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curtadams
Mar 24, 2019

goatface posted:

Do any helicopters even have the range to do the wartime crossing via Iceland? They're not built for intercontinental travel.
With a stop in Greenland, yes. The wiki for Narsarsuaq in Greenland says it was used for that during the Cold War. Even the longest range chopper has a range of 1225 miles so it couldn't make it without a Greenland stop. Normal choppers have a range of only a few hundred miles and can't do the crossing at all.

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BigglesSWE
Dec 2, 2014

Helicopters aren’t nearly quick enough to cover such distances without a pit stop.

His Divine Shadow
Aug 7, 2000

I'm not a fascist. I'm a priest. Fascists dress up in black and tell people what to do.
Would have to be a hella copter to cover that kinda distance in one go.

gleebster
Dec 16, 2006

Only a howler
Pillbug
While on the nominal topic of air travel, in Juliet Jones, it appears it's just a swindle, not abduction after all.

Pastry of the Year
Apr 12, 2013

Arlo and Janis





Tina's Groove Classic (September 15, 2008)



Arlo and Janis Classic (September 15, 1998)



Garfield Classic (September 15, 1988)

davidspackage
May 16, 2007

Nap Ghost

His Divine Shadow posted:

Would have to be a hella copter to cover that kinda distance in one go.

Welcome to my TED Talk titled "the Science of Airwolf"

StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

Arlo and Janis continues to hit that perfect note of topical COVID stuff without being annoying about it. It's just so drat good!

LazyQ
Feb 22, 2011

Mämmilä

maltesh
May 20, 2004

Uncle Ben: Still Dead.

StrixNebulosa posted:

Arlo and Janis continues to hit that perfect note of topical COVID stuff without being annoying about it. It's just so drat good!

Doesn't their son run a bed-and-breakfast, though?

Vargo
Dec 27, 2008

'Cuz it's KILLIN' ME!
Adam


Feels like she's already read most of the thing, Adam, the damage is done, just cut your losses and try to buy her novels that don't contain vagina retightening subplots.

BCN


Phoebe


Wallace


Curtis

Samovar
Jun 4, 2011

When I want to relax, I read an essay by Engels. When I want something more serious, I read Corto Maltese.


Kennel posted:

Man in Black


Idgi.

readingatwork
Jan 8, 2009

Hello Fatty!


Fun Shoe
Old School Peanuts (Sept 10, 1951)




Calvin and Hobbes (Jun 16-17, 1987)






Robbie and Bobby (Oct 20-21, 2015)



Kennel
May 1, 2008

BAWWW-UNH!

At first it looks like a lightning.
But actually it was the panel ripping and falling down metajoke.

Yeah, I had trouble to parse it as well.

Darthemed
Oct 28, 2007

"A data unit?
For me?
"


College Slice
Docks




Retail




Zip


Rip


Dick


Duck

JethroMcB
Jan 23, 2004

We're normal now.
We love your family.

"Facetiming" on "Some Gizmo"

EasyEW
Mar 8, 2006

I've got my father's great big six-shooter with me 'n' if anybody in this woods wants to start somethin' just let 'em--but they DASSN'T.
Sally Forth







Skippy (November 21-23, 1932)







Peanuts (April 25-27, 1973)







Les Moore, Chief Cashier At The Saint Lisa Merch Table







Crankshaft







9 "I Am Deeply Afraid Of What Some Of You Are Going To Do To Me Over This Strip, BUT THIS poo poo IS WHAT GETS A REACTION" Lane







Rip Haywire







Thimble Theater (November 21, 23-24, 1936)







Out Our Way (May 14-16, 1934)





Kennel
May 1, 2008

BAWWW-UNH!

Kennel posted:

At first it looks like a lightning.
But actually it was the panel ripping and falling down metajoke.

Yeah, I had trouble to parse it as well.

I decided to animate it just for fun.

NRVNQSR
Mar 1, 2009

LazyQ posted:

Mämmilä



This page is like a microcosm of Mammila for me.

I can understand it all just fine. In each panel it's very clear what events are taking place. The line of dialogue in the final panel reads fine; the grammar is clear and I could probably even translate the line into another language if I needed to.

But I don't understand any of it.

Pigsfeet on Rye
Oct 22, 2008

No thanks to Lizzo..

NRVNQSR posted:

This page is like a microcosm of Mammila for me.

I can understand it all just fine. In each panel it's very clear what events are taking place. The line of dialogue in the final panel reads fine; the grammar is clear and I could probably even translate the line into another language if I needed to.

But I don't understand any of it.

He's unemployed, maybe let go by the Rivutti factory. Seems like Finland is in a recession, so he doesn't have any job prospects, just walks back and forth to the unemployment office. Each day, habit makes him start to turn in at the Rivutti gate, and the message reminds him not to. Depressing slice of life.

NRVNQSR
Mar 1, 2009

Pigsfeet on Rye posted:

He's unemployed, maybe let go by the Rivutti factory. Seems like Finland is in a recession, so he doesn't have any job prospects, just walks back and forth to the unemployment office. Each day, habit makes him start to turn in at the Rivutti gate, and the message reminds him not to. Depressing slice of life.

Thanks; reading back through previous pages I hadn't internalized that Crywood and Rivutti were both names for the factory.

The absence of other people had me guessing that the line was talking about his unemployment making him invisible or forgettable to people.

NRVNQSR fucked around with this message at 16:22 on Apr 24, 2020

davidspackage
May 16, 2007

Nap Ghost

EasyEW posted:

9 "I Am Deeply Afraid Of What Some Of You Are Going To Do To Me Over This Strip, BUT THIS poo poo IS WHAT GETS A REACTION" Lane







*puts bucket over head and scream-vomits*

Bruceski
Aug 21, 2007

Live, laugh, kupo!

Pastry of the Year posted:

Arlo and Janis Classic (September 15, 1998)



Been there, done that.

Samovar
Jun 4, 2011

When I want to relax, I read an essay by Engels. When I want something more serious, I read Corto Maltese.


Kennel posted:

I decided to animate it just for fun.


Thank you for pointing it out.

Chef Bourgeoisie
Oct 8, 2016

by Reene
Bloom County
July 28th & 29th, 1981

His Divine Shadow
Aug 7, 2000

I'm not a fascist. I'm a priest. Fascists dress up in black and tell people what to do.

Pigsfeet on Rye posted:

He's unemployed, maybe let go by the Rivutti factory. Seems like Finland is in a recession, so he doesn't have any job prospects, just walks back and forth to the unemployment office. Each day, habit makes him start to turn in at the Rivutti gate, and the message reminds him not to. Depressing slice of life.

If this is in the 70s then Finland was in a recession and lots of people migrated to Sweden during this time when the economy was much better there. I remember my parents and several of my aunts and uncles and other family all moved to Stockholm in the early 1970s for work (well I know of it, I wasn't born then). My older sister was born in Stockholm and lived in Södertälje for a few years before they moved back. Lots of people moved back but I think over half stayed. My parents moved back in the late 70s and worked various jobs as the economy recovered in Finland, before starting a hydroponic greenhouse farm, which they lived of until they retired a few years ago. I believe over half a million finns migrated to sweden after WW2 in the 20th century.

Mercedes Colomar
Nov 1, 2008

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Family Circus


Rose is Rose


One Big Happy


Foob


Compu-Toon


Bizarro

The Bloop
Jul 5, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
One hundred percent the best, most cogent computoon ever

Huxley
Oct 10, 2012



Grimey Drawer

Why the gently caress is this new mother sleeping in a chair in the same room as her child and not doing acrobatics or monologuing to a packed house of orchestra-goers about her husband's lactation fetish?

How Wonderful!
Jul 18, 2006


I only have excellent ideas
Another missing strip recovered courtesy of curtadam:
Dykes to Watch Out For #29 (1988)



I get why the Essential skips this-- it kind of goes back over a conversation we've already seen-- but I like how it fleshes out Mo's ambivalence about monogamy as something she personally is comfortable with theoretically feels obligated to oppose. Once again Lois feels like the most ahead-of-the-curve character in terms of saying stuff and holding beliefs that a lot of 2020 lesbians I know share.

and Dykes to Watch Out For #35 (1988)


Interesting contrast between Lois' commitment to and happiness with what we'd now call, probably, "ethical non-monogamy" and her disapproval of Clarice's decidedly less ethical cheating. DtWOF is really smart and nuanced about relationships, and is good here at showing that although Lois' approach to romance is one that was far from mainstream in 1988 it still has a level of responsibility about other peoples' feelings and emotional consent that we don't see in Clarice's affair.

Ginger's dissertation is I presume in part Bechdel just stringing together a bunch of then-hot academic buzzwords, to set up the joke that her long-winded synopsis drags off into the kiss in panel 7, but it also sounds kind of neat I guess. I have to admit "dominant-culture criticism" is not a term I've seen a lot although I can suss out what she means, although late 80's lit theory isn't my strong suit at all. It's possible she just means "criticism of Afro-American literature by dominant-culture [hegemonic] critics" and that my impulse to read it as implying a "Dominant-Culture Criticism" as a discrete school of thought is just academia-poisoning. Anyway the 80s were indeed a high watermark for a mainstream flourishing of literature by black women, and a lot of them did draw on the narrative techniques of oral storytelling to great effect-- think of Toni Morrison, Alice Walker, the critical rediscover of Zora Neal Hurston, and the continuing legacy of the more explicitly radical Black Arts Movement in the 60s and 70s.

Henry Louis Gates describes this tendency towards replicating oral storytelling in some of these authors as a political as well as an aesthetic stance, asserting that although antebellum African Americans lacked a broadly visible written culture this didn't imply a lack of any culture at all, and that oral storytelling was as rich and sophisticated tradition as any other literary school of the 19th century. At the same time, you might imagine how this spate of novels about unlettered black women, written in a deliberately vernacular register, might have elicited knowingly or unknowingly racist and paternalistic responses by white critics akin to "primitive genius" tropes applied to black artists and musicians of previous decades. I presume that if Ginger's fictional dissertation was real that's some of the stuff it would touch on. I guess my point is that as far as made-up fantasy academic gobbledygook goes Bechdel does a pretty good job of making it sound like something that a real academic committee would approve.

Julet Esqu
May 6, 2007






She literally told them to make dinner themselves when she was leaving.

Also I think Team Evans keep forgetting what owning the Fuse would actually mean. For one thing, leftovers from the Fuse would not be a novelty. For another, shouldn't one of them be over there during open hours a lot of the time anyway? Are either of them ever actually there when we aren't doing a wacky "this married woman works... OUTSIDE THE HOME???" subplot?



You can gently caress right of with this 1950's patriarchal bullshit.

riderchop
Aug 10, 2010

av by @daikonquest!
Garfield



Heathcliff



'Cliff has reached Covidposting

Overboard



Monty

curtadams
Mar 24, 2019

How Wonderful! posted:

Another missing strip recovered courtesy of curtadam:
Dykes to Watch Out For #29 (1988)



I get why the Essential skips this-- it kind of goes back over a conversation we've already seen-- but I like how it fleshes out Mo's ambivalence about monogamy as something she personally is comfortable with theoretically feels obligated to oppose. Once again Lois feels like the most ahead-of-the-curve character in terms of saying stuff and holding beliefs that a lot of 2020 lesbians I know share.

and Dykes to Watch Out For #35 (1988)

Interesting contrast between Lois' commitment to and happiness with what we'd now call, probably, "ethical non-monogamy" and her disapproval of Clarice's decidedly less ethical cheating. DtWOF is really smart and nuanced about relationships, and is good here at showing that although Lois' approach to romance is one that was far from mainstream in 1988 it still has a level of responsibility about other peoples' feelings and emotional consent that we don't see in Clarice's affair.

I disagree on dropping that strip because I think it's still relevant, and really funny too. As you say, unlike many of the other debates in DTWOF monogamy vs. nonmonogamy is still a live issue, more of one than in the 80's because of recognition for same-sex relationships, more recognition of fluidity in preferences, and a spread of the idea in the straight world. Plus, I see two thigh-slapper jokes - Mo's wild U-turn at the end in response to mild teasing, and the hilarious expression of the shopper reading "Theoretical Lesbianism" in response to Lois' oversharing about her sex life. Haven't we all experienced hearing somebody say something in public we really would rather not know? It's a nice touch that Bechdel, while using a standard trope of having characters do exposition at work, actually thinks about what it really would be like to have people saying things like that in a bookstore.

The "I think you're brave to work so hard at it" is very funny to me too, because right around the time this was published I was in a public speaking club. One of the things we would do was evaluate each other's speeches; but the purpose of evaluating is to help your fellow members improve and counterintuitively you need to give more positive evaluations to bad speakers (to encourage them and keep them in the club) and more negative ones to the good ones (because they genuinely need to know what's wrong to improve it). One club trainer on this taught

quote:

And what do you say if you can't think of *anything* good to say about a speech? You say 'It was very brave of you to give that speech!'
LOL Pretty sure Mo is doing this here, and Lois certainly takes it that way.

And as a final boost, #29 showing that Lois actively practices nonmonogamy and has a thoughtful approach to it adds to the sting of her disapproval in #35.

How Wonderful! posted:

Henry Louis Gates describes this tendency towards replicating oral storytelling in some of these authors as a political as well as an aesthetic stance, asserting that although antebellum African Americans lacked a broadly visible written culture this didn't imply a lack of any culture at all, and that oral storytelling was as rich and sophisticated tradition as any other literary school of the 19th century. At the same time, you might imagine how this spate of novels about unlettered black women, written in a deliberately vernacular register, might have elicited knowingly or unknowingly racist and paternalistic responses by white critics akin to "primitive genius" tropes applied to black artists and musicians of previous decades. I presume that if Ginger's fictional dissertation was real that's some of the stuff it would touch on. I guess my point is that as far as made-up fantasy academic gobbledygook goes Bechdel does a pretty good job of making it sound like something that a real academic committee would approve.
I'd always thought of Ginger's thesis title as being basically "buzzword bingo" but with your context it sounds like there's some real intellectual meat there.

curtadams fucked around with this message at 21:15 on Apr 24, 2020

How Wonderful!
Jul 18, 2006


I only have excellent ideas

curtadams posted:

I disagree on dropping that strip because I think it's still relevant, and really funny too. As you say, unlike many of the other debates in DTWOF monogamy vs. nonmonogamy is still a live issue, more of one than in the 80's because of recognition for same-sex relationships, more recognition of fluidity in preferences, and a spread of the idea in the straight world. Plus, I see two thigh-slapper jokes - Mo's wild U-turn at the end in response to mild teasing, and the hilarious expression of the shopper reading "Theoretical Lesbianism" in response to Lois' oversharing about her sex life. Haven't we all experienced hearing somebody say something in public we really would rather not know? It's a nice touch that Bechdel, while using a standard trope of having characters do exposition at work, actually thinks about what it really would be like to have people saying things like that in a bookstore.

The "I think you're brave to work so hard at it" is very funny to me too, because right around the time this was published I was in a public speaking club. One of the things we would do was evaluate each other's speeches; but the purpose of evaluating is to help your fellow members improve and counterintuitively you need to give more positive evaluations to bad speakers (to encourage them and keep them in the club) and more negative ones to the good ones (because they genuinely need to know what's wrong to improve it). One club trainer on this taught
LOL Pretty sure Mo is doing this here, and Lois certainly takes it that way.

And as a final boost, #29 showing that Lois actively practices nonmonogamy and has a thoughtful approach to it adds to the sting of her disapproval in #35.

I think it's a really funny one too, although my favorite gag in it is the triangular arrangement of "Theoretical Lesbianism" to "Lesbian Passion" to "Lesbian Apathy." I also really like "Feminism and Non-Violence" as Mo is getting ready to throttle Lois. Although since you point it out the expression on the woman reading "Theoretical Lesbianism" is really, really good.

I feel like the Essential's priority though is in making the strip read novelistically and that it's more prone to cutting a funny strip that doesn't advance the plot much than vice versa. I'll get back on my old hobby-horse-- for somebody that has as much cultural weight and academic interest as Bechdel, it's really weird to me how spotty the collection of her work is right now. One selfish element of posting these and posting about these (and actually this thread in general which has so much awesome work being done with old and neglected sources) is that it gives me a lot of opportunity to think about the archive and how popular art is preserved.

curtadams
Mar 24, 2019

How Wonderful! posted:

I also really like "Feminism and Non-Violence" as Mo is getting ready to throttle Lois.
I'd never noticed that! :roflolmao:

Transmodiar
Jul 9, 2005

You're a terrible person, Mildred.
Scary Go Round: The Great Unboxing









Modesty Blaise



Murdstone
Jun 14, 2005



F Minus



Mark Trail



Mary Worth



The Phantom



Pooch Cafe



Rex Morgan MD



Andertoons



Apartment 3-G

fondue
Jul 14, 2002

B Kliban



Angular Cyrus
May 29, 2007

everything is so much harder than it looks
Mark Trail '47 1/20–22




Mark Trail '94 5/26–28


Hoover Dam
Jun 17, 2003

red white and blue forever

Chef Bourgeoisie posted:

Bloom County
July 28th & 29th, 1981



Yeeeesh do these read differently knowing how the whole relationship worked out.
(As with last time, I'll throw down for Bloom County history references).

How Wonderful! posted:

Another missing strip recovered courtesy of curtadam:
Dykes to Watch Out For #29 (1988)


Because this has come up in the strip before: At this point, gay/lesbian relationships were usually referred to as "lovers," not partners, boyfriend or girlfriend, and certainly not husband or wife. Presumably this is to create plausible deniability for not outing oneself, except the only people in the media who ever referred to their significant other as "lover" were gay or lesbian, so that always seemed like a giveaway, at least to hetero me. (That aspect of the term is specifically referenced in a Designing Women episode). "Lover" always sounds romance novel dramatic and I don't care for it but obviously I don't have a vote here.

If you hadn't figured out that labels will be a recurring theme in the strip, I don't know how to spell it out any clearer than already has been.

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Chef Bourgeoisie
Oct 8, 2016

by Reene

Hoover Dam posted:

Yeeeesh do these read differently knowing how the whole relationship worked out.
(As with last time, I'll throw down for Bloom County history references).

Yeah, these are missing from the collection(s) I grew up with, so I'm reading these for the first time as I post them. It's pretty oof.
Especially since I grew up with a mom obsessed with Princess Di, so I know all those little details.

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