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Sir DonkeyPunch
Mar 23, 2007

I didn't hear no bell


Brute Squad posted:



but the books say that he was exiled by his people for being an imperial collaborator. now he's a clown in naboo.

so.

mando season 2 gonna end with ahmed best singing vesti la giubba and going out onto the streets of theed.

Ex-squeeze me big doctor, but meesa am pagliacchi!

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SolarFire2
Oct 16, 2001

"You're awefully cute, but unfortunately for you, you're made of meat." - Meat And Sarcasm Guy!

Rewatching TLJ, they seem a little confused as to whether they're called the Rebels or the Resistance.

SlothfulCobra
Mar 27, 2011



It's interesting how Finn as a character cares deeply about Rey, more than he ever does about anything else, as the one person he's willing to be altruistic for (especially when he sees how useless the nuRebels are), and then if you look at Rey's perspective, he's barely a factor in her life, none of his help is really necessary, she basically lives in different movies from him.

I don't think there's even the implication that they hang out much offscreen, the only thing that really links them together is the presence as main characters in a movie where they share a poster.

Tulip
Jun 3, 2008

I have no country to fight for; my country is the earth; I am a citizen of the world.




SlothfulCobra posted:

It's interesting how Finn as a character cares deeply about Rey, more than he ever does about anything else, as the one person he's willing to be altruistic for (especially when he sees how useless the nuRebels are), and then if you look at Rey's perspective, he's barely a factor in her life, none of his help is really necessary, she basically lives in different movies from him.

I don't think there's even the implication that they hang out much offscreen, the only thing that really links them together is the presence as main characters in a movie where they share a poster.

So, Finn's the printer goon?

Emrikol
Sep 30, 2015


Is Rey even a member of the Resistance?

SlothfulCobra
Mar 27, 2011



Well, ostensibly the throughline of the first movie was the Resistance risking their lives just to get the USB drive of where Luke was, and then Rey was the person they sent on that high-priority mission, so I assume that she had some kind of standing. Or they just kinda decided to abandon the thing they spent all last movie doing for no real reason because nobody at any point ever planned where the series would go.

Chewbacca is also there, but at no point does anything to imply that he has any duties beyond flying the ship.

FunkyAl
Mar 28, 2010

Your vitals soar.


SlothfulCobra posted:

Well, ostensibly the throughline of the first movie was the Resistance risking their lives just to get the USB drive of where Luke was, and then Rey was the person they sent on that high-priority mission, so I assume that she had some kind of standing. Or they just kinda decided to abandon the thing they spent all last movie doing for no real reason because nobody at any point ever planned where the series would go.

Chewbacca is also there, but at no point does anything to imply that he has any duties beyond flying the ship.

He doesnt eat a chicken

Rev. Bleech_
Oct 19, 2004

We was comin' back from the island of Tinian to Leyte - just delivered the BUMB, the Hiroshima bumb. Eleven hundred men went into the water.



you guys would appreciate how genius Rise of Skywalker was if you'd just played Fortnite first

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

low vis




This thread has had a more complete three part arc than the Sequel Trilogy did.

Toph Bei Fong
Feb 29, 2008

You can't see me at all...



One of the things that people have a problem with in The Last Jedi is the timeframe. During the middle of a pitched chase, Poe sends out Rose and Finn to do Casino hijinks, and then they make it back to the fleet with only a couple hours having passed, the chase scene still in progress.

Legit criticism. It's a weird element of the movie. Hyperspace seems to be as fast as the plot needs it to be.

In Empire Strikes Back, we have a similar problem. Luke spends what looks like weeks or months training on Dagobah. Meanwhile, maybe a day or two have passed for Han, Leia, Chewie, and the droids in the asteroid field and on Cloud City. It's easily handwaved because Dagobah is a mystical, dreamlike place where lots of Force stuff is happening.

Fair point to bring up, and many have. Doesn't really detract from the movie. Empire is awesome.

Meanwhile, in Star Wars, Tarkin blows up Alderaan right before Luke and co arrive. It goes, Tarkin says Leia is going to be executed, and threatens to blow up Alderaan, Leia says the rebels are on Dantooine, Tarkin blows up Alderaan anyways. Cut to Luke training with the remote, Obi-Wan needs to sit down, Han says they'll be there shortly, Luke does the thing with the helmet that's got the lowered blast shield, and then Han says they've arrived. These scenes seem to be happening right at the same time. However, right after this scene, there's one of Tarkin being informed that their scout ships have returned from Dantooine, investigated a rebel base, and found that it was long abandoned. Tarkin then says to execute Leia immiedately. Have the scouts really gotten all the way to Dantooine, looked around, and radioed back in the, maybe five-ten minutes that have passed? There's no indication that Siward Cass or the scouts are lying.

Again, doesn't detract from my enjoyment of the movie. A minor squabble at best. Star Wars is a great movie, and I wouldn't have watched it so many times and wouldn't continue coming back to it if it wasn't. But the time passing does matter because we're ticking down the clock to Leia's execution.

So, why does the timeframe in TLJ bother folks so much, while in SW and ESB it doesn't?

Grendels Dad
Mar 5, 2011

Popular culture has passed you by.

Toph Bei Fong posted:

One of the things that people have a problem with in The Last Jedi is the timeframe. During the middle of a pitched chase, Poe sends out Rose and Finn to do Casino hijinks, and then they make it back to the fleet with only a couple hours having passed, the chase scene still in progress.

Legit criticism. It's a weird element of the movie. Hyperspace seems to be as fast as the plot needs it to be.

In Empire Strikes Back, we have a similar problem. Luke spends what looks like weeks or months training on Dagobah. Meanwhile, maybe a day or two have passed for Han, Leia, Chewie, and the droids in the asteroid field and on Cloud City. It's easily handwaved because Dagobah is a mystical, dreamlike place where lots of Force stuff is happening.

Fair point to bring up, and many have. Doesn't really detract from the movie. Empire is awesome.

Meanwhile, in Star Wars, Tarkin blows up Alderaan right before Luke and co arrive. It goes, Tarkin says Leia is going to be executed, and threatens to blow up Alderaan, Leia says the rebels are on Dantooine, Tarkin blows up Alderaan anyways. Cut to Luke training with the remote, Obi-Wan needs to sit down, Han says they'll be there shortly, Luke does the thing with the helmet that's got the lowered blast shield, and then Han says they've arrived. These scenes seem to be happening right at the same time. However, right after this scene, there's one of Tarkin being informed that their scout ships have returned from Dantooine, investigated a rebel base, and found that it was long abandoned. Tarkin then says to execute Leia immiedately. Have the scouts really gotten all the way to Dantooine, looked around, and radioed back in the, maybe five-ten minutes that have passed? There's no indication that Siward Cass or the scouts are lying.

Again, doesn't detract from my enjoyment of the movie. A minor squabble at best. Star Wars is a great movie, and I wouldn't have watched it so many times and wouldn't continue coming back to it if it wasn't. But the time passing does matter because we're ticking down the clock to Leia's execution.

So, why does the timeframe in TLJ bother folks so much, while in SW and ESB it doesn't?

Because it's emphasized throughout the movie several times. General Hux could have put up a giant alarm clock and say "The rebel scum has this much time before they run out of fuel!" and it wouldn't have felt out of place. The other two movies don't constantly talk about how time is running out.

muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005




Rise of Skywalker has exactly the same problem where at the beginning of the movie they say they only have so many hours until the new fleet of Star Destroyers launch. The big fight at the end is the fleet launching so everything that happens takes place over that stretch of time.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised




'Ticking time bomb' is something that can work really well with exactly the right writer, and works really, really badly with literally everyone else that tries it as an absolutely desperate attempt to create tension because they have no faith in getting the audience invested in any other way at all.

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017


Quoth James Cameron,

"Nevermore"



I don't really get the ANH/ESB criticisms on time. I don't get the sense that everything is happening in hours or days. We're checking in on the important bits, but there's probably whole days of sitting on the Falcon playing Star Chess while Leia notes the heights of the stormtroopers bringing her lunch. Same for ESB. That's how I've interpreted it since I was a kid, but I'm a weirdo so

Grendels Dad
Mar 5, 2011

Popular culture has passed you by.

muscles like this! posted:

Rise of Skywalker has exactly the same problem where at the beginning of the movie they say they only have so many hours until the new fleet of Star Destroyers launch. The big fight at the end is the fleet launching so everything that happens takes place over that stretch of time.

At least in RoS they kinda forget about it so it's not that weird when Rey et al. dick around on Burning Man planet. Nobody cares enough to hurry.

TLJ keeps cutting back to Huxley proclaiming "And now we have destroyed THREE out of FIVE ships from their fleet" with a shot of the fleet snail-racing away from the FO while getting shot at.

SlothfulCobra
Mar 27, 2011



I guess theoretically time itself is relative and moves at different speeds throughout the galaxy, but that's not really the intention of the movies.

I think they're all within some tolerance of eachother, but what makes it feel more acceptable in Empire Strikes Back is that Han and Leia go through a complex journey with changes of setting, zooming around the Star Destroyers, going through the asteroids, parking and relaxing for a bit only to escape from the space slug, and making their way to the apparent safety of Cloud City. That feels like a lot has happened, so it's fine for Luke to go through his montage and act like he's on Dagobah for at least a week. That's different from how pretty explicitly nothing is changing and no progress is being made in the low-speed chase. They're not going on a journey, they're barely even trying to create the aesthetic appearance of motion through space. It'd probably flow better if they were holed up in a bunker getting shelled for weeks rather than being chased through space for hours.

And in addition to that, The Last Jedi doesn't really ask for the audience to believe that the characters are existing in the same timeframe at the beginning of the movie; it just expects them to accept it like two thirds of the way through. Empire Strikes Back starts with an event that united the two separate groups of characters, but Last Jedi never really did. And it technically has four separate groups of characters doing their own things, so it set out more work for itself and more ways that the audience's understanding of the flow could break from the movie.

I think a larger time discrepancy is that Rey's storyline clearly starts right after the last movie left off, whereas in the other side of the movie the first order has totally conquered the galaxy (although maybe that's just implying that they had already conquered most of the galaxy in the other movie? It kinda ambiguous there) and Leia has formed and deployed a whole new fleet of ships for Poe to get annihilated, and they don't have whatever planet they were based on in the last movie. But that's probably more a problem with the Force Awakens sticking in a teaser for a movie that wasn't written and didn't even have the vaguest of plot outlines planned out yet.

Toph Bei Fong
Feb 29, 2008

You can't see me at all...



Edgar Allen Ho posted:

I don't really get the ANH/ESB criticisms on time. I don't get the sense that everything is happening in hours or days. We're checking in on the important bits, but there's probably whole days of sitting on the Falcon playing Star Chess while Leia notes the heights of the stormtroopers bringing her lunch. Same for ESB. That's how I've interpreted it since I was a kid, but I'm a weirdo so

This is the correct answer. I've seen Star Wars probably 200 times since I was a kid, and last night's watch is the first time I ever noticed the Falcon trip taking only a couple hours(?) according to a stricter read of the scenes.

SlothfulCobra posted:

But that's probably more a problem with the Force Awakens sticking in a teaser for a movie that wasn't written and didn't even have the vaguest of plot outlines planned out yet.

It's interesting reading interviews with Mark Hamill about this.

https://www.cinemablend.com/news/2442600/mark-hamill-says-luke-skywalker-even-changed-between-the-force-awakens-and-the-last-jedi posted:

J.J. said, 'Oh and by the way I'll probably put in a couple of floating boulders to show the Force emanating from you, as strong as it is.' So I'm thinking for VIII, I'm going to have Force Lightning coming out of every orifice of my body. You know, lifting an eyebrow and toppling AT-ATs like dominoes. That would have been fun to be that powerful! Plus, I wouldn't have to do much. They wouldn't have to teach me choreography to do lightsaber duels. I'd just have to do this [points] and let the special effects guy do everything.

Which, honestly, would have been a little weird. Rey walks up, and Luke just starts tossing boulders around? I mean, great visual, but kinda also not Star Wars. We get a much more Yoda style introduction to him, and I think it works better.

It's fun reading Hamill talk about Star Wars in general, honestly:

https://www.rollingstone.com/movies/movie-features/mark-hamill-goes-deep-on-life-as-luke-skywalker-from-star-wars-to-last-jedi-128952/ posted:

Luke is much smarter than I am. But I love the idea… I’d forgotten how there’s so many times where they would set it up that whatever was important was right in front of Luke. He meets Obi Wan and doesn’t get it. He meets Yoda, he doesn’t get it. He’s not real organized in terms of how he’s going to get the Princess off the Death Star. That’s one of things that jumped out at me when I first read the very first Star Wars was that it was so relatable when you got to the Princess. “You came in that?!” We risked our lives, and she’s complaining about the transportation. That’s so relatable. If you had a teenage sister that made your father drop them off a block away from school so they wouldn’t see the piece of crap car that you drove, that’s so relatable! It’s so human. You’re in this fantasy world, fighting and all this stuff, and she says something like that. That’s what really got me, is how human and relatable the humor was there. And the fact that she just effortlessly said, “You call this a plan?” Grabs our gun and really takes charge. That’s effortless feminism. It’s not like, “Oh, I’m a damsel in distress, please save me.” That’s before I ever met Carrie or anybody. Just reading that screenplay, I thought, “Oh my god, this is so funny.”

And I’m the straight man to these robots. Luke has much less depth than these robots. Less personality. Robots arguing over whose fault it is and who’s going to get blamed? I just thought it was delightful. When I screen tested, I said, “Is this like we’re sending it up and it’s fun?” George would say, “Let’s just try one and we’ll talk about it later.” Which later I realized is a standard response.”Let’s just do it and we’ll talk about it later.” Translation: “Let’s just do it and never, ever talk about it later.” And then Harrison was there and I got him aside. He was in American Graffiti, so he could tell me if this is a Mel Brooks thing. “Who talks like this? It’s goofy.”

Plus, since Harrison was a traditional leading man, and I hadn’t read the screenplay, I thought he was the star of the film, and that I was Bucky to his Captain America, that I was the kid sidekick. Because in the screen test that we did, I was kind of annoying and he was so cool. But I’ll never forget, I remember the chair I was sitting in, the one-bedroom apartment looking out at the beach looking at the sundown of the ocean, and I couldn’t believe it. I was thrown for a minute. I thought, “Wait a minute.” Because on the front page, it said “The Adventures of Luke Starkiller.” [Lucas soon changed the last name.] I said, “Wait a second. I thought I was Luke. Oh, Harrison must have been Luke.” I started reading it and then I got to where they’re describing me and I said, “Wait a second. I’m Luke!” I didn’t think I was the star of the movie, I thought it was just from my point of view.

Sir DonkeyPunch
Mar 23, 2007

I didn't hear no bell


Toph Bei Fong posted:

This is the correct answer. I've seen Star Wars probably 200 times since I was a kid, and last night's watch is the first time I ever noticed the Falcon trip taking only a couple hours(?) according to a stricter read of the scenes.


It's interesting reading interviews with Mark Hamill about this.


Which, honestly, would have been a little weird. Rey walks up, and Luke just starts tossing boulders around? I mean, great visual, but kinda also not Star Wars. We get a much more Yoda style introduction to him, and I think it works better.

What was going to be JJ's excuse for why Luke was still doing Force poo poo, but didn't seem to care about the First Order or his trainee out there blowing up systems?

Toph Bei Fong
Feb 29, 2008

You can't see me at all...



Sir DonkeyPunch posted:

What was going to be JJ's excuse for why Luke was still doing Force poo poo, but didn't seem to care about the First Order or his trainee out there blowing up systems?

"Uhm, hey, look over there! Two Star Destroyers wielded together to make a Super TIE Destroyer!"


(credit to https://lparchive.org/Tie-Fighter/)

"And uh, hey hey hey! Looks who's back! It's Lobot! You remember Lobot, right?"

Sir DonkeyPunch
Mar 23, 2007

I didn't hear no bell


Toph Bei Fong posted:

"And uh, hey hey hey! Looks who's back! It's Lobot! You remember Lobot, right?"

Hell yes I do, Lobot rules!

AdmiralViscen
Nov 2, 2011




ESB specifically contrives a scenario where the Falcon has no hyperdrive, and has to travel to another system at much slower sub-light speeds, to give Luke an excuse to spend weeks/months with Yoda.

Now, in reality sub-light speeds would never get you anywhere. But the movie does make a point of saying that this trip is going to take way longer than what we saw in the previous movie.

OctoberCountry
Oct 9, 2012


AdmiralViscen posted:

TLJ specifically contrives a scenario where the Fleet has no hyperdrive, and has to travel to another system at much slower sub-light speeds, to give Rey an excuse to spend weeks/months with Luke.

Now, in reality sub-light speeds would never get you anywhere. But the movie does make a point of saying that this trip is going to take way longer than what we saw in the previous movie.

Grendels Dad
Mar 5, 2011

Popular culture has passed you by.


Except it's not weeks/months, it's hours or days.

TheDeadlyShoe
Feb 14, 2014

pretense is my co-pilot


SlothfulCobra posted:

I guess theoretically time itself is relative and moves at different speeds throughout the galaxy, but that's not really the intention of the movies.

I think they're all within some tolerance of eachother, but what makes it feel more acceptable in Empire Strikes Back is that Han and Leia go through a complex journey with changes of setting, zooming around the Star Destroyers, going through the asteroids, parking and relaxing for a bit only to escape from the space slug, and making their way to the apparent safety of Cloud City. That feels like a lot has happened, so it's fine for Luke to go through his montage and act like he's on Dagobah for at least a week. That's different from how pretty explicitly nothing is changing and no progress is being made in the low-speed chase. They're not going on a journey, they're barely even trying to create the aesthetic appearance of motion through space. It'd probably flow better if they were holed up in a bunker getting shelled for weeks rather than being chased through space for hours.

And in addition to that, The Last Jedi doesn't really ask for the audience to believe that the characters are existing in the same timeframe at the beginning of the movie; it just expects them to accept it like two thirds of the way through. Empire Strikes Back starts with an event that united the two separate groups of characters, but Last Jedi never really did. And it technically has four separate groups of characters doing their own things, so it set out more work for itself and more ways that the audience's understanding of the flow could break from the movie.

I think a larger time discrepancy is that Rey's storyline clearly starts right after the last movie left off, whereas in the other side of the movie the first order has totally conquered the galaxy (although maybe that's just implying that they had already conquered most of the galaxy in the other movie? It kinda ambiguous there) and Leia has formed and deployed a whole new fleet of ships for Poe to get annihilated, and they don't have whatever planet they were based on in the last movie. But that's probably more a problem with the Force Awakens sticking in a teaser for a movie that wasn't written and didn't even have the vaguest of plot outlines planned out yet.
You're right that its a larger discrepancy but its never something brought up first. It doesn't grab peoples attention.

Perhaps the lesson is that if you want audiences to skip over your timeline problems, all you really have to do is not draw explicit attention to your timeline. The ticking time bomb is an easy way to create tension, but used lazily this is the result. You gotta keep a tight control on your timeline if its going to be your central plot. But who can expect Star Wars with its unlimited budget to be up to the standards of cinematic masterpieces like 24?

AdmiralViscen
Nov 2, 2011





I don’t even dislike TLJ, but this doesn’t work. It’s not a flawless movie.

Up Circle
Apr 3, 2008


Edgar Allen Ho posted:

I don't really get the ANH/ESB criticisms on time. I don't get the sense that everything is happening in hours or days. We're checking in on the important bits, but there's probably whole days of sitting on the Falcon playing Star Chess while Leia notes the heights of the stormtroopers bringing her lunch. Same for ESB. That's how I've interpreted it since I was a kid, but I'm a weirdo so

This is how I always interpreted both of those movies. Especially the trip from Tatooiinnee to aldeerraann, in my head hyperspace was never immediate, so the idea of them having spent a few days to even a couple weeks just playing chess with the talking animal seemed normal to me. There was never the urgency or immediacy that TLJ had. I don't want to rewatch it but I would bet TFA has the same vibe even without the chase set-up.

Up Circle fucked around with this message at 22:49 on Dec 10, 2020

David D. Davidson
Nov 17, 2012

Orca lady?

At least in Hope the Empire is at the height of it's power. The Death Star may not be anywhere near Dantoonie but perhaps some other star destroyer is near there.

SlothfulCobra
Mar 27, 2011



I generally try to frame my criticism of movies in how it makes me feel rather than trying to do a gotcha about some logical plothole, and both Force Awakens and Last Jedi start with some really abrupt dramatic grisly deaths that the movies then desperately need me to forget about immediately to be able to play around like the rest of the movie wants, but Last Jedi feels the need to cut back to it so how could anyone possibly have fun with the rich casino planet when the movie won't let you relax to enjoy it?

People complain about the scenes of talking politics in episode 1, but if they showed public executions on Naboo instead, how could anyone spare any concern for Tatooine or Coruscant? Getting to Coruscant is even the same sort of shaggy dog story as the casino ended up as, but that never really ends up as people's complaints about it.

I wonder if I'd be more charitable to Rey's side of the movie as well if it had more room to breathe.

Toph Bei Fong
Feb 29, 2008

You can't see me at all...



Well, this is some interesting news.

https://film.avclub.com/patty-jenkins-to-become-the-first-woman-to-direct-a-sta-1845855918 posted:


The Disney Investor Conference soldiers on with more major news, including the announcement that Patty Jenkins will directing a new Star Wars film, Rogue Squadron.

Currently scheduled to release on Christmas 2023, the Wonder Woman director will helm a new Lucasfilm story that follows that different pilots across Star Wars universe. Jenkins released a brief video detailing her excitement for the new story, which ends with her donning the iconic pilot uniform and helmet.

As Variety notes, this new project make Jenkins the first woman to direct a Star Wars film. This is the second time she has managed such a record-setting feat, as she was also the first woman to direct a movie with a budget over $100 million. Women have previous been part of the directing team, which is the case for Victoria Mahoney, who was the second unit director on The Rise Of Skywalker. Deborah Chow and Bryce Dallas Howard have also directed episodes of The Mandalorian for Disney+.

This development arrived with deluge of new Star Wars-related news, including a new Lando-centered limited event directed by Justin Simien and two Mandalorian spin-offs. Disney announced that there would be 10 new Star Wars projects in total over the course of the next few years. Disney also released the trailer for Star Wars: Bad Batch, an animated look at the Clone troopers.

https://twitter.com/PattyJenks/status/1337177394625478656

https://twitter.com/MikeStackpole/status/1337179202626355201

SlothfulCobra
Mar 27, 2011



God drat, just when I thought I could write off the movies, they pull me back in.

I hope they re-license that HD remake collection of the games that Factor 5 had in a closet before they ceased to be.

CainFortea
Oct 15, 2004





Toph Bei Fong posted:

One of the things that people have a problem with in The Last Jedi is the timeframe. During the middle of a pitched chase, Poe sends out Rose and Finn to do Casino hijinks, and then they make it back to the fleet with only a couple hours having passed, the chase scene still in progress.

Legit criticism. It's a weird element of the movie. Hyperspace seems to be as fast as the plot needs it to be.

In Empire Strikes Back, we have a similar problem. Luke spends what looks like weeks or months training on Dagobah. Meanwhile, maybe a day or two have passed for Han, Leia, Chewie, and the droids in the asteroid field and on Cloud City. It's easily handwaved because Dagobah is a mystical, dreamlike place where lots of Force stuff is happening.

Fair point to bring up, and many have. Doesn't really detract from the movie. Empire is awesome.

Meanwhile, in Star Wars, Tarkin blows up Alderaan right before Luke and co arrive. It goes, Tarkin says Leia is going to be executed, and threatens to blow up Alderaan, Leia says the rebels are on Dantooine, Tarkin blows up Alderaan anyways. Cut to Luke training with the remote, Obi-Wan needs to sit down, Han says they'll be there shortly, Luke does the thing with the helmet that's got the lowered blast shield, and then Han says they've arrived. These scenes seem to be happening right at the same time. However, right after this scene, there's one of Tarkin being informed that their scout ships have returned from Dantooine, investigated a rebel base, and found that it was long abandoned. Tarkin then says to execute Leia immiedately. Have the scouts really gotten all the way to Dantooine, looked around, and radioed back in the, maybe five-ten minutes that have passed? There's no indication that Siward Cass or the scouts are lying.

Again, doesn't detract from my enjoyment of the movie. A minor squabble at best. Star Wars is a great movie, and I wouldn't have watched it so many times and wouldn't continue coming back to it if it wasn't. But the time passing does matter because we're ticking down the clock to Leia's execution.

So, why does the timeframe in TLJ bother folks so much, while in SW and ESB it doesn't?

Because in SW and ESB they don't have to have been all happening at the same time. For all we know the falcon futzed around doing other stuff before going to cloud city.

In TLJ it's very explicitly happening at the same time.

Loveshaft
Nov 3, 2020



I can’t keep track of how many Star Wars media Disney has in development anymore.

Comstar
Apr 20, 2007

But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Princess Celestia


Loveshaft posted:

I can’t keep track of how many Star Wars media Disney has in development anymore.

10. There are 10 Star Wars TV series coming. I lost track of the movies.

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

low vis




Comstar posted:

10. There are 10 Star Wars TV series coming. I lost track of the movies.

So that's what? Mando, Andor, Rangers of the Republic, Obi-Wan, Bad Batch, and Ahsoka. So depending how you count Mando, that leaves 4 maybe 5 chances left that one of the is Shadows of the Empire...

Angry Salami
Jul 27, 2013

Don't trust the skull.


The problem with TLJ isn't the timeline, it's that just by existing, the casino plot completely undermines the chase plot.

"We can't go to another star system because the First Order is tracking us!"
"I have a solution - I'll go to another star system to hire a guy to shut down their tracking!"
"Brilliant!"

You can't build a tense siege story and also have characters blithely wander off to go elsewhere for half the movie. If they can go to Casino planet to waste time, why can't everyone go there? Why can't Finn and Rose go to the outer rim to call for help if they can leave so easily?

Woebin
Feb 6, 2006





Angry Salami posted:

The problem with TLJ isn't the timeline, it's that just by existing, the casino plot completely undermines the chase plot.

"We can't go to another star system because the First Order is tracking us!"
"I have a solution - I'll go to another star system to hire a guy to shut down their tracking!"
"Brilliant!"

You can't build a tense siege story and also have characters blithely wander off to go elsewhere for half the movie. If they can go to Casino planet to waste time, why can't everyone go there? Why can't Finn and Rose go to the outer rim to call for help if they can leave so easily?
My understanding was that only the big ships were tracked. The sequels have lots of problems but this doesn't strike me as one of them at all.

Grendels Dad
Mar 5, 2011

Popular culture has passed you by.

Woebin posted:

My understanding was that only the big ships were tracked. The sequels have lots of problems but this doesn't strike me as one of them at all.

But... since the smaller ships were also capable of lightspeed travel, what kept the rebellion from just putting everyone on those and escape?

AdmiralViscen
Nov 2, 2011




Or just sending one ship to another destination, as they did, but to call for help, which was the reason the main fleet was going to that salt planet?

Woebin
Feb 6, 2006





Yeah, fair enough. Not like I actually remember more than a vague outline of that movie's plot by now anyway.

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Jan 17, 2005




nine-gear crow posted:

So that's what? Mando, Andor, Rangers of the Republic, Obi-Wan, Bad Batch, and Ahsoka. So depending how you count Mando, that leaves 4 maybe 5 chances left that one of the is Shadows of the Empire...

They announced them all yesterday. There are those plus

Visions - basically the Animatrix but Star Wars

A Droid Story - basically Droids (the old cartoon) 2.0

The Acolyte - light on details but it is a mystery/thriller set in the "High Republic"

Lando - Lando

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