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ClothHat
Mar 2, 2005

ASK ME ABOUT MY LOVE OF THE LUMPEN-GOBLITARIAT
protip: trust no links I post


deoju posted:

Jason Momoa is perfectly cast. He's like the human equivalent of a Bernard Sheppard: Strong, big, beautiful, majestic, goofy, dangerous, lovable, terrifying, cute.

He gives Paul strength and heart by association and proximity without weakening him.

It was a really fun casting choice, particularly if more movies get made (they won't). I'm cracking myself up imaging Jason Momoa talking to a Jeff Bridges sandworm in God Emperor of Dune 5 years from now.

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Ccs
Feb 25, 2011




This is the one movie I might risk going to the cinema in October to see. Depends on case numbers and so on but I'm hoping Quebec will have things fully under control by that point.

PeterWeller
Apr 20, 2003

I told you that story so I could tell you this one.



Jewmanji posted:

I’m not sure how that relates to whether Dune is “the simplest sci-fi book ever”?

They didn't say that. They said, "as straight forward as Sci-Fi gets," which is a bit overblown, but not absurd. Dune is setting up to explore a lot of big ideas but it's doing that through a pretty familiar story structure of heroic betrayal, redemption, and revenge. The plot of the novel, especially it's first part, is pretty straight-forward and easily understood, even easily predicted. And that's part of the point. Dune wants you to recognize the story it's telling you because one of the things it's trying to show you is the allure and power of that story.

Neo Rasa
Mar 8, 2007
Everyone should play DUKE games.

:dukedog:

Anne Frank Funk posted:

Look up people with dark eyeball tattoos. That’s how it would read on the screen, dark blue, even full black eyes in dark scenes. Very alien and unrelatable which is not something you want out of half your cast probably.

When Herbert uses "blue within blue" to describe it often I always pictured something like the the super deep and rich layers of blues you see in old Middle Eastern bowls and some glasswork and stuff. With the sclera's blue color being a lot flatter looking than a typically moisturized human one but with the iris and pupil still being the darker and more prominent parts so that it still reads as a humanly expressive eye.

I go to bat for Lynch Dune all the time because I love it but the glowing effect of them there doesn't really convey it either, but I can understand the logistical nightmare of, like, having to either CG every single Fremen's eyes to how they're acting or also having to do some crazy custom contact lens for every on-screen Fremen actor so while I have a set idea in my head of how it "should" look I don't really mind the various attempts we've seen.

Neo Rasa fucked around with this message at 17:54 on Jul 23, 2021

Roadie
Jun 30, 2013


When it comes to the spice eyes effect, my default mental image is pretty much always Peter O'Toole in Lawrence of Arabia.



I have to wonder how much of that aesthetic in the book was inspired on that film's cinematography.

Xealot
Nov 25, 2002

Showdown in the Galaxy Era.



I imagine a lot, there's obviously a ton of plot similarity between it and Dune.

Though also, blues and greens figure into a lot of Islamic art, and I could see that being at least partially because those colors contrast with the natural environment in much of the Arabian peninsula. Mosques and other institutions becoming these blue/green oases makes a ton of sense for religious purposes; these colors otherwise evoke lush plant life or the sky itself. There'd be something transformative about those spaces, and something eye-catching about people wearing garments or accessories in those colors. I could easily see that developing mystical or holy associations in Islam going forward, and that feels like the kind of visual detail Frank Herbert would've run with when writing these books.

Neo Rasa
Mar 8, 2007
Everyone should play DUKE games.

:dukedog:

Xealot posted:

I imagine a lot, there's obviously a ton of plot similarity between it and Dune.

Though also, blues and greens figure into a lot of Islamic art, and I could see that being at least partially because those colors contrast with the natural environment in much of the Arabian peninsula. Mosques and other institutions becoming these blue/green oases makes a ton of sense for religious purposes; these colors otherwise evoke lush plant life or the sky itself. There'd be something transformative about those spaces, and something eye-catching about people wearing garments or accessories in those colors. I could easily see that developing mystical or holy associations in Islam going forward, and that feels like the kind of visual detail Frank Herbert would've run with when writing these books.

Yeah Herbert definitely took a lot from this, and even from the first book you'll see him describe Fremen as wearing green outfits during various spiritual matters/ceremoney like when in mourning/etc.

Steve Yun
Aug 7, 2003

I
ANALYZE
CARTOONS


Soiled Meat

Roadie posted:

When it comes to the spice eyes effect, my default mental image is pretty much always Peter O'Toole in Lawrence of Arabia.



I have to wonder how much of that aesthetic in the book was inspired on that film's cinematography.

If you’re gonna do crazy eyes Peter otoole gotta go with the murder boner face




But yeah I also wonder how much of Dune was inspired by Lawrence of Arabia

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010



Neo Rasa posted:

Yeah Herbert definitely took a lot from this, and even from the first book you'll see him describe Fremen as wearing green outfits during various spiritual matters/ceremoney like when in mourning/etc.

I really hope we get the scene where Jamis' kids are uncomfortably okay with Paul murdering their Dad. Such a great look at Fremen psychology.

Spermando
Jun 13, 2009


I wonder how many reference to oval faces there will be.

Automatic Slim
Jul 1, 2007



Strom Cuzewon posted:

I really hope we get the scene where Jamis' kids are uncomfortably okay with Paul murdering their Dad. Such a great look at Fremen psychology.

Will we get singing from Chalamet and Brolin?

AnEdgelord
Dec 12, 2016



The book describes spice addiction producing "blue-in-blue" eyes so I always imagine the whites of the eyes turning blue with the iris turns a slightly different shade of blue

Spermando
Jun 13, 2009


Automatic Slim posted:

Will we get singing from Chalamet and Brolin?

https://youtu.be/ILAJiOi0KWk

CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK
Sep 11, 2001





ClothHat posted:

It was a really fun casting choice, particularly if more movies get made (they won't). I'm cracking myself up imaging Jason Momoa talking to a Jeff Bridges sandworm in God Emperor of Dune 5 years from now.

:same:

deoju
Jul 11, 2004

All the pieces matter.


Nap Ghost

Automatic Slim posted:

Where's the Toto?

Africa.

Fun fact: One of the dudes from Toto is the son of the legendary composer John Williams.

AnEdgelord
Dec 12, 2016



ClothHat posted:

It was a really fun casting choice, particularly if more movies get made (they won't). I'm cracking myself up imaging Jason Momoa talking to a Jeff Bridges sandworm in God Emperor of Dune 5 years from now.

Jason momoa does seem like someone who could plausibly make a woman orgasm just from climbing a wall real good.

Neo Rasa
Mar 8, 2007
Everyone should play DUKE games.

:dukedog:

deoju posted:

Africa.

Fun fact: One of the dudes from Toto is the son of the legendary composer John Williams.

He composed the ambient music loops on Jabba's barge in ROTJ and also did stuff like that for the prequels IIRC, I know specifically at least the background stuff around the diner scene in Attack of the Clones

Prolonged Panorama
Dec 21, 2007
Holy hookrat Sally smoking crack in the alley!





AnEdgelord posted:

Jason momoa does seem like someone who could plausibly make a woman orgasm just from climbing a wall real good.

Hasselblad
Dec 13, 2017
NRA shill who thinks homeless people would love to live in migrant border camps. Help me realize I am a bigoted piece of shit.


Anne Frank Funk posted:

Very alien and unrelatable which is not something you want out of half your cast probably.

:what:

Ccs posted:

This is the one movie I might risk going to the cinema in October to see. Depends on case numbers and so on but I'm hoping Quebec will have things fully under control by that point.

:same:
Re-re-re-re-re-re-reading the first book in preparation (of criticizing each and every variance from the source). I hate to go to the movies solo, so I am going to try to convince my wife to read the book, if only to keep her from asking me questions about what is going on during the movie.

Neo Rasa posted:

When Herbert uses "blue within blue" to describe it often I always pictured something like the the super deep and rich layers of blues you see in old Middle Eastern bowls and some glasswork and stuff. With the sclera's blue color being a lot flatter looking than a typically moisturized human one but with the iris and pupil still being the darker and more prominent parts so that it still reads as a humanly expressive eye.

I merely imagined them (and IIRC they were described in the book) as the whites themselves being turned piercing blue. The iris are still going to be their natural color, as they are not gel/liquid.


Does... does he have a zombie arm?

Hasselblad fucked around with this message at 02:44 on Jul 24, 2021

Hasselblad
Dec 13, 2017
NRA shill who thinks homeless people would love to live in migrant border camps. Help me realize I am a bigoted piece of shit.


E,F; DP

bawfuls
Oct 28, 2009

Plague Champion


Hasselblad posted:

Re-re-re-re-re-re-reading the first book in preparation (of criticizing each and every variance from the source). I hate to go to the movies solo, so I am going to try to convince my wife to read the book, if only to keep her from asking me questions about what is going on during the movie.
Don't force a notoriously difficult book to get into on someone who isn't into it just so you don't have to answer questions about a movie. Be grateful your wife is wiling to go see the nerd movie with you and be wiling to answer her questions. If you really can't handle that then suck it up and see the movie alone.

Happy Noodle Boy
Jul 3, 2002



Hasselblad posted:


Does... does he have a zombie arm?

Alex is insane and his arms are wild

Prolonged Panorama
Dec 21, 2007
Holy hookrat Sally smoking crack in the alley!





Hasselblad posted:

I merely imagined them (and IIRC they were described in the book) as the whites themselves being turned piercing blue. The iris are still going to be their natural color, as they are not gel/liquid.

Eyes of the Ibad are always described as blue within blue, the darker the more spice the person consumes. The Guild Navigator at the end of the first novel has eyes "a total blue so dark as to be almost black." A strict interpretation would mean most of the characters end up looking like Sam Weber's painting of Alia:



With maybe a bit more deep blue saturation. Most of the cast looking like demons would be a strange move for a big budget film.

Hasselblad posted:

Does... does he have a zombie arm?

Please, the preferred term is ghola.

Wizchine
Sep 17, 2007

Television is the retina
of the mind's eye.


I didn't hear any ululation in the vocals. Is anything from a Middle-Eastern or North African musical tradition verboten, despite the logical shorthand connecting them to the imaginary Fremen?

PeterWeller
Apr 20, 2003

I told you that story so I could tell you this one.



Steve Yun posted:

But yeah I also wonder how much of Dune was inspired by Lawrence of Arabia

I'm sure the film was an influence. Herbert cited Seven Pillars of Wisdom: A Triumph as one of his inspirations, and the film came out right around when he started working on the novel.

The other lesser-known Muslim rebellion narrative influence is The Sabres of Paradise.

Hasselblad
Dec 13, 2017
NRA shill who thinks homeless people would love to live in migrant border camps. Help me realize I am a bigoted piece of shit.


Prolonged Priapism posted:


Please, the preferred term is ghola.

:zombie:

SolarFire2
Oct 16, 2001

"You're awefully cute, but unfortunately for you, you're made of meat." - Meat And Sarcasm Guy!

AnEdgelord posted:

Jason momoa does seem like someone who could plausibly make a woman orgasm just from climbing a wall real good.

My Own Private Idaho joke goes here.

phasmid
Jan 16, 2015

Booty Shaker
SILENT MAJORITY


Prolonged Priapism posted:

Eyes of the Ibad are always described as blue within blue, the darker the more spice the person consumes. The Guild Navigator at the end of the first novel has eyes "a total blue so dark as to be almost black." A strict interpretation would mean most of the characters end up looking like Sam Weber's painting of Alia:



That's how I picture them. Having glowing blue eyes was fun in Lynch but c'mon you're in the desert at night. Hello, Sniper!

The United States
Jul 18, 2004

Please grab the extinguisher


Melman v2

phasmid posted:

That's how I picture them. Having glowing blue eyes was fun in Lynch but c'mon you're in the desert at night. Hello, Sniper!
Shields

Kassad
Nov 11, 2005

It's about time.



Are a good way to be eaten by sandworms.

Automatic Slim
Jul 1, 2007



bawfuls posted:

Don't force a notoriously difficult book to get into on someone who isn't into it just so you don't have to answer questions about a movie. Be grateful your wife is wiling to go see the nerd movie with you and be wiling to answer her questions. If you really can't handle that then suck it up and see the movie alone.

Just force your wife to listen to the audiobook. They’re floating around YouTube all the time.

Winifred Madgers
Feb 12, 2002



Wizchine posted:

I didn't hear any ululation in the vocals. Is anything from a Middle-Eastern or North African musical tradition verboten, despite the logical shorthand connecting them to the imaginary Fremen?

Gotta keep the perpetual outrage machine going somehow.

Neo Rasa
Mar 8, 2007
Everyone should play DUKE games.

:dukedog:

[futuristic lamentation music]

Hasselblad
Dec 13, 2017
NRA shill who thinks homeless people would love to live in migrant border camps. Help me realize I am a bigoted piece of shit.


Kassad posted:

Are a good way to be eaten by sandworms.

And be tickled with lasguns.

Zedhe Khoja
Nov 10, 2017

Truth Shines, Comrades!


go full Juno Reactor's God is God with the soundtrack imo.
Get some man vocals in there too. Give me a cyber-nasheed.

Hasselblad
Dec 13, 2017
NRA shill who thinks homeless people would love to live in migrant border camps. Help me realize I am a bigoted piece of shit.


The two solos of Comfortably Numb during Paul's first spice essence binge.
(Hey, whatsisface wanted Floyd to do the soundtrack after all)

Hasselblad fucked around with this message at 18:16 on Jul 24, 2021

Mierenneuker
Apr 28, 2010


We're all going to experience changes in our life but only the best of us will qualify for front row seats.



Just an entire soundtrack that sounds like Tales of the Future.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dwbr9EL0UJM

GlassEye-Boy
Jul 12, 2001


The new still suit / armor thing that Chalamat is wearing looks way to similar to the Snakes Eyes ninja suit in the new GI Joe’s, can’t unsee it. They’ve even got the same goofy visor that retracts back up.

Neo Rasa
Mar 8, 2007
Everyone should play DUKE games.

:dukedog:

Should just unironically use some of the tracks from the old Cryo Dune game.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IF_0W1cYPYo

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MLSM
Apr 3, 2021



Dune will still be streaming on HBOmax alongside its theatrical release, right? I really don’t feel like dying from COVID or, worse, getting long-COVID (I have relatives with this, and it’s not a pretty sight) from seeing this movie in a theater. My state is a hotspot full of anti-mask CHUDS… so, yeah…

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