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ukonvasara
Aug 16, 2012

a mixture of gravity and waggery

Just Dan Again posted:

It's been said before, but having both Les and Cayla's lives be permanently wrapped around the Martyrdom of Saint Lisa is unpleasant in a way that I don't think Batiuk fully appreciates. Grief is haunting, and there's no "right" way to grieve, but having so much of the lives of these two people devoted to the death of another feels like a bridge too far to me. Especially when one of them hardly knew the person whose death they have to constantly keep alive in their home.

In strip time Lisa died over twenty years ago! It's such terrible writing--either Les should've been able to establish some emotional closure by now or the story should be about how he somehow hasn't. This bizarre middle road where everyone's lives still somehow revolve around Lisa's death in a clearly emotionally fraught way but also everybody just acts like that's normal is unsettling.

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fondue
Jul 14, 2002

B Kliban




Yvonmukluk
Oct 10, 2012

Everything is Sinister


Bad Machinery

Bruceski
Aug 21, 2007

Live, laugh, kupo!

How Wonderful! posted:

Dykes to Watch Out For #77 (1990)

I don't know if he's come up before, but "Dr. Spock childhood" is a reference to Dr Benjamin Spock and his book The Common Sense Book of Baby and Child Care. It was a paradigm shift in ideas of how to care for children, mainly contradicting previous ideas that babies should all be treated the same and forced to adjust to a "proper" schedule as soon as possible. Spock's book was more about giving general ideas of a child's needs and motivations at various stages of life and ideas of how to accommodate that, but an emphasis on parents trusting their instincts and changing ideas to fit the child rather than the other way around. I have no idea how the book is regarded today.

So Mo is referring to a "textbook perfect" childhood in her rant.

Huxley
Oct 10, 2012



Grimey Drawer
That reminds me of my all-time favorite Bob's Burgers joke:

quote:

Bob: You know, I haven't read any parenting books, but I'm pretty sure this wouldn't be in there.

Linda: Parenting books? There are parenting books?

JethroMcB
Jan 23, 2004

We're normal now.
We love your family.

Yvonmukluk posted:

Bad Machinery


bad machinery was so gosh-darn good; i hope you can understand why I have multiple Shelley Winters prints on my walls

Samovar
Jun 4, 2011

When I want to relax, I read an essay by Engels. When I want something more serious, I read Corto Maltese.


Mikl posted:

Boy did that escalate quickly.

I know, right? One problem with this adventure is that there's very little time for breath.

How Wonderful! posted:

Dykes to Watch Out For #77 (1990)

Bechdel has written before about how flimsy her early attempts to separate Mo from herself were, and here we see Mo relaying the primal scene of her mother "outgrowing" kissing her, an event that Bechdel recounts in a few different autobiographical venues iirc, on top of a number of other really densely loaded memories of parental love and kissing (for example, the scene in Fun Home where she wants to kiss her father goodnight, but lacks the language of emotional intimacy to do anything other than go up and really briefly kiss his knuckles).

Also, this may come from a person who's family has always been ok with kissing as greetings/goodbyes/etc. (well, at the very most on the cheek), but that story re. the knuckles makes me very sad.

On that, into today's Corto Maltese: Boy has Corto really ended up in the soup!, or It appears that one guard has never heard, in the words of Liza Minelli, that money makes the world go round, or Seeing the recording of the Inuit throat singers, I can't help but be reminded of David Attenborough recording the music of indigenous African peoples then playing it back for them



Strontium
Aug 28, 2009

Dexter didn't much care for the party.
Daddy Daze


Take It From the Tinkersons


Dark Side of the Horse


Fort Knox

Kennel
May 1, 2008

BAWWW-UNH!
Nancy


Dustin



Mandrake


Man in Black


Kennel fucked around with this message at 07:45 on Jun 15, 2020

amigolupus
Aug 25, 2017

Vargo posted:

I snitch-tweeted on James Allen, (to @KingFeatures and @ComicsKingdom) gently caress it, this is something that's been coming a long time. I have some Twitter followers at GoComics/Andrews McMeel who I'm guessing know some people at King Features, and hopefully it'll trickle over.

Hopefully, they notice your Tweet and this gets him kicked off Mark Trail. I'm gonna laugh if this leads to Dr. Vargo being Mark's archenemy, though.


Team Evans doesn't realize how this could go into some gross directions. Either Ann Eiffel is lying about being pregnant to trick Tiffany's dad, Tiffany will have to accept her abuser as family now, Ann Eiffel is abusive to Tiffany while spoiling her own kid or Ann Eiffel's neglectful of the baby and has Tiff care for it.


Yeah, sure, bring the random stranger into your house during the quarantine rather than bringing some food out for her. Not like that's a huge risk, or anything.

StrixNebulosa posted:

protect lisa from WHAT

you're the motherfucker who turned her personal suffering into a blockbuster book and now a movie

Not to mention that Les will try and torpedo this entire thing if given a chance, you know, just like before. This entire thing is a massive waste of everyone's time and money.


It's really fascinating how Mo's therapy is being handled. She's uncomfortable and even angry with how personal things are getting, so she's trying to deflect by pointing out the world's problems. It's a good exploration of therapy, when media still portrayed it as something to be ashamed of, or even a joke.

kidcoelacanth
Sep 23, 2009

I can't believe Fort Knox is out here setting a new low bar for itself, but here we are.

RandomPauI
Nov 24, 2006


Grimey Drawer

Donald Trump's illegitimate son would make his papa proud.

MariusLecter
Sep 5, 2009

NI MUERTE NI MIEDO

FrumpleOrz posted:

Kevin & Kell


If this was a Beastars plot line it would actually lead somewhere interesting and character driven. Alas

Mikl
Nov 8, 2009

Vote shit sandwich or the shit sandwich gets it!

Okay for once I'm on Dustin's dad's side here: gently caress off with your fat shaming.

Unless someone is morbidly obese, body size and shape don't correlate to health very well; there are plenty of fat people who are healthy, and plenty of thin people who are unhealthy. "Being fat" is not a diagnosis. gently caress off.

Green Intern
Dec 29, 2008

Loon, Crazy and Laughable

I swear to god if Brad and Toni somehow end up adopting Ann Eiffel’s baby I am going to poo poo.

Pastry of the Year
Apr 12, 2013

Arlo and Janis



Tina's Groove Classic (November 2, 2008)



Arlo and Janis Classic (November 2, 1998)



Garfield Classic (November 2, 1988)

RandomPauI
Nov 24, 2006


Grimey Drawer

Mikl posted:

Okay for once I'm on Dustin's dad's side here: gently caress off with your fat shaming.

Unless someone is morbidly obese, body size and shape don't correlate to health very well; there are plenty of fat people who are healthy, and plenty of thin people who are unhealthy. "Being fat" is not a diagnosis. gently caress off.

I'm inclined to give the doctor the benefit of the doubt and to assume he's given Ed all sorts of info about morbid obesity by now.

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




Bruceski posted:

I don't know if he's come up before, but "Dr. Spock childhood" is a reference to Dr Benjamin Spock and his book The Common Sense Book of Baby and Child Care. It was a paradigm shift in ideas of how to care for children, mainly contradicting previous ideas that babies should all be treated the same and forced to adjust to a "proper" schedule as soon as possible. Spock's book was more about giving general ideas of a child's needs and motivations at various stages of life and ideas of how to accommodate that, but an emphasis on parents trusting their instincts and changing ideas to fit the child rather than the other way around. I have no idea how the book is regarded today
I know that his theories about sudden infant death syndrom was revealed to be actively harmful.

Mister Kingdom
Dec 14, 2005

And the tears that fall
On the city wall
Will fade away
With the rays of morning light

If old-school Cylons were human.

StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

ah, the eternal dilemma: fatshaming is garbage and you shouldn't do it.....

....but drat if it isn't funny when it happens to Ed, garbage person

also I love that stupid "hello fatty" gif

Shugojin
Sep 6, 2007

THE TAIL THAT BURNS TWICE AS BRIGHT...


StrixNebulosa posted:

ah, the eternal dilemma: fatshaming is garbage and you shouldn't do it.....

....but drat if it isn't funny when it happens to Ed, garbage person

also I love that stupid "hello fatty" gif

otoh Ed Kudlick is exactly the kind of person to go to a doctor who would do this so lol

kidcoelacanth
Sep 23, 2009

Mr. Boop



duz
Jul 11, 2005

Come on Ilhan, lets go bag us a shitpost


RandomPauI posted:

I'm inclined to give the doctor the benefit of the doubt and to assume he's given Ed all sorts of info about morbid obesity by now.

Yeah, there's been multiple previous strips with him saying his doctor keeps telling him to lose weight but he just hates exersize and loves eating cakes.

Good Listener
Sep 2, 2006

Ask me about moons
Fact #1 The Moon is really cool
I don't blame Cayla wanting Les out of the house.

Evil Mastermind
Apr 28, 2008

ukonvasara posted:

In strip time Lisa died over twenty years ago! It's such terrible writing--either Les should've been able to establish some emotional closure by now or the story should be about how he somehow hasn't. This bizarre middle road where everyone's lives still somehow revolve around Lisa's death in a clearly emotionally fraught way but also everybody just acts like that's normal is unsettling.
I was actually just about to ask how long ago in-strip Lisa died. The level of obsession about her death is unbelievable. You'd think she was the first person to ever die of cancer.

I know we've made the joke before about how Batuik can't let this go because it made him "relevant" ages go, but has he ever actually said why he's so hung up on this?

kidcoelacanth
Sep 23, 2009

I think it was ~10 years ago in strip time, but the basic point still stands

Green Intern
Dec 29, 2008

Loon, Crazy and Laughable

I lost my mother-in-law to complications from cancer in January, and Les Moore makes me loving furious.

Kavak
Aug 23, 2009


I lost my mother to cancer two months ago, but I can't really feel anything looking at Funky Winkerbean. It's too divergent from the actual experience of loss and grief- it's like calling Jesus a fatass to offend a Christian.

NRVNQSR
Mar 1, 2009

kidcoelacanth posted:

I think it was ~10 years ago in strip time, but the basic point still stands

The time jump after her death was 10 years, but supposedly the strip progresses in real time and the time jump was 13 years ago.

Time in the Funkyverse works however the writer wants it to work, though, so who knows.

LazyQ
Feb 22, 2011

Mämmilä

Selachian
Oct 9, 2012

Evil Mastermind posted:

I was actually just about to ask how long ago in-strip Lisa died. The level of obsession about her death is unbelievable. You'd think she was the first person to ever die of cancer.

I know we've made the joke before about how Batuik can't let this go because it made him "relevant" ages go, but has he ever actually said why he's so hung up on this?

I think that's all there is to it. The Lisa storyline is what made him think of himself as A Serious Artist, not a mere comic stripper. Remember the story when one of the teachers wants to put on Wit, a play about a woman dying of cancer, and had to argue that it was totally appropriate for high schoolers to do this kind of Serious Art? Totally an analogy for Batiuk fighting against the imaginary critics telling him you can't have a serious plot about cancer in a mere comic strip!

(Of course, the real reason Wit is inappropriate as a high school play is it's a showcase for one actor with a handful of supporting roles, and if you put it on you'd have to deal with a lot of pissed-off parents who want to know why their Billy or Susie got only five minutes on stage.)

It's the same impulse that has led him to retcon away the goofier aspects of Funky's earlier gag strip existence (the hall monitor with a machine gun, etc.). But then, it does seem like a certain strain of humor comics, if they run long enough, collapse into melodrama as the writer tries to be serious and relevant, and funny, at the same time. See also: Ctrl Alt Del, or David Willis -- and I think Ces is skating perilously close with the serious storylines in Sally Forth.

readingatwork
Jan 8, 2009

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kidcoelacanth
Sep 23, 2009

NRVNQSR posted:

The time jump after her death was 10 years, but supposedly the strip progresses in real time and the time jump was 13 years ago.

Time in the Funkyverse works however the writer wants it to work, though, so who knows.

Yeah but I think his kid went off to college not too long after that and she's still there, so the strip's not really progressing "real time". It's moving forward, just very slowly. I hate that I'm thinking about this.

nishi koichi
Feb 16, 2007

everyone feels that way and gives up.
that's how they get away with it.
as someone who still feels the death of a loved one literally decades later (my father died of cancer when i was a kid), winkerbean is a serious insult. he can gently caress off with those tapes, too

Darthemed
Oct 28, 2007

"A data unit?
For me?
"


College Slice
Docks




Retail




Dick


Duck


Evil Mastermind
Apr 28, 2008

Selachian posted:

I think that's all there is to it. The Lisa storyline is what made him think of himself as A Serious Artist, not a mere comic stripper. Remember the story when one of the teachers wants to put on Wit, a play about a woman dying of cancer, and had to argue that it was totally appropriate for high schoolers to do this kind of Serious Art? Totally an analogy for Batiuk fighting against the imaginary critics telling him you can't have a serious plot about cancer in a mere comic strip!
I mean, there was that whole thing where Bull had CTE that made the news outlets and turned out to be a big ball of nothing. That was very transparently a "hey look at me I'm talking about REAL ISSUES" move but nobody really cared because he couldn't follow through with a non-Lisa related issue.

Kavak
Aug 23, 2009


Evil Mastermind posted:

I mean, there was that whole thing where Bull had CTE that made the news outlets and turned out to be a big ball of nothing. That was very transparently a "hey look at me I'm talking about REAL ISSUES" move but nobody really cared because he couldn't follow through with a non-Lisa related issue.

Batiuk had an idea of what to do with Lisa because he'd actually had cancer. He committed to the Bull storyline before he realized he had like a week or two of material and nothing to say besides "CTE am bad". So he went back to worship of Rotfather Nurgle St. Lisa.

EBB
Feb 15, 2005

how the hell did she get so hot

The Bloop
Jul 5, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

EBB posted:

how the hell did she get so hot

Good question, actually. Or at least how did she become a cultural meme of hotness?



Yikes.

Even in the later more on-model stuff, ehhh



She's like a bug with a butt for a face





I really hope her and Mr Boop pull through, though

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Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

I'm still kind of shocked Batuik got a New York Times article about his epic six week football brain injury storyline a sixth of which was about the pizza box monster. That's low effort reporting even by their standards and to this day I doubt anyone there even noticed that Batuik lied to them because it's not like they bothered to read it when it started getting published.

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