly legalized throughout the country.

Adoption is a whole different can of worms, that I'm too depressed and edgy right now to get into, but we'll see that play out in a bit in this very comic soon enough. Mo brings up some other good points though re: health insurance and taxes-- hospital visitation rights were a huge component too.

This feels like a weird strip to have left out of the Essential since it lays the groundwork for stuff that comes up again and again, and in particular in the near future Mo's feelings about marriage just kind of return as if they've already been established. This is also, I think, the first strip to establish that Harriet grew up on a commune, which makes some of her future actions and stances more interesting but is IIRC completely absent from the Essential's curation. I love Mo's "uh... communes, or something." I think she's a great character because I can agree with her on many broad issues but still recognize her as a huge blowhard rear end in a top hat. Her adversarial relationship to "couplehood" specifically in this strip is kind of funny given the weird subplot much later on where her lovely girlfriend (my least favorite character in all of DtWOF honestly) keeps futilely pushing her towards polyamory.
Phoo, you beat me to most of my commentary. I knew people who wanted a different approach than marriage in the '80s, but by the time the collection came out Mo's side of the debate was basically dead and everybody in the community supported equal marriage. It may have been only the seeming impossibility that made people say they didn't want it - kind of a sour grapes approach. I always said it was "just a piece of paper" - until I got my own piece of paper and cried like a baby. So that part of the strip is pretty dated. Mo isn't presenting strong support for alternative relationships, either.

But I agree it's a good strip and provides valuable development on Mo, Harriet, and their relationship. Sorry to hear Bechdel edited out Harriet's commune backstory because I liked that too. So kind of iffy on leaving this one out.

curtadams
Mar 24, 2019

How Wonderful! posted:

Dykes to Watch Out For #35 (1988)

I think Clarice and Toni are two of the more interesting DtWOF characters but I always thought Clarice is acting like a huge prick in this strip. I suppose if I were to theoretically suggest a right time to cheat on your partner, when they're out of town for their grandma's funeral would not be it. Somebody get Mary Worth on the line, stat.
Oh, Clarice is *totally* being a prick here and the strip is very upfront about it. The jokes here are basically how ludicrous her rationalizations are. "We've been together for 6 years and she's putting me through college and we're talking about having a baby, but I guess we're not married", lol, really? That's about as "married" as a lesbian couple could get at the time. And the timing, and the lustful looks in the last panel as she's making rationalizations. LOL on "an innocent affair" too.

The Bloop
Jul 5, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Go home Cooper, you're drunk

Murdstone
Jun 14, 2005



Angular Cyrus posted:

Mark Trail Stuff
I know you went to find the Andy on Trial story (which I thank you for), but is it just a coincidence both of these stories are about Andy being accused of killing or did you select that on purpose too?

Angular Cyrus
May 29, 2007

everything is so much harder than it looks

Johnny Walker posted:

I know you went to find the Andy on Trial story (which I thank you for), but is it just a coincidence both of these stories are about Andy being accused of killing or did you select that on purpose too?

It's entirely a coincidence, I've just been posting '40s Trail chronologically from the start.

Medenmath
Jan 18, 2003
Vintage Valiant (Nov. 20, 1938)

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



i'll give kliban one point for including new zealand then deduct half a point for depicting it right way up on an upside down map.


Bogor 1976


Cowslips Warren
Oct 29, 2005

What use had they for tricks and cunning, living in the enemy's warren and paying his price?

Grimey Drawer

How Wonderful! posted:

Another missing DtWOF from curtadams!

Dykes to Watch Out For #27



I still know a few people with Mo's attitude about wedding and the family here but it seems pretty rare. When I was in coursework, which was already a bunch of years ago, people already seemed fairly impatient with Lee Edelman and that kind of hardcore agitation against reproductive futurity. I'm biased since my wife and I are itching to buy a house and have the yard and the driveway and all that but still, even friends of mine who are philosophically opposed to the nuclear family will still show up to a wedding.

To be fair 1988 was a different world in terms of the rights granted to LGBTQ+ couples. Even through the 90s same-sex partners had to settle for legally and linguistically hazy terms like domestic partnerships, civil unions, or, in Hawaii, the wonderfully oblique "reciprocal beneficiary relationship." It wasn't until 2004 that Massachusetts became the first state in the US to allow gay marriage, and until 2015 that it was broadly legalized throughout the country.

Adoption is a whole different can of worms, that I'm too depressed and edgy right now to get into, but we'll see that play out in a bit in this very comic soon enough. Mo brings up some other good points though re: health insurance and taxes-- hospital visitation rights were a huge component too.

This feels like a weird strip to have left out of the Essential since it lays the groundwork for stuff that comes up again and again, and in particular in the near future Mo's feelings about marriage just kind of return as if they've already been established. This is also, I think, the first strip to establish that Harriet grew up on a commune, which makes some of her future actions and stances more interesting but is IIRC completely absent from the Essential's curation. I love Mo's "uh... communes, or something." I think she's a great character because I can agree with her on many broad issues but still recognize her as a huge blowhard rear end in a top hat. Her adversarial relationship to "couplehood" specifically in this strip is kind of funny given the weird subplot much later on where her lovely girlfriend (my least favorite character in all of DtWOF honestly) keeps futilely pushing her towards polyamory.

The Adventures of Ozzie and Harriet was a sitcom that ran on the radio from 1944 to 1954 and on TV from 1952 to 1966. It was kind of an emblem of a certain whitebread, middle-class domestic archetype of a distinctly post-war variety, and was already a countercultural punching bag by the early 60s. It was certainly a program in which the woes and anxieties of the real world rarely entered the perimeter of the home, where the husband was an affable but goofy king.

Is it the lady who gets cancer? Not Lisa Moore, with Mo. Sydney. Mo was funny in her irritating way but loving hell Sydney had no redeeming qualities I can remember.

How Wonderful!
Jul 18, 2006


I only have excellent ideas
Yeah, and she got tenure while Ginger languishes in the dust forever! I think it makes sense for Mo, an rear end, to wind up with a much different kind of rear end, but by the time Sydney comes around I think one feels attached enough to Mo that it sucks to see her get mistreated so casually.

Cowslips Warren
Oct 29, 2005

What use had they for tricks and cunning, living in the enemy's warren and paying his price?

Grimey Drawer
IIRC, Sydney also sells their love texts/stories to a magazine and is surprised Mo get pissed, and also runs up a ton of credit cards, all the while insisting people can't get mad at her because she has cancer.

How Wonderful!
Jul 18, 2006


I only have excellent ideas
She's really bad and to me it never really makes up for the stuff about her dumping Thea for having MS.

Haifisch
Nov 12, 2010

Objection! I object! That was... objectionable!



Taco Defender

Ghostlight posted:

Bogor 1976



Whoever wrote this poo poo really thought this was funny enough to use up a week's worth of strips, huh?

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



these originally appeared weekly so it's closer to two month's worth.

Shiroc
May 16, 2009

Sorry I'm late
I've been reading and mostly lurking these threads consistently for like 10 years but fell off last year, caught up, fell off when this one started but caught back up again. I really appreciate everyone who takes the time to post the comics, no matter their quality or if I even read them. I also want to call out that I really like the commentary DtWOF. I'm newly out as trans so the queer history is super interesting.

This thread is a real great thing, especially now.

Vargo
Dec 27, 2008

'Cuz it's KILLIN' ME!

How Wonderful! posted:

I'm also excited about the Heart of the City hand-off because it's not a very good comic but I do like reading a comic set in Philly that actually has some recognizable signs of taking place here. I hope that element sticks around.


*waving to a fellow Philly goon*

Ghostlight posted:

Bogor 1976




Y'know, one strip featuring the slur-most-people-don't-know-is-a-slur was one thing, but seeing it go over and over and over again is really rough.


BigglesSWE posted:

Cooking for others is the only time I actually care for cooking, I’m sad to say.

I absolutely love cooking but if my girlfriend is out of town and I don't have anyone to cook for, I eat like loving garbage. I just don't care about myself enough to put all that effort in, but I'll put it in for someone else.

Evil Mastermind
Apr 28, 2008

The Dinette Set can use the servant's entrance.


Working Daze is probably how you're all finding out.


Super-Fun-Pak Comix is an infinite loop.


Cul De Sac is not OSHA approved.

Endless Mike
Aug 13, 2003



You can NOT tie down a banjo man

catlord
Mar 22, 2009

What's on your mind, Axa?

Endless Mike posted:

You can NOT tie down a banjo man

Though it sounds like you can pin one down with a heavy enough object.

Safety Dance
Sep 10, 2007

Five degrees to starboard!

catlord posted:

Though it sounds like you can pin one down with a heavy enough object.

That's just the ne'er-do-well brother

curtadams
Mar 24, 2019

Cowslips Warren posted:

Is it the lady who gets cancer? Not Lisa Moore, with Mo. Sydney. Mo was funny in her irritating way but loving hell Sydney had no redeeming qualities I can remember.
C'mon y'all know what Sidney is there for. She's a comic villain. She's comic because she has the soul of a Reagan conservative; selfish, obsessed with money and status, and horny; but she's a dyke who can spout pseudo-leftist/feminist/deconstructivist rhetoric better than anybody else in the strip. She's inherently ironic and Bechdel milks at least one gag out of her in almost every appearance. Plus, a villain gives a good kick for a soap strip and Sydney provides plenty of that too.

Sweaty IT Nerd
Jul 13, 2007

Safety Dance posted:

That's just the ne'er-do-well brother

Logically it has to be.

FrumpleOrz
Feb 12, 2014

Perhaps you have not been to the *Playground*.
The *Playground* is for Taalo and for Orz, but *Campers* can go.
It more fun than several.
You can go there for too much fun.
The Lockhorns


Brewster Rockit Space Guy


On The Fastrack What an abusive monster.


Safe Havens


Kevin & Kell


Mother Goose & Grimm


Hagar The Horrible


Sherman's Lagoon

amigolupus
Aug 25, 2017


Christ, she keeps finding ways to amuse herself by looking down on her employees. How the hell does Holbrook think this is supposed to be funny and not evil?


I still can't believe Holbrook wrote this dodo having absolutely no idea that he just laid an egg. You'd think he would have felt that or something.

How Wonderful!
Jul 18, 2006


I only have excellent ideas

curtadams posted:

C'mon y'all know what Sidney is there for. She's a comic villain. She's comic because she has the soul of a Reagan conservative; selfish, obsessed with money and status, and horny; but she's a dyke who can spout pseudo-leftist/feminist/deconstructivist rhetoric better than anybody else in the strip. She's inherently ironic and Bechdel milks at least one gag out of her in almost every appearance. Plus, a villain gives a good kick for a soap strip and Sydney provides plenty of that too.

I think it's a love to hate thing at best, kind of a register of where these characters have gone in their lives and how far they've drifted from their original characterizations, just like the little recurring bit about everyone gradually dropping vegetarianism except Mo. As far as foils go I kind of like the College Republican kid who shows up eventually better.

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

Cheer Up Boss Dharma



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Sweaty IT Nerd
Jul 13, 2007

Do you reckon Tombat will give himself an Oscar?

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