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Alhazred posted:Sad trivia fact: They were superduper inbred, like habsurg inbred, and had numerous hereditary illnesses. But yeah, I don't think people fully grasp how ancient Egypt is. When Ptolemy took over (and he again lived several hundred years before Cleopatra) the kingdom was several thousands years old.
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PetraCore posted:I think people are pretty bad at the scale of history in general, especially relating different regions on the time scale. There's a temptation to, I think, lazily classify everything now called 'ancient' as around the same time, Ancient Greece, Ancient Egypt, Ancient China, whatever, without actually looking at the timeline and also the changes in each region over time. I know I'm bad at it, at least.
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curtadams posted:Yeah, it's not like there's a significant amount of resources being spent on the mammoth revival. This is really interesting-- I had no clue mammoths survived for that long. My mammoth story is that when I was in middle school we went on a class field trip to Washington, DC to visit the Smithsonian. My friend wandered off and when he came back hours later he said he'd spent all his field trip money on a hamburger made out of cloned mammoth meat. Anyway-- Ruthless Rhymes For Martial Militants was a relatively short-lived single panel strip that ran from 1913 to 1914. It was written and drawn by the cartoonist Nelson Harding, who would win the Pulitzer Prize for Editorial Cartooning in 1927 and again in 1928-- he was a lifelong political conservative who idolized Charles Lindbergh and depicted leftists and boogeyman Bolsheviks as bomb-throwing, arson-loving seditionists. Ruthless Rhymes is a response to two particular subjects that would have been very timely in 1913, and the overlap between the two is what makes this strip so interesting to me. First is the manifest subject matter of the comic. The Women's Social and Political Union (WSPU) was a UK-based suffragette movement that was founded in 1903 and quickly gained a reputation for taking what seemed to many like drastic measures in their struggle for womens' rights, ranging from hunger strikes to smashing windows and burning down unoccupied houses, on top of conventional actions such as demonstrations and marches. It was helmed and defined by the firebrand Pankhurst family-- Emmaline Pankhurst and her two daughters, Christabel and Sylvia. The WSPU was also incredibly media savvy, and when popular theater latched onto suffragettes as a source of drama, the WSPU was right there to capitalize on that newfound public interest, embracing drama, cartooning, and satirical writing as valuable rhetorical tools. As a personal aside here's a little framed reproduction in my home office of the famous portrait of Christabel Pankhurst and her comrade the feminist-socialist Annie Kenney that was given to me for some reason by one of my favorite professors years ago:  Christabel in particular was a polarizing, complex, and contradictory figure-- she pushed for the group's increasing militancy but also wanted to curate membership to center middle and upper class women. She fought for issues like sexual health education and access to birth control but puzzlingly simultaneously argued that opening the movement up to working class women would water down the fight for votes with other issues. Later in her life she moved to California where she became obsessed with Evangelical Christian doomsday prophecies and was a frequent guest on radio and TV shows to talk about that stuff. As you can imagine Nelson Harding was not a fan, and he mostly takes jabs at what he sees as the absurd gulf between the violent tactics of the WSPU and the (to him) quaint notion of radical female agitators. His vehicle for this is a pastiche of the type of doggerel known as the "Little Willie" poem, which we've seen ITT already. Popularized in the 1890s by Harry Graham writing under the pen-name Col D. Streamer, these poems fundamentally combined one of a handful of simple rhyme schemes with a schema which juxtaposed a shocking act of violence with a bemused or muted response. The really good ones also features some clever wordplay in the stinger but expecting 1890s popular poems to be good is more than the universe is usually willing to provide. The result is that to a modern audience of a certain bent, these strips, despite being almost certainly published as a critique and a mockery of the WSPU, seem sympathetic in their strident representation of women throwing bombs and poisoning tea. I think that for many people in this thread the strips are more likely to elicit a "hell yeah" than an "oh my." Here's the first one, from the 4/2/1913 edition of The Brooklyn Eagle, Harding's home-paper. 
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You dug up a real gem in this one. With the proper context, of course. How To Read 9 Chickweed Lane  11. Amos. (preliminary notes) Amos van Hoesen is the first male character the audience was introduced to when 9CL launched in 1992. Along with the Burber family, he has been a fixed point in the universe, and when the Chickweed universe collapses for the last time, he will be the faithful servant who closes the door. If we're going to chase the idea that Amos, in his current form, is the author self-insert, we have to talk about how the writer/artist of all this met his wife. Brooke McEldowney posted:My wife was a student at The Juilliard School when I first espied her eating a bagel and laughing uproariously at somebody's joke in the cafeteria. The vagaries of class scheduling eventually threw us together in a course on baroque music where, whenever I heard her voice, I would eavesdrop discretely, hers being the kind of voice upon which one pleasurably eavesdropped. In time, I overheard her questioning a teacher on string orchestra repertory, about which I fancied my knowledge to be encyclopedic, and barging in, I disgorged it on the spot. In the pro column: As with all of his public proclamations, he presents himself with an Amos-level vocabulary, and yeah, I guess Amos fell in with a hazel blue gaze of his own. The cons? There's at least one: Amos's presence in Edda Burber's life was a little more primal than that.  In this continuum, there has never been an Edda without an Amos. Five days tops, if you want to be pedantic about it. Even as a retcon, it's a level of predestination that would make the Pope blush. Also, as far as posting this poo poo goes, this is literally where I came in. B. Text. He's not nearly as chinless a twerp as he was presented originally, but the protruding upper lip is the residue of a previous, physically shambolic life. Also, "Winsome." Out of all the single words he could've chosen to cap off his one and only line today, "WINSOME". Sometimes you don't need a wall of text to demonstrate what version of the world your feet are planted in. Sally Forth  Pearls Before Swine  Peanuts (August 25, 1973)  The smirking visage of Funky Winkerbean once again welcomes you to Hell.  Crankshaft  Life (Before Skippy) (August 14, 1924)  Elsewhere in the issue:    (Frank Hanley) EasyEW fucked around with this message at 18:24 on Aug 23, 2020 |
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How Wonderful! posted:
Don't give Holbrook ideas.
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Hagar is looking at a family tree that tells him when he is going to die. Edit. Ah, the names are wrong. Retracted, but that was my first impression. maltesh fucked around with this message at 18:19 on Aug 23, 2020 |
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FrumpleOrz posted:Ella Cinders This strip is normally paced fairly briskly, but it's really started to drag lately. It's great that Ella found her dad and it turns out he's filthy rich and all her dreams are coming true, but you can only stay here at the "weightless point" in the middle of Act Two for so long before the audience gets bored. Without any conflict or plot movement, before too long even the character's quirky charm will start to wear thin and we'll be wanting stuff to start happening again...
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Selachian posted:Edge of May-December Romance Also this story has not been first-person from Sam's perspective, so far as I remember. F Minus  Mark Trail  Mary Worth  The Phantom  Pooch Cafe  Rex Morgan MD  Looks like Rene's back. Andertoons  Flash Gordon 
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Being forced to sit through somebody's vacation slide show used to be a punchline, shorthand for "a terrible evening socializing." Now people do it voluntarily on their own time by scrolling through Facebook and Instagram. This has been my Hard-Hitting Truth Corner™ Somebody fucked around with this message at 19:15 on Jul 26, 2022 |
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DO YOU SEE ME NOW HOLLYWOOD?! PASS ON MY SCRIPT WILL YOU? WELL, THE BATUIK HAS THE LAST LAUGH NOW!
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I just want to point out that Brooke uses the wrong form of discreet to describe his creepy loving eavesdropping. Discrete means "separate/distinct from"
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Daktar posted:I'd really like some of these giant cat landscapes as posters CommonShore posted:On the other hand that dude rebred aurochs from modern cattle in like 3 generations of selective breeding
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Ghostlight posted:Coincidentally, only with a very selective definition of auroch.  This is how I learned about aurochs
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Johnny Walker posted:Mark Trail Making Mark Trail is a hell of a racket. 1963/7/27  2000/8/27  2005/5/8  I guess four times in sixty years isn't that bad. Of course, this is just what turned up in a cursory search.
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coronatae posted:I just want to point out that Brooke uses the wrong form of discreet to describe his creepy loving eavesdropping. Discrete means "separate/distinct from" He talks the way he imagines intelligent people do, and of course misses the mark. It's the same sort of thing as how Donald Trump's decorating style is like a dirt-poor person's imagination of what rich people live like (what with all the ostentatious gold poo poo) which of course ends up merely looking tacky. Brooke may well be a bright guy, and ol' Donald is of course rather wealthy, but they try soooooo haaaaard to LOOK the part that they end up just making asses of themselves.
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StrixNebulosa posted:I'm actually shocked to find out that these are meant to be mocking/derogatory because like, all of them so far (two, but yeah) have been "hell yeah!!! go for it!" so they missed their mark by a mile right? i get the same vibe from this harry grant dart cartoon: 
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StrixNebulosa posted:I'm actually shocked to find out that these are meant to be mocking/derogatory because like, all of them so far (two, but yeah) have been "hell yeah!!! go for it!" so they missed their mark by a mile I mean, have you never seen "Conservative" political cartoons mocking something? They often end up being complimentary to anyone not broke-brained.
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Johnny Aztec posted:I mean, have you never seen "Conservative" political cartoons mocking something? I stay out of the political cartoons thread in general as the topics are too depressing for me but I think I know what you're talking about. "oh no everyone will be gay!!!!!" yes thanks that's a good thing?
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Johnny Walker posted:To be fair, this one is probably the one that is being rerun today. Although in CK's archive it's 8/6/2000 and the weekday strips surrounding it don't match what I've been posting so who knows. The dailies are from 2001. It's a rehash of Rusty's introduction, but with a cat this time and no alcoholic uncles in sight. fake edit: Actually, having skimmed through this story, it occurs to me that if you were, say, looking for a graceful way to end Mark Trail, the way this story wraps up would make for a pretty natural ending to the whole comic. But since when are syndicates interested in sunsetting comics gracefully.
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StrixNebulosa posted:I stay out of the political cartoons thread in general as the topics are too depressing for me but I think I know what you're talking about. "oh no everyone will be gay!!!!!" yes thanks that's a good thing? Yes, exactly. " Oh noooo, equality and justice. The bane of every conservative! what a hellscape it will be!"
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Johnny Aztec posted:Yes, exactly. 
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FrumpleOrz posted:On The Fastrack Conan the Barbarian Sept. 8th- 14th, 1980        Edit: bad posts ahead!!! posted:right? i get the same vibe from this harry grant dart cartoon: Very much. I love this one because, yeah, why not? Sounds good to me.
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Johnny Aztec posted:Yes, exactly. "Look at these two normal, happy families. But one of them has TWO DADS!"(I can't find the comic but I'm not exaggerating, it was almost literally just that) and "here's a couple of sad, downtrodden gay men" would be straight-up pro-equality cartoons without the background context that Asay is a huge homophobe.
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Haifisch posted:Chuck Asay was a terrible person and also the master of this. 
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^^^ some unconscious thought there with how the mother has her eyes closed/narrowed looking out and away from her family, yet the second father is clearly looking down and at their family even though their face is largely hidden.The Bloop posted:
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StrixNebulosa posted:I'm actually shocked to find out that these are meant to be mocking/derogatory because like, all of them so far (two, but yeah) have been "hell yeah!!! go for it!" so they missed their mark by a mile Kate Beaton posted:Happy New Year everyone!
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And He Did. (May 28, 1917) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quoits I'd never heard of it. Outbursts of Everett True (August 14, 1917)  Hitz and Mrs. (April 30, 1923)  Dark Laughter (July 13, 1935, click for big)  “Aw, Officer, He’s Only Playin’” They'll Do It Every Time (February 10, 1941)  I’m rewinding Wee Pals a bit. This is what happens when you’re enjoying a deep dive into African American historical newspapers. Before Wee Pals, there was Dinky Fellas, Turner’s strip in his hometown Berkeley Post and in the Chicago Defender. At the same time, he ran additional strips in the Defender. Reverend Smiley (June 27 & August 1, 1964)   Sepia Smiles (May 30 & June 20, 1964)   I'd be surprised if this title is not an homage to Dark Laughter. Dinky Fellas starts in July of 1964 and from what I can tell, only ran until the end of that year. I can’t find an archive for the Berkeley Post, but I’ve pulled what I can from the Defender. Sources, including Wikipedia and Turner’s obit in The Washington Post mention that Dinky Fellas featured an all-black cast. That’s not true at all. There are a lot of similarities between it and Wee Pals, which premiered in May of 1965.  (July 27, 1964) 
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Kennel posted:Dustin Couldn't you just, like, stand on the table? Or the chair?
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Slammy posted:And He Did. (May 28, 1917) This is really fascinating, thanks for posting it!
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