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Linux Pirate
Apr 21, 2012

Well, there goes our grant money.





Robot Style posted:

The first movie's fight choreography also had to content with the in-camera lightsaber effect they were trying - the blades were wrapped in reflective movie screen material, and the hilts had motors that would rotate them in order to make them flicker. The sabers also had wires that ran up the actors sleeves to battery packs, so they were pretty clumsy to use and had to stay in very specific places in order to actually reflect the light correctly.

Was not aware of this this. Thanks.

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Hazo
Dec 30, 2004

SCIENCE





Robot Style posted:

The latest release on Disney+ has it fixed (which comes from the 4K restoration Lucas was working on before the sale), but placemat lore had already retconned that as being a result of Vader's Sith lightsaber having the ability to break an opponent's blade due to its powerful synthetic crystal.



Seriously? This is so goddamn dumb. I can't believe I didn't know about this. Do you have a link? It belongs firmly in the Corran Horn and Other Science Facts thread.

Ingmar terdman
Jul 24, 2006



Robot Style posted:

The latest release on Disney+ has it fixed (which comes from the 4K restoration Lucas was working on before the sale), but placemat lore had already retconned that as being a result of Vader's Sith lightsaber having the ability to break an opponent's blade due to its powerful synthetic crystal.

christ

Robot Style
Jul 5, 2009



It's originally from the same Star Wars magazine article that invented a bunch of dumbass lightsaber forms to explain why there were more backflips in the prequels.

I've found some tiny scans of it online - it looks like it actually seems to imply the hosed up special effects are due to the "slow materialization" setting Obi-Wan used to prevent Vader from cutting through his lightsaber.


Vinylshadow
Mar 20, 2017


We talkin' sabers?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIefj6dOhnM

misaligned rotosabers or bust



Vinylshadow fucked around with this message at 20:35 on Aug 26, 2020

Hazo
Dec 30, 2004

SCIENCE





Are the forms even canon anymore? I remember always thinking they were a little bit silly and would never survive the Canon/Legends split but lol.

That "materialization" bullshit is actually kind of a clever in-universe workaround nobody asked for when the answer is "slower ignitions are more dramatic."

moist turtleneck
Jul 17, 2003

Represent.





Dinosaur Gum

I wonder what form baby Yoda will use

Cartoon Man
Jan 31, 2004

Nyah hah hah hah hah!



https://i.imgur.com/ZXdt8xr.mp4

Sodomy Hussein
Oct 9, 2005

Everything is subject to the needs of intelligence, for geniuses like me. If we actually solve problems, people won't need me and people like me, and this is a travesty without end. You have to squeeze the poor so they know their place, and you fucking commies forget that.


Robot Style posted:

It's originally from the same Star Wars magazine article that invented a bunch of dumbass lightsaber forms to explain why there were more backflips in the prequels.

I've found some tiny scans of it online - it looks like it actually seems to imply the hosed up special effects are due to the "slow materialization" setting Obi-Wan used to prevent Vader from cutting through his lightsaber.




The sacred Jedi texts!!!

dialhforhero
Apr 3, 2008


The Obi-wan blade has been forever altered to me as a battery dying as Energizer noticed it too and made a commercial about it and it has permanently burned into my brain.

Cartoon Man
Jan 31, 2004

Nyah hah hah hah hah!



Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady


Robot Style posted:

The first movie's fight choreography also had to content with the in-camera lightsaber effect they were trying - the blades were wrapped in reflective movie screen material, and the hilts had motors that would rotate them in order to make them flicker. The sabers also had wires that ran up the actors sleeves to battery packs, so they were pretty clumsy to use and had to stay in very specific places in order to actually reflect the light correctly.
Olympic fencing uses wires too. The real reason that the fight was like it was is the combination of actor ability and the fact that most sword duels are two dudes tapping the ends of their blades together before one of them makes a mistake and gets cut.

Vinylshadow
Mar 20, 2017


Hazo posted:

Are the forms even canon anymore? I remember always thinking they were a little bit silly and would never survive the Canon/Legends split but lol.

That "materialization" bullshit is actually kind of a clever in-universe workaround nobody asked for when the answer is "slower ignitions are more dramatic."

The forms are still canon and mentioned by the Grand Inquisitor, Anakin, and Barriss Offee, as well as mentioned and given silly names like "Way of the Sarlacc" in the Knights of Fate sourcebook for FFG





double nine
Aug 8, 2013



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MRHbGjW-J8

SlothfulCobra
Mar 27, 2011

STOP BEING EVIL.


Robot Style posted:

The latest release on Disney+ has it fixed (which comes from the 4K restoration Lucas was working on before the sale), but placemat lore had already retconned that as being a result of Vader's Sith lightsaber having the ability to break an opponent's blade due to its powerful synthetic crystal.

I thought that was just the explanation for why Obi-Wan's lightsaber turns on pretty slowly in that scene, not that his saber is supposed to be actively breaking onscreen.

There's some amazing fight choreography these days, but there's also a lot of stuff that's just kinda pointlessly flashy and overelaborate, and generally it really suffers when people are just miming to empty air for props and enemies that will be inserted with effects. And pouring too much time and money into just the fight and being flashy is never as good as focusing on the lead in or trying to tell a story with the fight. A lot of the time you can do more with less.

Ingmar terdman
Jul 24, 2006



https://twitter.com/JPincorporated/status/1300189038163316736

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

I'll leave the past in the past, tomorrow's not promised
And today's just an anime titty I guess that's why it's the present









moist turtleneck
Jul 17, 2003

Represent.





Dinosaur Gum

Hazo
Dec 30, 2004

SCIENCE






Hell yeah this is the good stuff

OctoberCountry
Oct 9, 2012


Smooth Yoda

Iron Crowned
May 6, 2003



The Repubic

Ingmar terdman
Jul 24, 2006








working hard thank you

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

I'll leave the past in the past, tomorrow's not promised
And today's just an anime titty I guess that's why it's the present










Hazo
Dec 30, 2004

SCIENCE






Isn't this a literal tracing of some Lord of the Rings battle?

elf help book
Aug 5, 2004

It's not a dream, or a lie.
I know my sister is alive out there.



lmao holy poo poo

Pennywise the Frown
May 10, 2010



Upset Trowel

Ingmar terdman posted:





working hard thank you

lol

galagazombie
Oct 31, 2011


Hazo posted:

Isn't this a literal tracing of some Lord of the Rings battle?

To be more precise, it's a tracing of several different shots from Return of the King and Fellowship of the Ring. The Mumakil is obvious, The soldiers are Gondorians from the scene where the trolls break down the city gate. In the close up foreground the "artist" accidentally traced Rohan spears (the ones with the holes in the blade) instead of the Gondorian spears used by the soldiers in the mid ground. Behind the front line we see some human soldiers from The Last Alliance from the prologue of Fellowship of the Ring. And finally in the center background we have Gamling. Who is shooting his bow and arrow at the underside of a Mumakil from right before Theoden gets killed. But he was traced without context so he is shooting his bow at an empty sky in the opposite direction of the Sith army.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady


galagazombie posted:

To be more precise, it's a tracing of several different shots from Return of the King and Fellowship of the Ring. The Mumakil is obvious, The soldiers are Gondorians from the scene where the trolls break down the city gate. In the close up foreground the "artist" accidentally traced Rohan spears (the ones with the holes in the blade) instead of the Gondorian spears used by the soldiers in the mid ground. Behind the front line we see some human soldiers from The Last Alliance from the prologue of Fellowship of the Ring. And finally in the center background we have Gamling. Who is shooting his bow and arrow at the underside of a Mumakil from right before Theoden gets killed. But he was traced without context so he is shooting his bow at an empty sky in the opposite direction of the Sith army.
What I really like about it is that it's so obviously a Mumakil that you can see where it's lower jaw and tusks were just left in the picture, and the trunk is in there too leading to the "artist" just sticking a vague horn out of the right nostril of the poor Styracosaurus that he stole the head from.

Sir DonkeyPunch
Mar 23, 2007

I didn't hear no bell



Completely forgot this was going to be a thing

skasion
Feb 13, 2012

Why don't you perform zazen, facing a wall?


Have they even done anything with that yet, or is it just a promise of future lovely books

Pretty good
Apr 16, 2007





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDEZNN4Ei3A

moist turtleneck
Jul 17, 2003

Represent.





Dinosaur Gum



Cartoon Man
Jan 31, 2004

Nyah hah hah hah hah!



https://i.imgur.com/f2lPS2C.gifv

Watch threepio nope the gently caress outta there...

Clever Moniker
Oct 29, 2007






Cartoon Man posted:

https://i.imgur.com/f2lPS2C.gifv

Watch threepio nope the gently caress outta there...

Lol

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady


Pro move TBH. Dude hasn't had his memory wiped in a while, but he knows it has happened. What's to stop it happening again?

doctorfrog
Mar 14, 2007

Great.




get started on your covert amazon child profile now!

Laterite
Mar 14, 2007

It's Gutfest '89

Grimey Drawer

elf help book posted:

lmao holy poo poo


JoJo Fett

SlothfulCobra
Mar 27, 2011

STOP BEING EVIL.


uber_stoat posted:

“Luminous beings are we…not this crude matter.”

Hazo
Dec 30, 2004

SCIENCE





New thread title is cool

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Cartoon Man
Jan 31, 2004

Nyah hah hah hah hah!



https://i.imgur.com/Pnm1kTu.mp4

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