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nemesis_hub
Nov 27, 2006



The entire ST is a complete mess, not just TROS. They each have some redeeming facets but overall are stunningly bad. They have a layer of superficial modern blockbuster slickness that keeps stupid people entertained (or at least just momentarily distracted which is what big budget movies are now) but they, and not the prequels, deserve the incomprehending derision.

Nothing, not jar jar, not yipeee, not nooooo, not any of the insane anti prequel hysteria memes, is as insultingly, nihilistically stupid and bad as the Fortnite transmission, the neoliberal hillarybot centrism of TLJ, the pathetic cantina scene in TFA, etc.

If you buy into the idea that the prequels are legendarily, epically bad but that the sequels are good,ok, or even just ďnormalĒ bad, you are an idiot. The depiction of Finn is much more racist than anything about Jar Jar. The difference in the reception of the two trilogies is a scathing indictment of nerd culture.

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Cease to Hope
Dec 12, 2011
the forum where people post about insurance in case they have to kill someone is mad at this guy again lol

nemesis_hub posted:

They have a layer of superficial modern blockbuster slickness that keeps stupid people entertained (or at least just momentarily distracted which is what big budget movies are now

when was this not true

Pilchenstein
May 17, 2012

So your plan is for half of us to die?



Hot Rope Guy

Cease to Hope posted:

when was this not true
No, it's modern culture that is bankrupt, everything we watched as children is a pristine masterpiece that should never be criticised

Fantastic Foreskin
Jan 6, 2013

A golden helix streaked skyward from the Helvault. A thunderous explosion shattered the silver monolith and Avacyn emerged, free from her prison at last.




They have better acting though, which makes them less painful to physically watch. The prequels have all the acting chops of a sixth grade play.

Badger of Basra
Jul 25, 2007



nemesis_hub posted:

The entire ST is a complete mess, not just TROS. They each have some redeeming facets but overall are stunningly bad. They have a layer of superficial modern blockbuster slickness that keeps stupid people entertained (or at least just momentarily distracted which is what big budget movies are now) but they, and not the prequels, deserve the incomprehending derision.

Nothing, not jar jar, not yipeee, not nooooo, not any of the insane anti prequel hysteria memes, is as insultingly, nihilistically stupid and bad as the Fortnite transmission, the neoliberal hillarybot centrism of TLJ, the pathetic cantina scene in TFA, etc.

If you buy into the idea that the prequels are legendarily, epically bad but that the sequels are good,ok, or even just ďnormalĒ bad, you are an idiot. The depiction of Finn is much more racist than anything about Jar Jar. The difference in the reception of the two trilogies is a scathing indictment of nerd culture.

TLJ is good actually

Chuck Buried Treasure
Dec 27, 2010



ItBreathes posted:

They have better acting though, which makes them less painful to physically watch. The prequels have all the acting chops of a sixth grade play.

Yeah the casting is easily the best thing about the sequels. Ridley and Boyega are a lot of fun to watch

CainFortea
Oct 15, 2004





nemesis_hub posted:

The entire ST is a complete mess, not just TROS. They each have some redeeming facets but overall are stunningly bad. They have a layer of superficial modern blockbuster slickness that keeps stupid people entertained (or at least just momentarily distracted which is what big budget movies are now) but they, and not the prequels, deserve the incomprehending derision.

Nothing, not jar jar, not yipeee, not nooooo, not any of the insane anti prequel hysteria memes, is as insultingly, nihilistically stupid and bad as the Fortnite transmission, the neoliberal hillarybot centrism of TLJ, the pathetic cantina scene in TFA, etc.

If you buy into the idea that the prequels are legendarily, epically bad but that the sequels are good,ok, or even just ďnormalĒ bad, you are an idiot. The depiction of Finn is much more racist than anything about Jar Jar. The difference in the reception of the two trilogies is a scathing indictment of nerd culture.

Source your quotes please.

cuntman.net
Mar 1, 2013



CainFortea posted:

Source your quotes please.

agreed i would also like to know where to find more correct opinions like this

Chuck Buried Treasure
Dec 27, 2010



cuntman.net posted:

agreed i would also like to know where to find more correct opinions like this

indigi
Jul 20, 2004
I'M REALALY MAD I DON'T GET TO SAY THE R-SLUR ANYMORE


Pillbug

Badger of Basra posted:

TLJ is good actually

TLJ is about 40 minutes of cuts away from being good

A Gnarlacious Bro
Apr 25, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS


The last Jedi is like watching star wars characters talk about the twitter star wars discourse

David D. Davidson
Nov 17, 2012

Orca lady?

The Last Jedi suffered the problem that a lot of big budget blockbuster sequels had where they are just like one or two script drafts away from being good like it was so close but there were just one or two decisions made in the story that just didn't do what it needed to do.

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017


Quoth James Cameron,

"Nevermore"



I think the prequels are going to be mo;re memorably bad because they are unique, whereas the sequels are bad in the same bland way that Jurassic World and the DC movies and half of Marvel and so many other modern movies are

PinheadSlim
Apr 2, 2015

FRIENDS for EVER

The sequel trilogy feels like a fan film but with the budget and resources of the real deal, I can never escape this feeling when watching the trilogy.

Also I wanted to poo poo on them for including an extremely normal rear end looking casino in their sci-fi epic, but then I remembered Lucas included an extremely normal rear end looking 50s diner as a plot essential scene in his sci-fi epic.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised




The red speeder Anakin steals is a Star Wars version of the car from American Graffiti

FunkyAl
Mar 28, 2010

Your vitals soar.


PinheadSlim posted:

The sequel trilogy feels like a fan film but with the budget and resources of the real deal, I can never escape this feeling when watching the trilogy.

Also I wanted to poo poo on them for including an extremely normal rear end looking casino in their sci-fi epic, but then I remembered Lucas included an extremely normal rear end looking 50s diner as a plot essential scene in his sci-fi epic.

Stilll, the casino set is not terribly well designed or decorated. I felt like there should have been weird alien fine art all over the place, but the walls are all blank. It looks like a casino from star trek

a.lo
Sep 11, 2009



I went to see ROTS alone the other night and i have other thoughts about the Reylo kiss

I didnít like it one bit, I would like a Ben redemption arc but I wanted it to take longer than like a couple hours.

Yeah sure he always hesitated but he still hurt people specially Ray

Thatís one of the reasons why I donít agree with the kiss.

BUT I do think Ben and Rey share a connection that no one else has with either of them.

They can see what the other thinks (i think) they know each otherís weaknesses and having a bond like that with someone it really is intimate

No one will understand this kind of Jedi experience like the other.

Do I think they share a kinda unique type of connection? Yeap

Is that excuse or a valid reason to make Reylo cannon? Nope

Iím actually glad he died after the kiss

The alternatives in my head were:

-They kiss and he dies

Or

-they donít kiss and he goes with the Resistance

Apart from this dilemma, I think it was a great movie

Don Dongington
Sep 27, 2005

#ideasboom

College Slice

a.lo posted:

I went to see ROTS alone the other night and i have other thoughts about the Reylo kiss

I didnít like it one bit, I would like a Ben redemption arc but I wanted it to take longer than like a couple hours.

Yeah sure he always hesitated but he still hurt people specially Ray

Thatís one of the reasons why I donít agree with the kiss.

BUT I do think Ben and Rey share a connection that no one else has with either of them.

They can see what the other thinks (i think) they know each otherís weaknesses and having a bond like that with someone it really is intimate

No one will understand this kind of Jedi experience like the other.

Do I think they share a kinda unique type of connection? Yeap

Is that excuse or a valid reason to make Reylo cannon? Nope

Iím actually glad he died after the kiss

The alternatives in my head were:

-They kiss and he dies

Or

-they donít kiss and he goes with the Resistance

Apart from this dilemma, I think it was a great movie

Reylo was just the ending of titanic except in a universe where people can heal each other so it makes even less sense that they couldn't both make it out alive. Edit: Also the loving ST in general had a boner for making major characters die of exhaustion which is super loving boring. Throw a moon at them at least.

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

low vis




Don Dongington posted:

Reylo was just the ending of titanic except in a universe where people can heal each other so it makes even less sense that they couldn't both make it out alive. Edit: Also the loving ST in general had a boner for making major characters die of exhaustion which is super loving boring. Throw a moon at them at least.

Reylo was one of the worst and grossest things in the ST and part of what I really liked about TLJ was Rey slowly coming to realize that Kylo Ren was toxic and salvageable as a person and straight up ing at the end of the movie and never looking back. Shame we never got that final movie in the trilogy, I would have loved watching Kylo Ren's spiral into conflicted madness as he tries to fill the void in his soul with more power and more evil and Rey, Finn, Poe and Rose have to team up to stop him for good because he's just too far gone.

Weird how for something marketed as the Sequel Trilogy only got two movies, but whatever. gently caress Star Wars.

evobatman
Jul 30, 2006

it means nothing, but says everything!

Pillbug

At some point in the sequel trilogy there should have been a "don't kiss your sister" joke.

Mooey Cow
Jan 27, 2018



Pillbug

PinheadSlim posted:

The sequel trilogy feels like a fan film but with the budget and resources of the real deal, I can never escape this feeling when watching the trilogy.

That's because that's what they are. They even have Jedi fighting in the woods, a beloved staple of the fan film.

JethroMcB
Jan 23, 2004

We're normal now.
We love your family.


The Rise of Skywalker: Apparently That "We Demand a TLJ Do-Over!" Fan Petition Worked

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised




I haven't seen TROS, never will if possible, and still can't really believe they actually made Reylo canon.

Somehow worse relationship writing than Lucas himself.

Fantastic Foreskin
Jan 6, 2013

A golden helix streaked skyward from the Helvault. A thunderous explosion shattered the silver monolith and Avacyn emerged, free from her prison at last.



I didn't see ReyLo coming but the theatre full of college girls I saw it in ate it up so I guess they hit their mark.

PinheadSlim
Apr 2, 2015

FRIENDS for EVER

Don Dongington posted:

Edit: Also the loving ST in general had a boner for making major characters die of exhaustion which is super loving boring. Throw a moon at them at least.

That reminds me of something I noticed too.

In the original and prequel trilogies someone is maimed horribly or killed by a lightsaber in every single movie, at least once. The cantina scene, Lukes hand, and Vaders hand in the OT. Maul, Qui Gon, Dooku, Fett, Anakins limbs, in the PT.

How many horrible lightsaber wounds and deaths are there in the ST? There's Snoke but I can't really remember any more.

Fantastic Foreskin
Jan 6, 2013

A golden helix streaked skyward from the Helvault. A thunderous explosion shattered the silver monolith and Avacyn emerged, free from her prison at last.



Han

Big Beef City
Aug 15, 2013


DO NOT REPLY TO MY POSTS

DO NOT PROVOKE ME

I AM A DANGER TO MYSELF

AND I NEED HELP



My sense of entertainment

W.T. Fits
Apr 21, 2010

Dream Super Combo


Don Dongington posted:

Edit: Also the loving ST in general had a boner for making major characters die of exhaustion which is super loving boring. Throw a moon at them at least.

George Lucas: Padme died because she had a sad.
The Fans: That's the stupidest loving death in the history of ever.
Sequel Trilogy: Here, hold my beer.

Pilchenstein
May 17, 2012

So your plan is for half of us to die?



Hot Rope Guy

PinheadSlim posted:

How many horrible lightsaber wounds and deaths are there in the ST? There's Snoke but I can't really remember any more.
There's at least one in every film

Mooey Cow
Jan 27, 2018



Pillbug

W.T. Fits posted:

George Lucas: Padme died because she had a sad.
The Fans: That's the stupidest loving death in the history of ever.
Sequel Trilogy: Here, hold my beer.

Poor Luke, Force Skyped and died.

Poor Leia, died of Ligma.

Zore
Sep 21, 2010




PinheadSlim posted:

That reminds me of something I noticed too.

In the original and prequel trilogies someone is maimed horribly or killed by a lightsaber in every single movie, at least once. The cantina scene, Lukes hand, and Vaders hand in the OT. Maul, Qui Gon, Dooku, Fett, Anakins limbs, in the PT.

How many horrible lightsaber wounds and deaths are there in the ST? There's Snoke but I can't really remember any more.

Han gets gutted in TFA and Ren gets gutted in the same way in TROS (he gets better)

cuntman.net
Mar 1, 2013



han just fell off a bridge it didnt even really show him get stabbed. spinny bat guy and the royal guards got hosed up though

Fantastic Foreskin
Jan 6, 2013

A golden helix streaked skyward from the Helvault. A thunderous explosion shattered the silver monolith and Avacyn emerged, free from her prison at last.



cuntman.net posted:

han just fell off a bridge it didnt even really show him get stabbed. spinny bat guy and the royal guards got hosed up though

He gets impaled, blade sticking out his back and everything.

Zore
Sep 21, 2010




cuntman.net posted:

han just fell off a bridge it didnt even really show him get stabbed. spinny bat guy and the royal guards got hosed up though



?

cuntman.net
Mar 1, 2013



oh never mind then

PinheadSlim
Apr 2, 2015

FRIENDS for EVER

Lmao gently caress me, maybe I should watch them more than once.

CainFortea
Oct 15, 2004





PinheadSlim posted:

Lmao gently caress me, maybe I should watch them more than once.

Why do you hate yourself?

Fantastic Foreskin
Jan 6, 2013

A golden helix streaked skyward from the Helvault. A thunderous explosion shattered the silver monolith and Avacyn emerged, free from her prison at last.



PinheadSlim posted:

Lmao gently caress me, maybe I should watch them more than once.

Nah

Zoran
Aug 19, 2008

I lost to you once, monster. I shall not lose again! Die now, that our future can live!


the really criminal thing is that nobody lost a hand. (snoke doesnít count)

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nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

low vis




Zoran posted:

the really criminal thing is that nobody lost a hand. (snoke doesn’t count)

Phasma did in an alternate take on her fight with Finn in TLJ. That version included more character development for her and a more definitive death scene for her but Rian Johnson changed it because he thought JJ Abrams was going to use her in Ep 9 and well

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