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DeesGrandpa
Oct 21, 2009



Mambo No. 5 posted:

The new (to me) M1 is here! A box post by me.

So this thing has been at my house since about noon EST.



Look at it. Just sitting there. Hmm... looks a little bigger than the last one. Oh well, let's cut to the chase.



I really need to get a bayonet for this kind of work.



Huh, that's new. A lot less tan than last time.



Oh dang. This thing is the Cadillac of platic hardcases.



I thought they said there would be pitting, this thing looks almost as good as the field grade I bought last year.



Alas, theres goo on the bolt. The gunk feels kind of like crayon residue, probably a dry lubricant of some kind?

Anyway, it's a perfect mixmaster. The floorplate and latch are H&R, the receiver is SA, and the barrel is brand new. I'm super pleased with it so far. Now to get it out to a range. Almost forgot, it came with a sling! Also, I have a gas plug on the way. The other M1 will be moving to the back of the safe to sit for probaly about 16 years, till the boy is old enough.

Got a few pics of the whole thing?

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blugu64
Jul 17, 2006

Do you realize that fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous communist plot we have ever had to face?

Is that a Boydís stock?

wheres my beer
Apr 29, 2004


Tryin' to catch me ridin' dirty


Fun Shoe

blugu64 posted:

Is that a Boydís stock?

given the cleanness of the wood and the CMP stamp, looks like it.

DeesGrandpa
Oct 21, 2009



the rack special graded rifles were, IIRC, criterion barrels, CMP wood, and in theory with a pitted receiver but most have been pretty decent. I wanna gamble on a field grade but a more or less guaranteed shooter with wood I don't give a gently caress about really fits in with my beater garand wishes.

Captain Log
Oct 2, 2006

Captain Log posted:

"I AINT DYING! Choo choo motherfucker!"




What is a Boyd stock?

Beardless
Aug 12, 2011

I am Centurion Titus Polonius. And the only trouble I've had is that nobody seem to realize that I'm their superior officer.


Captain Log posted:

What is a Boyd stock?

Boyds is a stock maker, a lot of CMP Garands come with reproduction stocks made by them.

Captain Log
Oct 2, 2006

Captain Log posted:

"I AINT DYING! Choo choo motherfucker!"




Beardless posted:

Boyds is a stock maker, a lot of CMP Garands come with reproduction stocks made by them.

So a Boyd's is a repro? Is that type of stock value adding or decreasing?

DeesGrandpa
Oct 21, 2009



Captain Log posted:

So a Boyd's is a repro? Is that type of stock value adding or decreasing?

It's a repro. Many of the rifles the CMP are selling now are returns from areas where storage conditions (water and termites) were not ideal. This led to the need for replacement stocks, and in some cases barrels.

flightless greeb
Jan 28, 2016



If that's not clear, repro parts generally reduce the value of historical guns.

DeesGrandpa
Oct 21, 2009



flightless greeb posted:

If that's not clear, repro parts generally reduce the value of historical guns.

I don't know that that's entirely accurate on these. From the accounts I've heard, the wood on a lot of these rack grade specials was utterly trashed, and the CMP wood on the rack grade specials brought them into a shootable condition. OG wood is great as long as it's sound, but once it isn't that's a bummer.

wheres my beer
Apr 29, 2004


Tryin' to catch me ridin' dirty


Fun Shoe

Surplus M1 stocks aren't hard to come by at the moment.

That said, I don't hate the CMP reproduction wood in the slightest. It's nice that it comes stamped from a government agency and gives your gun a little provenance. Of course, I'd try to get some surplus wood together so you can have yourself an OG playset too.

wheres my beer fucked around with this message at 05:08 on Feb 5, 2020

flightless greeb
Jan 28, 2016



DeesGrandpa posted:

I don't know that that's entirely accurate on these. From the accounts I've heard, the wood on a lot of these rack grade specials was utterly trashed, and the CMP wood on the rack grade specials brought them into a shootable condition. OG wood is great as long as it's sound, but once it isn't that's a bummer.

That's a fair point and while I'd never own one of these CMP specials myself it's good that they've found a way to get the gun into working order rather than just selling them as parts kits etc. In 20-30 years I imagine real service grades from the CMP and probably even Field Grades etc will be worth more than the ones with repro stocks on them, but then again I assume the ones with repro parts are cheaper.

Somebody Awful
Nov 27, 2011

BORN TO DIE
HAIG IS A FUCK
Kill Em All 1917
I am trench man
410,757,864,530 SHELLS FIRED




Captain Log posted:

So a Boyd's is a repro? Is that type of stock value adding or decreasing?

If the quality of mine was representative, definitely decreasing.

Mambo No. 5
Feb 24, 2009

Admiral Parry "Terror" Sornis,
Dead Birds Society



DeesGrandpa posted:

Got a few pics of the whole thing?

I'll get more pics when my two year old isn't trying to steal all of the parts and calling the op rod spring a web shooter, lol.

DeesGrandpa posted:

the rack special graded rifles were, IIRC, criterion barrels, CMP wood, and in theory with a pitted receiver but most have been pretty decent. I wanna gamble on a field grade but a more or less guaranteed shooter with wood I don't give a gently caress about really fits in with my beater garand wishes.

I got this one to be my beater. My other one is a field grade. It doesn't have original wood, but it has USGI wood and was refinished by the army in '65. I figure my kid will get both of them eventually, but I plan to give hime the more collectable of the two when he turns 18. Back to the M1, I was kind of hoping for a receiver with some scars on it so I could fill them in with something colorful then clear coat it or something blasphemous. I'm thinking about getting the mount and a red dot for it too.

Somebody Awful
Nov 27, 2011

BORN TO DIE
HAIG IS A FUCK
Kill Em All 1917
I am trench man
410,757,864,530 SHELLS FIRED




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yldR9KHngHc

Today Ian talks about the time Italy tried to screw over Ethiopia with a deceptive treaty and Ethiopia kicked Italy's rear end.

Thermos
Mar 29, 2019



https://www.gunpost.ca/firearms/rifles/windsor/severely-bubbaed-ag-m42b-ljungman-65-x-55-mm

Another hosed up Ljungman for your viewing pleasure. At least this guy is aware of it.

22 Eargesplitten
Oct 10, 2010




Somebody Awful posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yldR9KHngHc

Today Ian talks about the time Italy tried to screw over Ethiopia with a deceptive treaty and Ethiopia kicked Italy's rear end.

Is this related to when Ethiopia tricked all of the major colonial powers into believing they were volunteering to become a vassal state so they would get modern weaponry and then used four or five countries worth of military aid to maintain their independence? That was pretty much the only bright spot in the colonialism section of the college history class I took.

Mambo No. 5
Feb 24, 2009

Admiral Parry "Terror" Sornis,
Dead Birds Society



Thermos posted:

https://www.gunpost.ca/firearms/rifles/windsor/severely-bubbaed-ag-m42b-ljungman-65-x-55-mm

Another hosed up Ljungman for your viewing pleasure. At least this guy is aware of it.

Too bad the ATF won't let me import that, Windsor is just south of me a hop, skip, and a jump.

wheres my beer
Apr 29, 2004


Tryin' to catch me ridin' dirty


Fun Shoe

Mambo No. 5 posted:

Too bad the ATF won't let me import that, Windsor is just south of me a hop, skip, and a jump.

They would but you need to be an importer. Also, I didn't realize Cyrano's dad was a Canadian.

Thermos
Mar 29, 2019



Are they that expensive in the states? For a couple hundo more you could get a mint one here.

Mambo No. 5
Feb 24, 2009

Admiral Parry "Terror" Sornis,
Dead Birds Society



Yeah and you guys have chinese knock off m14s in 7.62×39. Quit rubbing it in. Keep rubbing it in.

Fearless
Sep 3, 2003

DRINK MORE MOXIE




Mambo No. 5 posted:

Yeah and you guys have chinese knock off m14s in 7.62×39. Quit rubbing it in. Keep rubbing it in.

Don't take that from us. We have so little to rub in.

Thermos
Mar 29, 2019



Fearless posted:

Don't take that from us. We have so little to rub in.

They don't have to, our government is going to do that

Fearless
Sep 3, 2003

DRINK MORE MOXIE




Thermos posted:

They don't have to, our government is going to do that

I love getting to choose between a selection of terrible options as a part of our electoral process.

Somebody Awful
Nov 27, 2011

BORN TO DIE
HAIG IS A FUCK
Kill Em All 1917
I am trench man
410,757,864,530 SHELLS FIRED




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85dnQ9mYdf8

HEY CYRANO BUY THIS GUN TOO

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006

Behind every great engineer is someone just hoping the "genius" doesn't bankrupt everyone.



Apex has USGI M1 Carbine mags for $15. Lowest I've seen actual USGI in a bit.

Prof. Banks
Apr 22, 2015

Computer lab day! Time to spend 45 minutes trying to load pokemon.com!




Those are some rough looking mags.

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006

Behind every great engineer is someone just hoping the "genius" doesn't bankrupt everyone.



The real thing to look at is the lugs at the back. My best carbine mag has like five percent finish left and pitting all up one side. Looks like it sat in a mud puddle for a few months and after that lived in a rotating drum full of sand. But the lugs are fine and it feeds like a champ.

Meanwhile Iíve got a beautiful mag with near immaculate finish but one sheared off lug so rounds donít feed at the right angle and it doesnít work for poo poo.

Thereís no good way to sort for that when ordering online, just make sure to inspect the lugs when you get them and return any that are defective.

Super 3
Dec 31, 2007

Sometimes the powers you get are shit.


LGS had a BYF K98 for $1k up on the wall. Stock looked good, finish was decent, barrel was shiny but the lands weren't very sharp. Serials appeared to all match but the numbers on the bolt seemed a bit sloppy. I don't remember any marks on the stock but I wasn't really looking either. It also had the sight hood.

Found this example online: https://www.legacy-collectibles.com/nazi-mauser-k98-byf-44-42.html

The LGS one has a better finish than that example but the linked has way neater serials. The price seems decent I'm waffling on going back and getting it.

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006

Behind every great engineer is someone just hoping the "genius" doesn't bankrupt everyone.



I'd eyeball the serials very ,very carefully. Look at existing examples online. Serial fuckery is the absolute number one way you will get hosed with german milsurp.

What year? The way the serials are laid out can vary from year to year. A BYF 42 might be a lot neater than a BYF 44 for example

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006

Behind every great engineer is someone just hoping the "genius" doesn't bankrupt everyone.



There should be a cleanly visible nazi eagle on the right side of the stock near the take down disc and a much smaller one on the underside of the wrist. They should be fairly crisp although it's OK if they look a little faded. If they look like the ones in that picture they've been sanded, which lowers value.

$1k is cheap these days if it's truly all matching, but a tich expensive if it's a bolt mismatch.

Super 3
Dec 31, 2007

Sometimes the powers you get are shit.


Cyrano4747 posted:

I'd eyeball the serials very ,very carefully. Look at existing examples online. Serial fuckery is the absolute number one way you will get hosed with german milsurp.

What year? The way the serials are laid out can vary from year to year. A BYF 42 might be a lot neater than a BYF 44 for example

It's a 44, which is why I'm leaning towards slop being ok.

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006

Behind every great engineer is someone just hoping the "genius" doesn't bankrupt everyone.



Super 3 posted:

It's a 44, which is why I'm leaning towards slop being ok.

The key is going to be the surface that the stamps are on, the font used, and any indications that old serial numbers were ground off and re-stamped.

Super 3
Dec 31, 2007

Sometimes the powers you get are shit.


Cyrano4747 posted:

The key is going to be the surface that the stamps are on, the font used, and any indications that old serial numbers were ground off and re-stamped.

I'm assuming by surface you mean which part or face of the piece in question? They seemed to match the example I linked. It didn't look like anything was ground off and re-stamped. If I'm still thinking about it on Tuesday I'll go give it another look.

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006

Behind every great engineer is someone just hoping the "genius" doesn't bankrupt everyone.



Let me get some pics to show you what your'e up against here.

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006

Behind every great engineer is someone just hoping the "genius" doesn't bankrupt everyone.



This is a faked SN. Not a BYF gun, but a more expensive (because of SS connections) BNZ43. The SN was ground down, the metal built up via welding, and then reshaped, refinished, and restamped.



These are two legit bolts, owned by a guy who knows more about K98ks than I could ever hope to. He's also the source on the above photo.





A couple of things to note. The font in the first one is close, but not quite right on. The direction of the machining marks got hosed up a little bit. Look in particular at that scallop under the flat on the bolt handle and how much more precise it looks on the fake. Note the little forging divot in the upper left of the flat isn't on the fake. The finish is also subtly wonky between the redone areas and the original bits.

Also note that this is the sort of thing that is going to be different for every single manufacturer. Different factories used different fonts on their stamps and had slightly different methods for forging parts and milling them. Also in different years you are going to see different levels of final fit and polish. I'm kind of a nutter when it comes to Oberndorf and even I would pour over some materials I've saved over the years if I was buying a BYF gun that I thought might be all matching. I actually prefer to get bolt mismatches myself, both because they're cheaper and because there's less headache trying to pour over it and make sure it's not been hosed with.

I highly recommend checking out the K98k forum - https://www.k98kforum.com. Sign up for an account (it's free) and just use the copious resources that are there. Here is a little list of verified good guns that they have up there as a resource. Here is what I pulled a few years ago for oberndorf in particular (which BYF was the mid-war factory code for).

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Mauser Oberndorf Rifles (S/42, 42, byf, svw)
Banner 1934 detail pics - http://www.k98kforum.com/showthread.php?454-1934-quot-Banner-quot-Mauser-Serial-92862
G.40k - http://www.k98kforum.com/showthread.php?419-G.40k (http://www.k98kforum.com/showthread.php?419-G.40k)
DR 1934 C - http://www.k98kforum.com/showthread.php?313-1934-C-Series-DR-(Reichsbahn)-Banner (http://www.k98kforum.com/showthread.php?313-1934-C-Series-DR-(Reichsbahn)-Banner)
DRP 1933 - http://www.k98kforum.com/showthread.php?218-Mauser-Banner-1933-DRP-Berlin (http://www.k98kforum.com/showthread.php?218-Mauser-Banner-1933-DRP-Berlin)
DRP 1933 GrBB 1934 - http://www.k98kforum.com/showthread.php?427-1933-DRP-1934-GrBB-(Gruppe-Brandenburg (http://www.k98kforum.com/showthread.php?427-1933-DRP-1934-GrBB-(Gruppe-Brandenburg))
DRP 1934 Klrh Dist. - http://www.k98kforum.com/showthread.php?223-1934-Mauser-Banner-DRP-(Klrh)-Karlsruhe-District (http://www.k98kforum.com/showthread.php?223-1934-Mauser-Banner-DRP-(Klrh)-Karlsruhe-District)
S/42K http://www.k98kforum.com/showthread.php?474-S-42K-pic-heavy
S/42.G Ostsee - http://www.k98kforum.com/showthread.php?250-S42G-Navy (http://www.k98kforum.com/showthread.php?250-S42G-Navy)
S/42 1936 DRP - http://www.k98kforum.com/showthread.php?439-1936-S-42-K98k-Serial-3947 (http://www.k98kforum.com/showthread.php?439-1936-S-42-K98k-Serial-3947)
S/42 1938 - http://www.k98kforum.com/showthread.php?314-S-42-1938-Warhorse-in-walnut (http://www.k98kforum.com/showthread.php?314-S-42-1938-Warhorse-in-walnut)
S/42 1937 laminated - http://www.k98kforum.com/showthread.php?51-S-42-1937-Laminated-6040w&p=113 (http://www.k98kforum.com/showthread.php?51-S-42-1937-Laminated-6040w&p=113)
Standard Modell e/655 - http://www.k98kforum.com/showthread.php?228-Mauser-Banner-Standard-Modell-Waffenamt-655 (http://www.k98kforum.com/showthread.php?228-Mauser-Banner-Standard-Modell-Waffenamt-655)
Standard Modell rework - http://www.k98kforum.com/showthread.php?825-Standard-Modell-Rework
42 1938 - http://www.k98kforum.com/showthread.php?492-1938-Code-42-K98k-Serial-5896s
42 1939 Luft. - http://www.k98kforum.com/showthread.php?563-Group-of-Luft-issued-K98s-with-M35-Luft-DD-helmet
byf 41 cc - http://www.k98kforum.com/showthread.php?108-byf41 (http://www.k98kforum.com/showthread.php?108-byf41)
byf 41 E/L - http://www.k98kforum.com/showthread.php?209-byf-41-E-L (http://www.k98kforum.com/showthread.php?209-byf-41-E-L)
byf 42 walnut - http://www.k98kforum.com/showthread.php?336-Byf-42 (http://www.k98kforum.com/showthread.php?336-Byf-42)
byf 42 bb - http://www.k98kforum.com/showthread.php?832-byf-42-bb-war-horse
byf 42 and 43 walnut - http://www.k98kforum.com/showthread.php?421-byf42-byf43-in-walnut (http://www.k98kforum.com/showthread.php?421-byf42-byf43-in-walnut)
byf 43 L block - http://www.k98kforum.com/showthread.php?758-byf43-l-block
ar 43 e/135 - http://www.k98kforum.com/showthread.php?750-ar43-(wa135)
byf 44 no letter - http://www.k98kforum.com/showthread.php?609-byf44-no-letter-block
byf 44 Zf.41- http://www.k98kforum.com/showthread.php?227-byf-44-zf41 (http://www.k98kforum.com/showthread.php?227-byf-44-zf41)
byf 45 3460a - http://www.k98kforum.com/showthread.php?90-byf-45-a-block (http://www.k98kforum.com/showthread.php?90-byf-45-a-block)
byf 45 5363a - http://www.k98kforum.com/showthread.php?300-byf-45-a-block (http://www.k98kforum.com/showthread.php?300-byf-45-a-block)

It's not impossible, but you want to look at some pictures very carefully and if something doesn't look right in the slightest walk.

edit: in your case I'd pay special attention to the BYF44 link up there, but the others are going to be valuable as well just to get a feel for what legit oberndorf stamping on legit oberndorf machining etc looks like.

Super 3
Dec 31, 2007

Sometimes the powers you get are shit.


Thank you very much for the effort post, this is helpful.

Mambo No. 5
Feb 24, 2009

Admiral Parry "Terror" Sornis,
Dead Birds Society



Prof. Banks
Apr 22, 2015

Computer lab day! Time to spend 45 minutes trying to load pokemon.com!




The stock on that bottom one.

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Wifi Toilet
Oct 1, 2004



Toilet Rascal

Wifi Toilet posted:

C&R questions:

(snip)



Wow, less than a month! Got my C&R in the mail yesterday (just in time for the Rock Island auction this week, oh god) so tell me how to use it.

I know about the bound book and have downloaded some templates, but I've seen posts elsewhere saying not to sign the license and to make copies of it then sign the copies to mail out. That doesn't sound right to me, I'm thinking I need to sign the original and photocopies of that should be acceptable to mail out. I think some sellers even accept emailed pictures of the C&R?

What info do I need to get from the seller? It looks like I only need to enter an FFL or driver's license if I sell something, so if I'm the buyer I just need a name and address of the seller correct?

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