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Murdstone
Jun 14, 2005



My Lovely Horse posted:

remember, you have a right to decide when you're ready WHICH YOU'RE NOT DON'T DO IT, LUANN WOULDN'T

I quite badly want to read the HIV one.
I found some on the Wayback Machine. They're not terribly interesting, really.



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catlord
Mar 22, 2009

What's on your mind, Axa?

FrumpleOrz posted:

Ella Cinders


That is a fantastic final panel. AV material when things get sorted out.

Edit:


I am supremely not ok with this.

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost
Someone in another thread was mentioning the for better and for worse author, are there any posts that highlight what the heck is going on with that?

Kavak
Aug 23, 2009


That's only a slight exaggeration- it's basically all molars with herbivores.

EasyEW
Mar 8, 2006

I've got my father's great big six-shooter with me 'n' if anybody in this woods wants to start somethin' just let 'em--but they DASSN'T.
Sally Forth





Pearls Before Swine





Skippy (March 10-11, 1933)





Peanuts (September 4-5, 1973)





Back To The Les Moore Wankfest





Crankshaft





How To Skip Out On Unpacking "9 Chickweed Lane" For A Few Days...





Anyone who wants to make a shitload of words about these two, please feel free.

Rip Haywire





Thimble Theater (April 2-3, 1937)





Out Our Way (March 21-23, 1935)





Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



FrumpleOrz posted:

Brewster Rockit Space Guy
Ah, so clearly they aren't zombie cicadas, as cicadas cannot eat or digest grains - their only mouthpart is a straw-like appendage for drinking plant juice.

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011


Rosa used to date TJ? Why would she ever dump TJ to date Gunther instead? Actually, wait, TJ is Brad's age, and Rosa is Luann's age so...technically that might have been statutory rape? No wonder they chose abstinence.

Slammy
Mar 30, 2011

Great speech.
PPHPFT!!
And He Did. (June 18, 1917)


Outbursts of Everett True (August 27, 1917)


Hitz and Mrs. (May 11, 1923)


Dark Laughter (March 7, 1936, click for big)

“Don’t be no fool, Bootsie. Dat island in ‘Mutiny on the Bounty’ is a fake. Dat wuz only movie stuff!”
The film, featuring Charles Laughton, Clark Gable, and some very attractive women, was released in 1935.

They'll Do It Every Time (February 21, 1941)


Patty-Jo ’n’ Ginger (October 13, 1945)

"Look ... While we're waitin' for Ginger to primp, why don't we entertain ourselves with some of these letters I found this morning . . . ?"

Dinky Fellas (August 19, 1964)

I think this one is great, but I couldn't tell you why.

BigDave
Jul 14, 2009

Taste the High Country

EasyEW posted:


Back To The Les Moore Wankfest






"Let's watch the Lisa videotape together in the dark!"

"But why are your pants off"

"I SAID WATCH LISA!!!"

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

Cheer Up Boss Dharma

How Wonderful!
Jul 18, 2006


I only have excellent ideas

BigDave posted:

"Let's watch the Lisa videotape together in the dark!"

"But why are your pants off"

"I SAID WATCH LISA!!!"

ikanreed
Sep 25, 2009

I honestly I have no idea who cannibal[SIC] is and I do not know why I should know.

syq dude, just syq!
Thirteen years. Thirteen loving years of moping about dead cancer wife.

Julet Esqu
May 6, 2007




Some Guy TT posted:

Rosa used to date TJ? Why would she ever dump TJ to date Gunther instead? Actually, wait, TJ is Brad's age, and Rosa is Luann's age so...technically that might have been statutory rape? No wonder they chose abstinence.

No, I'm sure it's two different characters named Rosa. Greg only knows one Latin American woman's name and he forgot he already used it.

Drakyn
Dec 26, 2012




Johnny Walker posted:

I found some on the Wayback Machine. They're not terribly interesting, really.




Starting to feel like I helped unearth something that should not be here. I grew up reading old Archie comics from the mid-'80s and this is the squarest thing I've ever seen.

Endless Mike
Aug 13, 2003




gently caress

His Divine Shadow
Aug 7, 2000

I'm not a fascist. I'm a priest. Fascists dress up in black and tell people what to do.

LazyQ posted:

Mämmilä



If my calculations are correct, ten markka per square meter in 1983 would be 3.83 euro per square meter or 0.42 USD per square foot today.

And it really is a work of generations, the soil in Finland is full of rocks, every goddamnwhere. There really where generations spent on just getting rid of rocks, breaking them up and piling them elsewhere in order to clear land for fields. And then more generations had to be spent to improve the soil quality by having animals live and graze on the fields, adding manure and generating better soil. The fields we got represent literally the work of hundreds, if not a thousand years.

ukonvasara
Aug 16, 2012

a mixture of gravity and waggery

ikanreed posted:

Thirteen years. Thirteen loving years of moping about dead cancer wife.

For the character, 23 years! The thirteen real-time years also included a ten-year time skip.

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




Zelda

Strontium
Aug 28, 2009

Dexter didn't much care for the party.
Daddy Daze


Take It From the Tinkersons


Dark Side of the Horse


Angry Birds

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

The classical Freudian anal sadistic character in its purest form.

Slammy posted:

Dark Laughter (March 7, 1936, click for big)

“Don’t be no fool, Bootsie. Dat island in ‘Mutiny on the Bounty’ is a fake. Dat wuz only movie stuff!”
The film, featuring Charles Laughton, Clark Gable, and some very attractive women, was released in 1935.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFalJyGNGmE&t=99s

This feels like it must contain incredible racism.

Slammy posted:

They'll Do It Every Time (February 21, 1941)


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hat_block

My Lovely Horse
Aug 21, 2010

Johnny Walker posted:

I found some on the Wayback Machine. They're not terribly interesting, really.
hahahahaha

"what could put me at risk" - "well, Luann, having sex, or doing drugs, or even getting a tattoo or a piercing actually you know what, you've got nothing to worry about"

Thanks for digging them up!

e: extremely surprised the Garbage Pail Bar doesn't actually seem to be a thing

My Lovely Horse fucked around with this message at 07:07 on Sep 3, 2020

Zereth
Jul 9, 2003



"dead wife", surely?

Selachian
Oct 9, 2012

Rhymes with Orange



Get Fuzzy 9/2/00



Brenda Starr 12/6/42





Smokey Stover 7/11/37



Wonder who the Rupe mentioned in the fifth panel was.

Also, "Hose say can you see?" is foul even by Holman's nonexistent standards.

Edge of Ineffectiveness



Sam Cooper: Still so very, very useless.

Selachian fucked around with this message at 07:49 on Sep 3, 2020

RandomPauI
Nov 24, 2006


Grimey Drawer

Selachian posted:


Edge of Ineffectiveness



Sam Cooper: Still so very, very useless.

Each one of these feels like a hook to a story that isn't getting written. Like the only way James can keep the reader interested is by promising that the protagonist is going to go on an adventure. If James is doing this intentionally it'd be an amazing example of being meta. It wouldn't be any less dull.

Sundae
Dec 1, 2005

RandomPauI posted:

Each one of these feels like a hook to a story that isn't getting written. Like the only way James can keep the reader interested is by promising that the protagonist is going to go on an adventure. If James is doing this intentionally it'd be an amazing example of being meta. It wouldn't be any less dull.

He’s bringing you to the edge of an adventure. Duh. :downsrim:

Zereth
Jul 9, 2003



Selachian posted:

Edge of Ineffectiveness



Sam Cooper: Still so very, very useless.
... How can he tell? It's not like they left tracks on the water.

How Wonderful!
Jul 18, 2006


I only have excellent ideas

Pick posted:

Someone in another thread was mentioning the for better and for worse author, are there any posts that highlight what the heck is going on with that?

The basic gist is that a lot of people see a lot of evidence of bad or antiquated parenting in the strip. Some of this is just because it's a strip about parenting that's over 40 years old, part of it is because it's a bit of a roman a clef in some ways and some of Lynn Johnston's idiosyncracies pop up in bizarre or worrisome ways.

There are a few things in particularly that come up frequently in this thread-- largely stuff that came up in interviews over the years, in particular weird intersections between her own life and the semi-autobiographical lives of her characters. Primarily, IIRC, there's a plot-line adapting an incident in which her real-life son goes to photograph a fatal car crash (for the school paper?) and only realizes later that he knew the victim, whereas in the comic the victim is his crush and he rescues her. Her son is also gay in real life, while in the comic he goes on to marry the girl he rescued from the crash.

I can't find the interview at the moment, but I remember it coming up in an older iteration of this, where she talks about her anger issues and relates tossing one of her kids out into the snow and locking the door at some point, before getting ahold of herself and letting them back in. She's also talked pretty frankly in interviews about her own childhood in an abusive home and sort of her issues shaking bad habits from that environment, so idk, I don't think any of it is actually particularly funny and ranges from standard goon hyperbole to legitimately sad and shocking things.

I think this all has taken on a life of it's own in relation to For Better or For Worse in particular because it's pretty goofy and has had a bunch of memorably dumb bits over the years-- I remember like, over a decade ago reading some GBS thread about it and seeing this specific strip:

Which is pretty characteristic of her efforts to stay hip and happening. During that period of the late aughts when the strip was in its twilight years (pre-BSS maybe?) there were a ton of memes about the ongoing melodramatic plots which I think have lingered around.

Hopefully somebody more invested in FBofW can correct me on anything I flubbed and fill in some of the gaps-- it's really bugging me that I can't find the quote about throwing her child into the snow.

Anyway, here's a 2008 blog post in which Alison Bechdel loses her patience at the whole affair.

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



https://www.hoganmag.com/blog/the-lynn-johnston-interview

usually only the second paragraph is the quoted part

quote:

Heintjes: This was Doug, the man who gave you Aaron?

Johnston: Yes, and when I had Aaron, he left me, and I didn’t know how to raise a child. And I wasn’t close to my parents, and because I was too proud to go to my parents for help, I mistreated that little baby. I didn’t want a baby. I wanted the stability that a family was supposed to represent. And a baby can’t say, “Thanks, Mom, for feeding me and keeping me warm and dry even though I screamed my lungs out all night last night.” And they want and they want and they want and they want. The only satisfaction you have is that they’re fed and they’re warm and they’re safe and they’re thriving, and they smile at you every once in a while. They’re not going to thank you until they’re 45 [laughter].

I remember once when he was very unhappy and he was screaming and screaming, and I threw him out into a snow bank in his pajamas. This was in Ontario, and it was not warm here. And he put his hands against the window of the front door, pleading to be let in. And I was inside, screaming at him, “If you don’t want to sleep all night, you can friggin’ sleep outside!” And this was a teeny baby. And I don’t know what it was—it was almost like at that moment, my guardian angel put his hand on my shoulder and said, “Open the door.”

The next morning, I called a very good friend of mine who was working at the hospital. I had also been doing some work for this hospital on a freelance basis. And I said to my friend, “I need some help. I don’t known how to parent.” Now, you say to yourself, “I’m a mature adult—I should know how to parent.” But raising a child is not like training a dog. [laughter] I was not a sensible mother. I just didn’t know what I was supposed to do. I didn’t know about time out. I didn’t know to say, “OK, we’re both out of control, let’s have time out for five minutes and calm down.”

I was in a very unhappy situation. I was lonely, I was single, and I had all the elements set against me. I had no support. And it didn’t help that I had a very irritable, difficult child. He’s going to go into the theater [laughter]. He’s a performer. He’s witty. He could go into stand-up comedy. He’s taken all his anger and turned it into something creative.

How Wonderful!
Jul 18, 2006


I only have excellent ideas

Ghostlight posted:

https://www.hoganmag.com/blog/the-lynn-johnston-interview

usually only the second paragraph is the quoted part

Oh, thank you. I think that whether you like FBofW or not it's a pretty interesting interview and worth perusing.

Mikl
Nov 8, 2009

Vote shit sandwich or the shit sandwich gets it!

FrumpleOrz posted:

Kevin & Kell


Lindesfarne was 17 at the beginning of the strip (which was exactly twenty-five years ago today, on September 3rd, 1995!), so she aged at about one in-comic year per three normal years.

Only the strip had the normal number of Thanksgivings, Christmases, and so on, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ (This is normal for comic strips, by the way, I'm just pointing it out.)



Classic Kevin and Kell (June 17-21, 1996)





Tiggum
Oct 24, 2007

Your life and your quest end here.


I must admit, I do enjoy how incredibly dumb Luann is in these.

Selachian posted:

Brenda Starr 12/6/42
I don't know why, but I'm quite enjoying these.

My Lovely Horse
Aug 21, 2010

Ghostlight posted:

https://www.hoganmag.com/blog/the-lynn-johnston-interview

usually only the second paragraph is the quoted part
honestly much of the thing about Foob is that if you know this story you spot so many drat strips you can easily edit into a reference, it's like loss.jpg. With a hint of "I built these doors but do they call me Joe the Doorbuilder?"

But it's also that the kind of family life depicted in the strip is presented as the regular ups and downs of daily family life with all its squabbles, something to chuckle knowingly at, but actually portrays chillingly unhealthy interpersonal dynamics if viewed with the slightest bit of distance; we're viewing it from 40 years away, and it kind of shows up in other family comics of the time too - Calvin's parents are very shouty even if you do account for Calvin being very stressful - but never quite that consistently and thoroughly.

Zereth
Jul 9, 2003



Yeah, like she never seems to draw herself being miffed with her kids, or other low-intensity dissatisfaction levels. She's always smoulderingly furious.

Pastry of the Year
Apr 12, 2013

Arlo and Janis



Tina's Groove Classic (January 16, 2009)



Arlo and Janis Classic (January 16, 1999)



Garfield Classic (January 16, 1989)

Gravitas Shortfall
Jul 17, 2007

Utility is seven-eighths
Proximity.

FrumpleOrz posted:

Kevin & Kell


Sluggy Freelance and User Friendly both started in late 1997, which means they're turning 23 this year.

They both should have been shot 15 years ago.

Shneak
Mar 6, 2015

A sad Professor Plum
sitting on a toilet.

EasyEW posted:

Back To The Les Moore Wankfest





:sever:

Shugojin
Sep 6, 2007

THE TAIL THAT BURNS TWICE AS BRIGHT...


Yeah I really wonder why the woman is worried that her husband who spends all his time thinking about another woman would betray her

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

His Divine Shadow posted:

And it really is a work of generations, the soil in Finland is full of rocks, every goddamnwhere. There really where generations spent on just getting rid of rocks, breaking them up and piling them elsewhere in order to clear land for fields. And then more generations had to be spent to improve the soil quality by having animals live and graze on the fields, adding manure and generating better soil. The fields we got represent literally the work of hundreds, if not a thousand years.

Just a small portion of them, though. Our population has been so small and agriculture so basic until very lately that field area in Finland quadrupled in 1850-1910 when government started paying farmers for drying up swamps and other improvements were introduced. After that farmed area has roughly doubled (even though some of the best farmland was lost in WW2).

amigolupus
Aug 25, 2017

Another thing about For Better or For Worse is that a lot of the time, Lynn loses he poo poo toward her kids for some really minor poo poo. The way she just yells at the kids at the top of her lungs and blames them for acting up or inconveniencing her paints the whole thing as pretty abusive. I think there was even a strip where Lynn yelled at her newborn baby for crying that was posted in this thread a month ago.

Mikl posted:

Lindesfarne was 17 at the beginning of the strip (which was exactly twenty-five years ago today, on September 3rd, 1995!), so she aged at about one in-comic year per three normal years.

How old was Rudy at the start of the strip, 12 or 13? It's extremely loving lazy of Holbrook that Rudy's supposed to be 20 but he hasn't grown a single inch, much less changed his outfit.

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Mikl
Nov 8, 2009

Vote shit sandwich or the shit sandwich gets it!

amigolupus posted:

How old was Rudy at the start of the strip, 12 or 13? It's extremely loving lazy of Holbrook that Rudy's supposed to be 20 but he hasn't grown a single inch, much less changed his outfit.

Thirteen, I think. Which would mean he's now twenty-one. And of course Bruno, Fiona, and all their classmates are all the same age (give or take a year), and they are all either in college or have careers.

Gravitas Shortfall posted:

Sluggy Freelance and User Friendly both started in late 1997, which means they're turning 23 this year.

They both should have been shot 15 years ago.

Shlock Mercenary started in 2000, and ended a month and a half ago.

But :thejoke: of that strip is that, before it was syndicated in newspapers, Kevin and Kell originally started as a webcomic; its website's tagline is even "the world's longest running daily webcomic." (Which isn't technically true, because it wouldn't become daily -- seven days a week, not skipping weekends -- until a few years into its run, when other daily webcomics had already begun.)

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