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Folks are right that this isn't a mass market blockbuster, but it is absolutely the best film adaptation of Dune and I hope the rumors that HBO guaranteed Villeneuve that they'd let him do Part 2 are true.
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Oct 17, 2021 23:19
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VanillaGorilla posted:Folks are right that this isn't a mass market blockbuster, but it is absolutely the best film adaptation of Dune and I hope the rumors that HBO guaranteed Villeneuve that they'd let him do Part 2 are true. At this point it would be the only way to get a second part, because the HD version leaked online a couple of days ago and there's still a few days until it comes to theaters/ HBO Max. Very sad.
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Oct 17, 2021 23:33
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Saw it this weekend and enjoyed it. I’m kind of in a sweet spot where I read the book once like 5 years ago and enjoyed it but wouldn’t re-read it. So there were parts that might be confusing for someone who is going in completely blind but made sense if you knew some of the lore or remembered the general points from the book. If you’re a Dune super fan who has read it a bunch of times you might get upset because let’s face it, you were going to get upset anyway due to it not being exactly as you imagined it and it didn’t have every thing precisely as the book. Outside of the story itself the design was cool, the score was good and added to the movie, and I didn’t have a problem with any of the acting. It was a fun time at the theater!
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Oct 17, 2021 23:44
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Judakel posted:At this point it would be the only way to get a second part, because the HD version leaked online a couple of days ago and there's still a few days until it comes to theaters/ HBO Max. Very sad. It's performing very well in the markets that it's opened in.
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Oct 18, 2021 01:39
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wikipedia says box office receipts have already reached about 80% of the $165 million it cost to make
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Oct 18, 2021 02:10
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Lutha Mahtin posted:wikipedia says box office receipts have already reached about 80% of the $165 million it cost to make Usually you have to double it with marketing. Let's hope for the best.
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Oct 18, 2021 02:42
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Judakel posted:Usually you have to double it with marketing. Let's hope for the best. Doesn't that depend a bit if we're playing with 'Covid rules' where a poo poo box office performance is gold? Not really sure how much of that is just saving face for PR in the first place though.
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Oct 18, 2021 03:47
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SidneyIsTheKiller posted:I probably should have noted that I was indeed making an immediate initial impression from only looking at the trailer on my phone. The new movie and the old one are pretty different in how they're built. You can see it easily in when things happen. Even though the new movie is just Part 1 of the story, a very important plot beat that gets the story going happens at the 1 hour 15 min mark, which is only 15 minutes later than in the 2 hr cut of the old movie and 15 minutes earlier than the 3 hour extended edition of the old movie. The new movie then spends an hour covering a part of the story that takes a half hour in the older movie. The older movies also take between 10 and 15 minutes to get from 'exposition' to 'meeting the main character.' This one gets there in 3 minutes (and then has a brief, less than 1 minute long exposition dump). They made a good creative decision for the new one, which is: instead of using the extra time to flesh out everybody and add as much of the book as possible, they used it to properly pace the main story.
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Oct 18, 2021 06:54
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I thought Timothy did kind of a lovely job as Paul. He just had this vacant, out to lunch look on this face the entire movie. Very monotone too.
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Oct 18, 2021 14:21
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I hopes Kynes gets some cool things to say, he was one of the more intriguing characters in the book.
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Hodgepodge posted:Doesn't that depend a bit if we're playing with 'Covid rules' where a poo poo box office performance is gold? Covid rules don't really change the budget, though. Partial Octopus posted:I thought Timothy did kind of a lovely job as Paul. He just had this vacant, out to lunch look on this face the entire movie. Very monotone too. I completely agree. He cries pretty because he is pretty, but he does not do a good job of displaying much more emotion than this.
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Oct 18, 2021 16:49
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FPyat posted:I hopes Kynes gets some cool things to say, he was one of the more intriguing characters in the book. I was surprised at how much they gave her, and how close to the book it was. The scene where she checks Paul's stillsuit was great, and the bit where they're holed up in the testing station was as close as you can get without a voice over, I thought (lax lasgun discipline aside). Probably sort of at the cost of more Thufir/Gurney/Yueh, but that's the way it is.
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Oct 18, 2021 17:43
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Saw a screening of it last night. I’m going to buy any giant coffee table book made of the art and production because Villeneuve correctly doesn’t spend a lot of time explaining a lot of the world building, and there’s a LOT OF IT.
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Oct 18, 2021 17:44
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https://kotaku.com/dune-is-the-latest-beloved-property-to-be-swallowed-by-1847887636 Well nothing is sacred. The issue of course being disgracing shai-hulud into a sock puppet Leto II.
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Oct 18, 2021 21:54
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Just watched it finally. I'll have to think a bit more about what I thought of it, but my first impressions are that it wasn't as imaginative or as enjoyable as the lynch version which I saw for the first time a week ago. I'd be hard pressed to say the lynch version is a better film though. I do get what people mean about Chalamet, he looks the part but has no character behind the eyes, which is how I felt about a lot of the film. Also The Shadout Mapes was a 5/10 AT BEST
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Oct 18, 2021 22:54
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On the other hand Paul is a weird, out- to- lunch sort of kid.
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Oct 18, 2021 23:15
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paul has to simultaneously be kind of paralyzed by his own knowledge of what's going to happen to him and how powerless he is to stop it, but also charismatic enough to bring an entire planet under his sway, which is a difficult thing to convey in a performance and i don't think any of the actors who've played the character really nailed it
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:paul has to simultaneously be kind of paralyzed by his own knowledge of what's going to happen to him and how powerless he is to stop it, but also charismatic enough to bring an entire planet under his sway, which is a difficult thing to convey in a performance and i don't think any of the actors who've played the character really nailed it The book doesn't really do anything to sell that he's so charismatic either. It just sort of assumes he is, and that "works" to an extent because we don't actually see him or anything.
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Oct 18, 2021 23:24
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Arglebargle III posted:On the other hand Paul is a weird, out- to- lunch sort of kid. Yeah, exactly. Dead-eyed, disinterested, but pretty enough to foster a revolution? That's our Paul.
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Oct 18, 2021 23:24
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I listened to a podcast about Dune a little while ago, it was made before this new movie was announced but one of the guys said that Paul should be played as "an aristocrat that has gone feral" which I think I agree with
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Oct 18, 2021 23:36
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So a normal aristocrat.
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Oct 19, 2021 00:10
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dude can also literally see the future, so all you really need is a kid who can give a good speech and look troubled when no one he doesn't trust is looking.
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Arglebargle III posted:So a normal aristocrat. You have a much higher opinion of aristocrats than I do
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Oct 19, 2021 02:14
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great movie. there were so many amazing shots and scenes and special effects one after another. and I really like how in the last half hour after they emerge from the sandstorm it stays with Paul and his mom and doesn't cut away to anywhere else
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Oct 19, 2021 02:46
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I think any big acting Chalamet did was absolutely swallowed by Chastain being there to one-up him in every scene. Loved his pained Gom Jabbar face, though.
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Did you really think rebecca ferguson was jessica chastain or is that a bit. But yeah she was great, best performance in the film by a large margin
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Having just watched the new one.... I recommend watching it as a double-feature with Lynch's version immediately after, but stopping at roughly the same point. It's like the anime version of what you just saw.
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Oct 19, 2021 04:32
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No Mods No Masters posted:Did you really think rebecca ferguson was jessica chastain or is that a bit. But yeah she was great, best performance in the film by a large margin Yep I got those names mixed up  No idea why.
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Has anyone seen any bad reviews yet? Everything I’ve seen has been good outside of Leslie Lee of Struggle Session podcast trashing it. He said Jessica only shows up to cry which lol were we watching the same movie?
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Oct 19, 2021 04:57
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Dune was pretty good except for Aidan Gallagher as Paul Atreides I don’t think he was quite up to the role
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Dr.Radical posted:Has anyone seen any bad reviews yet? Everything I’ve seen has been good outside of Leslie Lee of Struggle Session podcast trashing it. He said Jessica only shows up to cry which lol were we watching the same movie? This still seems to be the representative strong hater review. I have to say that I liked the movie quite a bit more than I thought I was going to, but it still kind of falls in the noble failure or maybe narrow success category to me, so I kind of see some of his points. 2049 to me is something where there is a really good core story polluted by too much extraneous crap. This feels like the opposite in a way, lots of really good ingredients not quite totally coming together into something that puts its own point or spin on the material
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I saw this at the cinema in Hong Kong yesterday and I didn't feel it. The world building is actively worse than the Lynch Dune, because there are no navigators, no emperor, Geidi Prime isn't memorable at all. It's strange that it gives the story more time to breathe and yet we get what feels like less Gurney and less Yueh. In Dune 1984 isn't there a great scene where Gurney is just jamming out on some sitar-like instrument? Almost all the sets are blandly minimalist, it feels like future IKEA, not the opulent craziness of the 1984 production design. The Hans Zimmer score is also blandly generic, unfortunately. The casting was good, but Chani is a non character in this film, by necessity, which just makes the ending even more abrupt after all those visions of her turning to look at the camera. This all sounds really negative but it wasn't a bad film at all, it just doesn't feel as daring or imaginative as the Lynch version. This sort of makes you wonder what the point of this version even is, because if it's just to be more faithful to the source material, I don't know if that justifies the effort.
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Rabelais D posted:It's strange that it gives the story more time to breathe and yet we get what feels like less Gurney and less Yueh. In Dune 1984 isn't there a great scene where Gurney is just jamming out on some sitar-like instrument? Dune 1984 is a narrative disaster and it is precisely because of trying to have more of everything. Rabelais D posted:Almost all the sets are blandly minimalist, it feels like future IKEA, not the opulent craziness of the 1984 production design. That fits the story pretty well. It's set in a brutal future. The bulk of the story takes place in an inhospitable desert planet. The groups of people we meet are: an honorable and noble imperial family; the inhabitants of the inhospitable desert planet; a secretive order of space nuns; a bunch of soldiers trained in another inhospitable desert planet; an evil noble family that lives in a "harsh, industrial volcanic wasteland." "Opulent craziness" does not fit with the vast majority of this. Pedro De Heredia fucked around with this message at 06:56 on Oct 19, 2021 |
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Oct 19, 2021 06:35
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That's fair enough, narratively DUNC is much more successful than 1984 Dune. And while you can definitely argue that brutal minimalism fits the setting of Arrakis better, I think it's much less interesting for the wider universe as whole, even the matte paintings for Caladan and Geidi Prime were more characterful than what we got here, for example.
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If we're willing to admit "me trying to figure out the logic behind the decision on the basis of gently caress and all," one explanation might be that they're saving the opulent and decadent and weird side of things for the second film. It would be a good way to distinguish the two films, and would have some thematic logic behind it. The first movie can show the stark and spartan Atreidies and Fremen, then really bust out just how weird this universe actually is in the second. The important thing would be to balance the decadence with the genuinely strange and beautiful so you can see both the corruption and why Paul would hesitate to burn it all down.
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Watched this yesterday and was not impressed. It seemed terrified of its predecessor so it achieved utter blandness, aimed for portentous and hit pretentious at times, and some of the FX made it look like a TV movie. What a waste of a perfectly good Villeneuve, and Timmah would be better taking that performance to a Josh Trank movie.
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Oct 19, 2021 08:25
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Meanwhile I am disagreeing with the notion that Zimmers music is bland and generic. I'd call it more weird and aggressive myself.
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I think ridiculous opulence is exactly what the non-arrakis parts should look like, apart from selusa secundus. A big theme of the story is that the rest of the empire has "civilised" to the extent that the rough fremen can just roll over everyone like the mongols or vikings. It's the whole "silk slippers coming down the stairs to the sound of boots coming up them" thing from history. The whole plot is kicked off by the atreides making an army that can actually fight, which is almost unheard of in the universe other than the sardukar and such a threat the Emperor has them destroyed. Other than being told that's the case it doesn't really come across at all in this movie's action, all the forces are equally matched dark armoured sword fighters apart from our main characters who dispatch half a dozen enemy power rangers every time theyr on screen. I do think they ran out of cgi budget at some point, especially lame was Paul describing "a holy war burning across the universe like a fire with my father's banner" instead of us getting to see that. E I also do agree that, like the lynch film, they turned Jessica from the most cool and collected of characters to the weepiest in the film. Its a good performance but my gf was like "oh she's crying again huh" Also also when I heard Jason momoa was in this I was like "oh man he's a perfect gurney hallack that's good casting!" lol Communist Thoughts fucked around with this message at 11:13 on Oct 19, 2021 |
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