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goatface
Dec 5, 2007

I had a video of that when I was about 6.

I remember it being shit.


Grimey Drawer
40 degrees proof is about 25% volume. Weak whisky. Did he originally order whisky?

40 degrees GL, maybe? Is that a thing they had in Finland?

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Samovar
Jun 4, 2011

When I want to relax, I read an essay by Engels. When I want something more serious, I read Corto Maltese.


Kennel posted:

Man in Black




That's some fine visual comedy there.

Bingo Bango
Jan 7, 2020

I gotta say, I'm enjoying Zelda a lot more now reading it next to DTWOF. Part of me was sort of depressed reading DTWOF and seeing just how relevant a lot of the "current" events were still. But I think more than that, both capture that energy of being a neurotic, socially conscious, kind of up your own rear end young adult that is apparently timeless.

fondue
Jul 14, 2002

B Kliban





To me the first idiot on the left looks like Spiro Agnew and the second Nixon.

Pigsfeet on Rye
Oct 22, 2008

No thanks to Lizzo..

fondue posted:

B Kliban





To me the first idiot on the left looks like Spiro Agnew and the second Nixon.

In the 1974 timeframe? Probably is.

Pastry of the Year
Apr 12, 2013

Arlo and Janis



Tina's Groove Classic (September 17, 2008)



Arlo and Janis Classic (September 17, 1998)



Garfield Classic (September 17, 1988)

LazyQ
Feb 22, 2011

Mämmilä

Professor Wayne
Aug 27, 2008

So, Harvey, what became of the giant penny?

They actually let him keep it.

Pickles


Zits

Somebody fucked around with this message at 01:16 on Jul 25, 2022

Chef Bourgeoisie
Oct 8, 2016

by Reene
Bloom County
August 1st & 2nd, 1981

Darthemed
Oct 28, 2007

"A data unit?
For me?
"


College Slice
Docks




Retail




Zip


Rip


Dick


Duck

Samovar
Jun 4, 2011

When I want to relax, I read an essay by Engels. When I want something more serious, I read Corto Maltese.


Pastry of the Year posted:


Garfield Classic (September 17, 1988)



Fuckin 'ell that's good.

riderchop
Aug 10, 2010

av by @daikonquest!
Garfield



Heathcliff



Overboard



Monty

Drakyn
Dec 26, 2012


For the record, one of the bits of generic 'things you can do to reduce your odds of being attacked by a shark*' advice is not swimming with your dog. Doggy paddling is erratic and splashy and can make them want to investigate further.
Presumably if you're erratic and splashy enough yourself you can just dive right in who cares.

*a vanishingly rare scenario, sure, but it doesn't hurt

How Wonderful!
Jul 18, 2006


I only have excellent ideas
Here's the rest of Bechdel's intro from the Essential Dykes to Watch Out For (spoiler for nudity):




(this idea of queer people in general as better is still not super rare and it always bothers me. Stuff about the rarefied nature of trans people in particular always feels kind of alienating to me, an exceptionalism that isn't adequately or meaningfully different from essentialism on the other side. Being trans means that I'm a 33 year old who needs to solicit urgent advice every time I need to buy a bra, I'm not exactly Tiresias the all-knowing over here. I'm, more or less, a queer theorist in terms of specialization in my field, so I'm 100% down with the idea that queerness is experientially a radically different experience than heterosexuality, in many ways, but I think that reifying queerness as a transcendent quality leads to the kind of nonsense we've seen over the past 20 years in which lazy scholars can write about anything old thing being "queered" aka "being done in a way they like"). Anyway Bechdel kind of gets around to this in precisely one page anyway, and I think the strip is a classic because of it-- Bechdel's lesbians are annoying, impatient, narrow-minded, neurotic, and incredibly funny and moving characters for it. I think it's one of the most satisfying comics of all time precisely because she adopts such a loving approach to very flawed characters)

Case in point, here we see Bechdel tossing out a bunch of queer texts by reactionaries.
-Camille Paglia is a huge poo poo head with a bunch of typical "lousy SJWs!!" fist-shaking in her most recent work. Turn offs: trans people, affirmative action. Turn ons: NAMBLA, climate denialism
-Margarethe Cammermeyer was a colonel in the National Guard who was an influence on the repeal of Don't Ask/Don't Tell. Serving in Silence was a 1995 Glenn Close movie based on her life, which I guess was based on a book?
-Andrew Sullivan is a Catholic pundit who has wheeled all over the map of conservative ideology. Virtually Normal, also 1995, was basically an assimilationist polemic which made fair inroads into popular consciousness.
-Marvin Liebman was a former leftist who hopped the rails to right-wing organizing in the late 40s, focusing specifically on Anti-Communism and the Israeli lobby. He came out in 1990 and published Coming Out Conservative in 1992. It, like him, is deeply tiresome.

-Judith Butler is not one of those people. Gender Trouble (1990) is a stone-cold classic of queer theory and feminist theory, and although it's very very widely misread, I still love it. Butler's basic point in it is that gender is not a fixed quality in people but "performative," ie. something that is learned, that is adjusted to fit the world around a given person, is, basically, a social phenomenon much more than it is an ontological or biological one. Rather than "having a gender" people "are gendered" by the world or "do gender" in various conventional or subversive ways. This is not to say that she's glibly saying that gender is a choice or anything like that, despite prevalent misreadings along those lines-- rather, that instead of daydreaming about gender as an absolute thing that exists outside of systems of interpallation, gender as a set of rules and guidelines and affects is always a part of those systems, and even one's innate sense of gender (see also the trans theorist Julie Serrano) is articulated through socially mediated choice, no matter the degree to which that articulation is an act of self-determination. I'm sure I did a crummy job explaining a wonderful and very complicated book, so go out and read it!

How Wonderful! fucked around with this message at 17:52 on Apr 26, 2020

Pigsfeet on Rye
Oct 22, 2008

No thanks to Lizzo..

LazyQ posted:

Mämmilä



This is awesome: go out for cross-country skiing, run across a moonshiner and accidentally sample their wares..

Mikl
Nov 8, 2009

Vote shit sandwich or the shit sandwich gets it!

How Wonderful! posted:

A lot of stuff

This is all extremely interesting, thank you so much!

And in particular:

quote:

(this idea of queer people in general as better is still not super rare and it always bothers me. Stuff about the rarefied nature of trans people in particular always feels kind of alienating to me, an exceptionalism that isn't adequately or meaningfully different from essentialism on the other side. Being trans means that I'm a 33 year old who needs to solicit urgent advice every time I need to buy a bra, I'm not exactly Tiresias the all-knowing over here.

Thank you. Since I came out I found myself being put on a pedestal, as a Shining Example, and it makes me extremely uncomfortable when people do that. I mean, I barely have my poo poo together at 34. And also, above all, trans people are people. If you're being truly equal, you have to give them the chance of being extremely lovely too. (There are stories I could tell about some trans folks I've met...)

Murdstone
Jun 14, 2005



riderchop posted:

Heathcliff




F Minus



Mark Trail



Mary Worth



Now that she's done doing what she wants over the whole weekend, it's time to break up with Hugo. The Westons are awful people.

The Phantom



Pooch Cafe



Rex Morgan MD



Andertoons



Apartment 3-G

Samovar
Jun 4, 2011

When I want to relax, I read an essay by Engels. When I want something more serious, I read Corto Maltese.


I really like that work by Bechdel. It's good.

Drimble Wedge
Mar 10, 2008

Self-contained

Scary Gary







EBB
Feb 15, 2005

Bechdel's graphic autobiography is the best implementation of "the cartoonist at their desk" I've seen. It's extremely real.

Sweaty IT Nerd
Jul 13, 2007

Samovar posted:

I really like that work by Bechdel. It's good.

The commentary is also really helping me. I don't read all of either of them but I do feel like I am learning.

Julet Esqu
May 6, 2007








Cowslips Warren
Oct 29, 2005

What use had they for tricks and cunning, living in the enemy's warren and paying his price?

Grimey Drawer
Compare her stuff to the idiotic strip that used to be posted here, Jane's World. Anyone else remember that? The author/artist literally wrote a comic strip about herself and how all the other lesbians totally loved her and she was the best ever. It was MarySue fanfic before the terms existed. Now if Bechel did that with Dykes, Mo would be praised every time she was an rear end in a top hat, and all the people would want her despite her rear end in a top hat tendencies.


And no, gay people aren't better than straight people, but I don't think she's saying that outright in the comic, more caught up in the moment/trying to explain that yeah, we probably should see out gays and lesbians in pop culture and all that. When Ellen came out, it was a huge deal. Elton John maybe? I don't remember that as much, but I do know that most lesbians get the "oh, it's just a phase" and "wait till you meet a real man" and then the horrible "correction rape" where gay men tend to get more the direct attacks.

How Wonderful!
Jul 18, 2006


I only have excellent ideas

Cowslips Warren posted:

but I don't think she's saying that outright in the comic, more caught up in the moment/trying to explain

For sure, she's using that rhetoric to demonstrate a position she held when she was young, that she abandoned when she began to immerse herself more in how complex and messy real queer culture is, and when she discovered a bunch of poo poo heads like Log Cabin Republicans. Basically that she got caught up in a fantasy and then learned how to come back down and observe more lucidly.

Murdstone
Jun 14, 2005



I don't remember Jane of Jane's World being treated that way by other characters. It was a pretty silly strip but I think it was intended to be lighter than DTWOF.

Angular Cyrus
May 29, 2007

everything is so much harder than it looks


I didn't know Bechdel used to draw Sylvia.


Mark Trail '47 1/23–25




Mark Trail '94 5/30–6/1


Sweaty IT Nerd
Jul 13, 2007

I have a fond remembrance for Sylvia. The writing had moments.

catlord
Mar 22, 2009

What's on your mind, Axa?

Angular Cyrus posted:



I didn't know Bechdel used to draw Sylvia.

That would be a fantastic avatar.

Stultus Maximus
Dec 21, 2009

USPOL May

Sweaty IT Nerd posted:

I have a fond remembrance for Sylvia. The writing had moments.

If by moments you mean moments of lucidity... I still don't agree.

Kennel
May 1, 2008

BAWWW-UNH!

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

The classical Freudian anal sadistic character in its purest form.
God, it's wonderful to get exposure to someone skilled in communication, literate, and capable of introspection like Bechdel is.
















But now I want to see Jane's World for contrast.

How Wonderful!
Jul 18, 2006


I only have excellent ideas

Holy poo poo

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow

EasyEW posted:

9 "aaaaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAA Lane



Sometimes you wonder why we even bother having a social contract if a nationally syndicated comic strip is just gonna let a woman in a sexy red dress flash her tits to entice her husband, who is holding her two infant daughters.

Selachian
Oct 9, 2012

Rhymes with Orange







Get Fuzzy 4/23-25/00







Scanned Collins



For whatever reason, the Grauniad didn't put Collins's cartoon up on their site, but someone on Twitter posted a pic taken from the actual paper.

Calaveron
Aug 7, 2006
:negative:

I am 100% sure this is a far side

Stultus Maximus
Dec 21, 2009

USPOL May

Calaveron posted:

I am 100% sure this is a far side

Haifisch
Nov 12, 2010

Objection! I object! That was... objectionable!



Taco Defender
2017 Spiderman


1978 Comics





Dick Tracy






Locher Tracy




Unlike Locher-era Tracy, which is evergreen. :allears:

Origins of the Sunday Comics


Footrot Flats

BigglesSWE
Dec 2, 2014

I feel like the guest writer/artist for Dick Tracy had challenged themselves to be even more pointless and batshit insane than the normal guys because holy poo poo this lady storyline was crazy bad.

catlord
Mar 22, 2009

What's on your mind, Axa?

BigglesSWE posted:

I feel like the guest writer/artist for Dick Tracy had challenged themselves to be even more pointless and batshit insane than the normal guys because holy poo poo this lady storyline was crazy bad.

Seriously, what the gently caress was that. It's not even a Minit Mystery! There was no mystery and it lasted, what, two, three weeks? Wasn't the entire point of the Minit Mysteries to have something the reader could solve? I'm not asking for Slylock Fox here, but at the very least you could hit Encyclopedia Brown levels.

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Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



That's what Minit Mysteries was. Now Minit Mysteries is just a short (by comparison) storyline by a guest artist.

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