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Mambo No. 5
Feb 24, 2009

Admiral Parry "Terror" Sornis,
Dead Birds Society



25 yards, I was tuning in the adjustable gas plug and it was the only opening on the line when I got there. I had fun though.

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Longhair
Dec 19, 2005
*SLAM* BITCH!

Mambo No. 5 posted:





I'm bad a taking pics down sights.

Ortonville DNR range on Sawmill Rd?

Mambo No. 5
Feb 24, 2009

Admiral Parry "Terror" Sornis,
Dead Birds Society



Hell yeah! Do you shoot there?

Longhair
Dec 19, 2005
*SLAM* BITCH!

Mambo No. 5 posted:

Hell yeah! Do you shoot there?

Yep, I'm just a little east in Oxford. Nice range for rifles.

Mambo No. 5
Feb 24, 2009

Admiral Parry "Terror" Sornis,
Dead Birds Society



I drive through Ox to get there. I live in Romeo. My brother-in-law told me about the range and I love it. I hope Macomb County gets a DNR range or at least a decent public outdoor range.

Edit: how difficult should it be to adjust the front sight of an sks with the little press tool? I tried to move it today and it didn't budge.

Mambo No. 5 fucked around with this message at 01:27 on Feb 25, 2020

Longhair
Dec 19, 2005
*SLAM* BITCH!

Mambo No. 5 posted:

I drive through Ox to get there. I live in Romeo. My brother-in-law told me about the range and I love it. I hope Macomb County gets a DNR range or at least a decent public outdoor range.

Edit: how difficult should it be to adjust the front sight of an sks with the little press tool? I tried to move it today and it didn't budge.

Sorry I don't have any advice re: sks front sight, don't have one of those. My fav local indoor range is just a lil south of you in Shelby Twp, Close Quarters Tactical. Rifle and pistol on the same lanes, good when the weather sucks. Bald Mountain in Lake Orion is another good outdoor range run by DNR. Similar in many ways to Ortonville, but a bit busier. Only goes to 100yd for rifles, but doesn't have the 6 loaded round restriction that Ortonville does. I've shot most of the DNR ranges and indoor public/gun store ranges in the Detroit metro area and those 3 are by far my favorites. Ortonville for rifles, Bald Mountain for rifles and pistols when the weather is good, and CCT for pistols year round and ARs/PPCs when it's cold and lovely outside.

Mambo No. 5
Feb 24, 2009

Admiral Parry "Terror" Sornis,
Dead Birds Society



In a rare shoot-twice-in-a-month moment, I was at CQT last night with my BiL. I haven't been out to Bald Mountain because I figure if I'm going to drive 30 minutes, I might as well drive 40 and save $11 to shoot. I've been to North Macomb Sportsman's Club for non shooting reasons and I really wish they were open to the public. Their facility is super nice. I also really want to start a public outdoor range but coming up with capital is my biggest hurdle. Well, that and finding a property where neighbors won't be mad about shooting from 10 - 5 daily.

Nasty Old Randy
Sep 5, 2017

Im Nasty


In Iowa people legally cant do anything about noise if a range is public. Doesnt stop them from bitching though.

Somebody Awful
Nov 27, 2011

BORN TO DIE
HAIG IS A FUCK
Kill Em All 1917
I am trench man
410,757,864,530 SHELLS FIRED




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTRKcT68uJI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9qykXIEOwo

Welp, now I want one.

Lightbulb Out
Apr 28, 2006

slack jawed yokel


Nasty Old Randy posted:

In Iowa people legally cant do anything about noise if a range is public. Doesnt stop them from bitching though.

Our public range in IA had some major changes after there were complaints of rounds going over the berms. They also changed it to a paid range(or membership for much less) and it really has kept it quite nice.

DeesGrandpa
Oct 21, 2009




The surrender pistol idea is stupid but I also totally disagree with Ian's take that it's a safe pistol. It's a firearm easily and repeatedly capable of firing without pulling the trigger, and one issued widely to troops, many of whom likely did not get a ton of training on them. It's a dumb design that could have easily been fixed through adding in a cover to the design or bolting one on later.

Would still like one and the type 14, they're pretty neat.

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006

Behind every great engineer is someone just hoping the "genius" doesn't bankrupt everyone.



DeesGrandpa posted:

The surrender pistol idea is stupid but I also totally disagree with Ian's take that it's a safe pistol. It's a firearm easily and repeatedly capable of firing without pulling the trigger, and one issued widely to troops, many of whom likely did not get a ton of training on them. It's a dumb design that could have easily been fixed through adding in a cover to the design or bolting one on later.

Would still like one and the type 14, they're pretty neat.

I haven't watched the video, but is he saying that it's safe from that perspective? Most of the people I see claim that they're unsafe think they're unsafe to fire. I get it not being good for an issue weapon, but they're safe to take to the range if you're into old guns.

Usually when I think "unsafe" in relation to milsurp I think "might embed pieces of the frame in your skull."

Stravag
Jun 7, 2009



The sear bar is flush with the slide the only way to get it to go off is to have a mag in it (he said it has a mag safety too) with a round chambered and the safety off and then push with enough force to turn ians thumb red from pressure on the sear which is less than 1/8 inch. A glock is more dangerous to carry loaded

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006

Behind every great engineer is someone just hoping the "genius" doesn't bankrupt everyone.



Stravag posted:

The sear bar is flush with the slide the only way to get it to go off is to have a mag in it (he said it has a mag safety too) with a round chambered and the safety off and then push with enough force to turn ians thumb red from pressure on the sear which is less than 1/8 inch. A glock is more dangerous to carry loaded

Well, the bit about the pressure required isn't really material. Most of the anecdotes you hear about the gun being dangerous involve vehicle crew who push the weapon up against the side of the airplane or whatever. The amount of pressure that turns Ian's thumb red might be uncomfortable to just do with your thumb, but it's also probably well within the realm of what might happen if you bump your holster into a protruding bit of tank or jeep or whatever hard.

I mean, it's worth noting that the Luger has a (much smaller, admittedly) external transfer bar as well and covers it with a little plate that locks in place.

Well, the whole bar isn't covered, but interestingly enough it's kind of hinged so that the middle has to lift AWAY from the frame to drop the striker. There is a bit that has to be pressed down, and that's the part that is covered by the plate. It's over all a fiddly way to do it, but it's safe against a strike from the side setting it off.

chitoryu12
Apr 23, 2014



I've seen other people do it on the Nambu, and it always seems to require a lot more pressure than a casual bump could ever cause even on a hard surface. There's likely a mechanical inefficiency with friction and/or the direction the bar has to move that makes it hard to push on from the outside. This is actually how Blish thought his theory on different metals rubbing each other actually worked: he had accidentally made a lock for the Thompson that just had a lot of mechanical inefficiency through friction and the shape of the parts and thought it must have been the bronze-on-steel interaction causing friction to increase against the laws of physics.

Mambo No. 5
Feb 24, 2009

Admiral Parry "Terror" Sornis,
Dead Birds Society



New bolt sleeve is here. I bought one with no markings and in the white. It looks identical so I'm not sure if it will make a difference. It's also gunked up so it'll sit in some ATF over night to loosen the crud. Getting a look at the old one in better light, there looks to be two tiny eagles with numbers under them on it. 26 under one, and a 4 or 5 digit string under the other. Too small for me to make out but kind of looks like W2A2B.

Somebody Awful
Nov 27, 2011

BORN TO DIE
HAIG IS A FUCK
Kill Em All 1917
I am trench man
410,757,864,530 SHELLS FIRED




Waffenamt stamps, indicating a Nazi produced part.

Mambo No. 5
Feb 24, 2009

Admiral Parry "Terror" Sornis,
Dead Birds Society



Ha, I figured that's what they meant. So there has to be some level of interchangeablility. The new sleeve doesn't want to thread into the bolt even though the threads line up with the old one. I must be missing something.

DeesGrandpa
Oct 21, 2009



Got another repro M1 carbine stock, this time from Numrich. Fits well, the stock is fairly tight in the open position, and aside from of course not being as worn as the carbine itself it looks fine. It's hard to describe just how compact this already compact rifle now is, and it fits in my light camping Patagucci duffel bag. Really need to find a reliable donor carbine for this thing so I can just abandon the AR as a practical thing all together.

Thermos
Mar 29, 2019



https://www.icollector.com/Browning-1935-High-Power-No-1-Mk1-Handgun_i35999049

"Chamber has lumps"

wheres my beer
Apr 29, 2004


Tryin' to catch me ridin' dirty


Fun Shoe


Y I K E S

my kinda ape
Sep 15, 2008

Everything's gonna be A-OK


Oven Wrangler


Oh boy I can get a third gun with a hosed up chamber!!

madeintaipei
Jul 13, 2012



my kinda ape posted:

Oh boy I can get a third gun with a hosed up chamber!!

The Brownell's barrel dropped straight into my MKII 1/2, FWIW. Can that thing be exported to the States with stock in that condition? Make a proto-hush-puppy with a stocked, suppressed BHP.

Captain Log
Oct 2, 2006

Captain Log posted:

"I AINT DYING! Choo choo motherfucker!"





Thank God it can shoot out to one thousand yards! Or meters! Or whatever!

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006

Behind every great engineer is someone just hoping the "genius" doesn't bankrupt everyone.



Interesting thread over on the K98k forum with a guy who thought he scored a great gun show find of a K98k sniper only to have people that know an insane amount about these guns spot all the really clear signs (to people who know this poo poo) that it was a fake: http://www.k98kforum.com/showthread.php?39971-CE-44-LSR-Sniper-Gunshow-Find

Interesting read and it's a good primer on the sort of things that you need to familiarize yourself with if you want to get into the higher ends of milsurp with poo poo like snipers, all matching German rifles etc. Note that it doesn't mean that it's impossible, you just have to start educating yourself and put in some (a lot of) hours reading specialist forums and looking at pictures of known good examples.

Me, with German stuff specifically I tend to just go for single part mismatches on anything too valuable. Lots of bolt mismatches in my collection. Way, WAY fewer people faking that poo poo, because the big 'all matching' premium is already gone. I'm sure I'll get a all matching oberndorf K98k eventually (and probably sell my bolt m/m at that point) but then again I've spent way too long scrutinizing those rifles so I can probably do so relatively safely.

Thermos
Mar 29, 2019



Oof, that sucks. "The expensive gun you bought is not only a fake, but it's liable to explode when fired." Double oof.

flightless greeb
Jan 28, 2016



Hey thanks for posting that. As you know I'm interested in snipers but know enough to never try to buy a real one. Idk if you read thru the whole thread but eventually no less than Dave Roberts came in to say he thinks it's actually real and a possible early LSR prototype. Most seem to disagree with him but apparently quite a few people were PMing the original poster to buy so there may be something there.

Essentially the grand picture I get is even experts have a hard time with some of these guns because Germany kind of did things slap dash with regressions and several different types of sniper system with little uniformity between makers, plus there is essentially no original documentation covering the process.

Honestly the only way I'd ever buy a German sniper is if it's advertised as fake in the ad (They mention RIA just sold a known fake LSR for $6100 so fakes can still very much be collectible) or else I'd want to hire someone like Dave Roberts to vet the gun for me. The waters are just too treacherous otherwise.

Somebody Awful
Nov 27, 2011

BORN TO DIE
HAIG IS A FUCK
Kill Em All 1917
I am trench man
410,757,864,530 SHELLS FIRED




Beetle once posted a similar cautionary tale about a faked rare 1911. Anyone got a link to that?

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006

Behind every great engineer is someone just hoping the "genius" doesn't bankrupt everyone.



flightless greeb posted:

Hey thanks for posting that. As you know I'm interested in snipers but know enough to never try to buy a real one. Idk if you read thru the whole thread but eventually no less than Dave Roberts came in to say he thinks it's actually real and a possible early LSR prototype. Most seem to disagree with him but apparently quite a few people were PMing the original poster to buy so there may be something there.

I'm super wary of this kind of thing, mostly because the K98k collector community in particular has a bad history with faked poo poo getting vetted by high profile collectors and there being years of "well, there's this one super rare exception" until someone else does the research to figure out that no, it was just a fake from the 70s. Dave Roberts knows way more about that poo poo than I do, and probably more than anyone else in that thread, but hoo boy famous experts have been wrong on this poo poo before. Basically the water is muddy enough that I don't choose to swim in it.

The other thing that doesn't help is that some of the higher end collectors hoard their knowledge, don't share it, and then it dies with them. That's less of an issue today than it was 20 or 30 years ago, but it's still a problem with some of the really old guys.

Incidentally, this poo poo is why I jumped at those m91/30 snipers a few years ago. Something being imported? Yeah, that's about as guaranteed as you're going to get these days. Once it gets to the US and provenance gets murky you can't assume anything.

madeintaipei
Jul 13, 2012



Cyrano4747 posted:

Incidentally, this poo poo is why I jumped at those m91/30 snipers a few years ago. Something being imported? Yeah, that's about as guaranteed as you're going to get these days. Once it gets to the US and provenance gets murky you can't assume anything.

I remember you saying that and a bunch of us jumping on the deal before they sold out.

Import marks are standardized by placement, style, and depth of engraving. With more recently imported arms, that might be a good tool for weeding out of fakes.

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006

Behind every great engineer is someone just hoping the "genius" doesn't bankrupt everyone.



madeintaipei posted:

I remember you saying that and a bunch of us jumping on the deal before they sold out.

Import marks are standardized by placement, style, and depth of engraving. With more recently imported arms, that might be a good tool for weeding out of fakes.

Well, it's also about how we know where those guns came from. At least I do. The second I pass it on to someone else they've got to do their due diligence to make sure i'm actually selling them a real m91/30 sniper and not a regular 'ol m91/30 I put a repro stock on, or one of the de-snipered m91/30 snipers that came in with the various regular mosins back in the day that someone added a scope back onto.

BrianM87
Oct 30, 2006
I keep missing. Are you sure the bullets work?

How dare you start spilling secrets of the sniper notch for people to make informed decisions!

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

I ate too much crab and transformed into this.



Cyrano4747 posted:

I'm sure I'll get a all matching oberndorf K98k eventually (and probably sell my bolt m/m at that point)

Donít forget your friends when that day comes.

LimburgLimbo
Feb 10, 2008

One day I will be happy
every day


Cyrano4747 posted:

Interesting thread over on the K98k forum with a guy who thought he scored a great gun show find of a K98k sniper only to have people that know an insane amount about these guns spot all the really clear signs (to people who know this poo poo) that it was a fake: http://www.k98kforum.com/showthread.php?39971-CE-44-LSR-Sniper-Gunshow-Find

Interesting read and it's a good primer on the sort of things that you need to familiarize yourself with if you want to get into the higher ends of milsurp with poo poo like snipers, all matching German rifles etc. Note that it doesn't mean that it's impossible, you just have to start educating yourself and put in some (a lot of) hours reading specialist forums and looking at pictures of known good examples.

Me, with German stuff specifically I tend to just go for single part mismatches on anything too valuable. Lots of bolt mismatches in my collection. Way, WAY fewer people faking that poo poo, because the big 'all matching' premium is already gone. I'm sure I'll get a all matching oberndorf K98k eventually (and probably sell my bolt m/m at that point) but then again I've spent way too long scrutinizing those rifles so I can probably do so relatively safely.

Come for the technical details, stay for the drama

LordOfThePants
Sep 25, 2002



A couple of folks in here got CMP 1911's right?

I sent in my packet and heard absolutely nothing from them. I figured I had forgotten to check a box or something and they just threw it out.

They called me today. I haven't called them back yet because it was after they were closed when I got the VM.

Kind of on the fence about buying one. I'm leaning towards getting one even though I'm trying to save up some cash to build a new shop on my property. I seem to recall the couple of folks who had them were generally happy with the quality they received?

Somebody Awful
Nov 27, 2011

BORN TO DIE
HAIG IS A FUCK
Kill Em All 1917
I am trench man
410,757,864,530 SHELLS FIRED




BrianM87 posted:

How dare you start spilling secrets of the sniper notch for people to make informed decisions!

*Posts all the sniper notches*

DeesGrandpa
Oct 21, 2009



LordOfThePants posted:

A couple of folks in here got CMP 1911's right?

I sent in my packet and heard absolutely nothing from them. I figured I had forgotten to check a box or something and they just threw it out.

They called me today. I haven't called them back yet because it was after they were closed when I got the VM.

Kind of on the fence about buying one. I'm leaning towards getting one even though I'm trying to save up some cash to build a new shop on my property. I seem to recall the couple of folks who had them were generally happy with the quality they received?

If you get a rack grade and dont like it I'll happily give you what you paid for it. They're neat.

e: mine, don't know if it was service or field

DeesGrandpa fucked around with this message at 00:52 on Mar 5, 2020

armorer
Aug 6, 2012

I like metal.

LordOfThePants posted:

A couple of folks in here got CMP 1911's right?

I sent in my packet and heard absolutely nothing from them. I figured I had forgotten to check a box or something and they just threw it out.

They called me today. I haven't called them back yet because it was after they were closed when I got the VM.

Kind of on the fence about buying one. I'm leaning towards getting one even though I'm trying to save up some cash to build a new shop on my property. I seem to recall the couple of folks who had them were generally happy with the quality they received?

Wow yeah I never heard anything from them either. I wonder if they'll still call me?

Somebody Awful
Nov 27, 2011

BORN TO DIE
HAIG IS A FUCK
Kill Em All 1917
I am trench man
410,757,864,530 SHELLS FIRED




Just got word that my copy of Chassepot to FAMAS has shipped.

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Action-Bastard
Jan 1, 2008



Somebody Awful posted:

Just got word that my copy of Chassepot to FAMAS has shipped.

Pics when it arrives, I strongly considered getting it but the price tag beat out my interest in the end. (Not much of a French collector).

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