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I think Duncan Idaho stands out too because his name/presence really harkens back to earlier sci-fi tropes. So much of Dune feels truly novel and without obvious precedent, but Duncan is this very overt nod to a more youth-oriented sci-fi that dominated the genre before Dune. George Lucas littered Star Wars with things that felt straight out of John Carter or Flash Gordon so no particular element stood out, but Duncan is sort of this lone element in Dune that almost feels plucked out from some other story.
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It's jarring that "Idaho" would have any meaning 15,000 years from now, since it barely has any today.
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Sep 13, 2020 17:08
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moths posted:It's jarring that "Idaho" would have any meaning 15,000 years from now, since it barely has any today. Well you can just imagine something insane happened in the state of Idaho in the year 2300 that rendered it important across tens of thousands of years.
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Sep 13, 2020 17:14
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In its defense, it'll probably be a popular seafront coastal state within 100 years. 
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Sep 13, 2020 17:18
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The_Doctor posted:I’m pretty sure I read that Villeneuve has already been guaranteed that he’ll get to make part 2. That makes sense, I highly doubt he would have agreed to this if he couldn't even finish the story.
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moths posted:In its defense, it'll probably be a popular seafront coastal state within 100 years. lol, it's 5000 ft. above sea level, what do you think is gonna happen, Europa crashing into the Earth or something?
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Sep 13, 2020 18:01
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moths posted:I expect that the first movie would end with Beast Rabban getting replaced with Feyd, since it'll look like a victory but then oops no. That reminds me, we didn't see any Piter de Vries in the trailer. I think that's the only major character with a known casting that didn't show up.
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Sep 13, 2020 18:14
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Duncan Idaho would fit nicely on this list:
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Sep 13, 2020 20:03
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Duncan Idaho sounds like a lesser punchline to the whole BigMcLargeHuge running gag from MST3K
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Sep 13, 2020 23:54
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I get a horribly generic vibe from the trailer. I dislike the way it's cut, the way it looks. The way it dwells on and on on that YA protagonist mumble. The worm is awesome, and I like many aspects of the production design. I hope, and even suspect, that the movie will feel quite different
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got off on a technicality posted:I get a horribly generic vibe from the trailer. I dislike the way it's cut, the way it looks. The way it dwells on and on on that YA protagonist mumble. The worm is awesome, and I like many aspects of the production design. I hope, and even suspect, that the movie will feel quite different hulud, same
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Sep 14, 2020 01:17
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moths posted:It's jarring that "Idaho" would have any meaning 15,000 years from now, since it barely has any today. 15000 years from now it no longer refers to the state, and instead is a phrase in future vernacular that means “It is I, the prostitute”
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Sep 14, 2020 01:48
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CLAM DOWN posted:That makes sense, I highly doubt he would have agreed to this if he couldn't even finish the story. “I would not agree to make this adaptation of the book with one single movie,” says Villeneuve. “The world is too complex. It’s a world that takes its power in details.” https://www.google.com/amp/s/collider.com/dune-two-movies-sequel-explained-reason-why-denis-villeneuve/%3famp
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Sep 14, 2020 01:59
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phasmid posted:Gonna commit Dune sacrilege here by stating that Duncan Idaho is not that important of a character. I agree, but if you're going to turn dune into an action movie you need to expand the action and Duncan Idaho is the best way to go that.
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Sep 14, 2020 03:20
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bawfuls posted:He said so explicitly I read that as meaning they let him split the story into two films, not necessarily that there's any guarantee he gets to make the second regardless of the performance of the first.
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Sep 14, 2020 04:06
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Since they didn’t shoot two movies at once there is no guarantee. They could have promised him they’d make both and the studio would still find a way to bail on the second movie if they really wanted to. The quotes and news just mean a second film is as likely as it can be under the circumstances.
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Sep 14, 2020 04:36
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It actually means exactly the same thing as now and he gets the same people who think they're the funniest gently caress that ever lived with their potato jokes.
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Sep 14, 2020 06:28
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The_Doctor posted:Duncan Idaho just stands out as a little too normal amongst all the names like Feyd and Harkonnen and Gurney Halleck. Gurney Halleck to me is similar to Duncan Idaho. It makes me think of cargo culture. Cause just FYI for ppl wondering, a gurney is a wheeled stretcher they use in hospitals. Thufir Hawat is a funky rear end name though that's for sure.
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I’m surprised the movie didn’t combine Duncan and Gurney into a single character. They barely make sense as individuals in the book, but it feels like one character too many without enough differentiation for a film. I remember when reading Dune for the first time getting constantly tripped up between the two characters- there just doesn’t seem to be a narrative reason for both to exist.
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They might have avoided it just for an eye towards if this succeeds enough to make the sequels - they cast someone as Duncan, a relatively minor role in the actual Dune 1 book, with an appropriate star to be a main character in a high-profile sequel, after all. (Although to be fair that describes just about all of the cast). Combining the characters would've caused problems further down the line. Also, killing Idaho helps with the scale of destruction of the initial loss - otherwise the only major character you lose when Atreides falls is Leto himself. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 15:20 on Sep 14, 2020 |
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Sep 14, 2020 15:17
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Sep 14, 2020 15:32
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Cacator posted:Can't wait for the Funko Pop Sandworm. is nothing sacred 
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Sep 14, 2020 15:58
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4000 Dollar Suit posted:It actually means exactly the same thing as now and he gets the same people who think they're the funniest gently caress that ever lived with their potato jokes. All fantasy epics have to include a taters scene More important than Wilhelm screams
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Sep 14, 2020 16:04
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MikeJF posted:They might have avoided it just for an eye towards if this succeeds enough to make the sequels - they cast someone as Duncan, a relatively minor role in the actual Dune 1 book, with an appropriate star to be a main character in a high-profile sequel, after all. (Although to be fair that describes just about all of the cast). Combining the characters would've caused problems further down the line. I don't mind them not be combined (even as someone that does think Duncan is extraneous in Dune itself), but I do hope they're able to differentiate them a bit more. No joke the way the previous adaptations went I think I almost think I'd ditch Thufir before Duncan or Gurney. With the latter two you can differentiate them with Duncan being a sort of dashing infiltration person and Gurney being a more hulking combat master person. The book sort of does this anyway with Gurney always sounding scarred up, haggard, not quite perfect posture from all battle he's been through, etc. Honestly going by the book I would have cast Bautista as Gurney instead of Rabban.
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You need Thufir for the drama of refusing to attack Paul at the end. And if they’re following the book more closely, to scrap with Jessica to show how she was distrusted
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Steve Yun posted:You need Thufir for the drama of refusing to attack Paul at the end. Keep the internal monologues from the Lynch version but have them all be about how they don't trust Jessica
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Sep 14, 2020 18:51
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Steve Yun posted:You need Thufir for the drama of refusing to attack Paul at the end. Oh yeah if they actually include all the Thufir stuff that would be great! I am interested to see what the character would be like as I like him quite a bit in the book, but both the Lynch movie and the sci-fi series (the latter especially) didn't really do a whole lot with him. Which sounds weird when the Lynch movie added the whole cat milking poison cure thing but he feels like a non-character in both. At the same time I feel like a lot of the reads people have on Thufir could apply to Leto himself, i.e., Thufir is a spymaster extraordinaire but he's old and gone a little soft, if a hypothetical Thufir of even just ten years ago was in the movie the Atreides might have not even been destroyed so soundly or/and some elegant way to quickly expose the Baron and Emperor's bullshit to the rest of the houses would have been executed, or he would have busted Yueh so that the plan wouldn't even be able to happen, etc.
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Jewmanji posted:I’m surprised the movie didn’t combine Duncan and Gurney into a single character. They barely make sense as individuals in the book, but it feels like one character too many without enough differentiation for a film. I remember when reading Dune for the first time getting constantly tripped up between the two characters- there just doesn’t seem to be a narrative reason for both to exist. It all part of the Arthuriana/Matters of France thing Atreides have going on. They're a noble house of gallant knights right out of Camelot or Charlemagne's paladins, and colorful characters like Duncan and Gurney are supposed to emphasize that. They're like Roland or Ogier and the like. This all plays into the whole thing with Duke Leto being betrayed in his appointed duty of ruling Arrakis and his son Paul instead falling in with the Fremen and waging a Jihad.
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Sep 14, 2020 20:20
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Cacator posted:Can't wait for the Funko Pop Sandworm. https://twitter.com/OriginalFunko/status/1305517954600235009?s=20 No Sandworm ... Yet
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Is there a point where there will a version of this thread with spoiler tags or do we assume everyone and their (reverend) mother knows what happens in Dune? Edit: Funko continues to be a soulless piece of merchandise, not even giving blue eyes to Stilgar. Mierenneuker fucked around with this message at 20:50 on Sep 14, 2020 |
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hope someone sets it up with a post it note sticking out that continues the title as DUNCan Idaho's Bogus Journey
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Sep 14, 2020 21:02
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Davros1 posted:No Sandworm ... Yet It's a build a figure. Collect all 128 and make a sandworm the size of your apartment!
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Sep 14, 2020 21:20
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I see all the merchandisers are "Jason Momoa's in this? Well, he's gotta be a main character, obviously. Better make a figure of him in the first wave."
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Sep 14, 2020 22:03
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Wait so did Brian Herbert just write a scene from the movie into the original Dune or something? How weird.
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Jewmanji posted:Wait so did Brian Herbert just write a scene from the movie into the original Dune or something? How weird. Considering everything else he's done to the franchise that's pretty minor.
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I'd hope that the word scene is just an awkward way of saying that the cover is a still from the film?
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Sep 14, 2020 22:51
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Where are you seeing Brian's name in this?
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I’m just guessing. Maybe someone else contributed? Just seems so weird to add a scene like that (I say this as an intolerable Lucas apologist)
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