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I'm genuinely unclear on why Obi-Wan would be murdering Dexster Jettster.
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That is a good-rear end snipe, I gotta say.
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# ? Jun 9, 2021 06:06 |
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Cease to Hope posted:I'm genuinely unclear on why Obi-Wan would be murdering Dexster Jettster. Well you see, Jedi lust for the blood of the innocent because FAARRRTTT
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# ? Jun 9, 2021 06:41 |
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Grendels Dad posted:Doctor Evazan in A New Hope Why am I not surprised the guy who gets 5 seconds of screen time before having his arm cut off has 50 pages of backstory fluff and was Actually Really Important.
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# ? Jun 9, 2021 06:47 |
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Cease to Hope posted:I'm genuinely unclear on why Obi-Wan would be murdering Dexster Jettster. From memory didn't he tell Obi-Wan what planet to go to based on a dart? And Obi-Wan and Yoda want to go into hiding. If I was Obi-Wan I wouldn't want someone out there that had the ability to tell the evil empire that was bent on hunting me where I was based on some mundane item. In fact it would be stupid of Obi-Wan to not merk him.
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# ? Jun 9, 2021 07:05 |
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kilus aof posted:In fact it would be stupid of Obi-Wan to not merk him.
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# ? Jun 9, 2021 08:54 |
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The only conclusion we can draw is that as a powerful force user in his own right, Obi-wan would be unable to eliminate Dexter Jettster.
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# ? Jun 9, 2021 09:22 |
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Megillah Gorilla posted:Why am I not surprised the guy who gets 5 seconds of screen time before having his arm cut off has 50 pages of backstory fluff and was Actually Really Important. He's got a death sentence in 12 systems don't you know?
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# ? Jun 9, 2021 15:11 |
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Cease to Hope posted:I'm genuinely unclear on why Obi-Wan would be murdering Dexster Jettster. I'm pretty sure that was a separate thought to the Sleazebaggano thing, and GD was just saying that Dexter was smart
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# ? Jun 9, 2021 15:52 |
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Guy A. Person posted:I'm pretty sure that was a separate thought to the Sleazebaggano thing, and GD was just saying that Dexter was smart Yeah this, just terrible grammar on my part. Though the thread has come up with some nice justifications to cover my shame.
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# ? Jun 10, 2021 06:00 |
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Grendels Dad posted:Yeah this, just terrible grammar on my part. Though the thread has come up with some nice justifications to cover my shame. i understood what you meant, the alternative was just too funny
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# ? Jun 10, 2021 06:51 |
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The one consistent thing is that using the Dark Side is apparently the equivalent to doing a mountain of cocaine.
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# ? Jun 10, 2021 19:51 |
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sheev and vader do both have kind of hosed up noses, it's true
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# ? Jun 10, 2021 20:23 |
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Also watched the Mortis arc in Clone Wars and that was some weird poo poo.
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# ? Jun 11, 2021 06:47 |
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# ? Jun 11, 2021 14:30 |
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Also watched the Mortis arc in Clone Wars and that was some weird poo poo. which one was that
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# ? Jun 11, 2021 16:37 |
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indigi posted:which one was that Season 3, the one where they find a big magic planet inhabited by extremely allegorical godlike Force wielders and poo poo gets very meta
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# ? Jun 11, 2021 18:26 |
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By far, the worst parts of televised Star Wars are the episodes where they try to make the Force into a Harry Potter/Dungeons & Dragons kind of deal, where allegory and metaphor are discarded in favour of making the Force just some kind of Lawful Good Magic Energy vs. Chaotic Evil Magic Energy lore.
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# ? Jun 11, 2021 18:36 |
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oh yeah that was weird, the one where Anakin sees the future and decides to go along with it anyway. very odd
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# ? Jun 11, 2021 21:38 |
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on review, their noses are less hosed than I recalled
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# ? Jun 12, 2021 04:37 |
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indigi posted:oh yeah that was weird, the one where Anakin sees the future and decides to go along with it anyway. very odd Pretty sure the whole deal is that he sees the future- specifically, all the hosed up poo poo he's going to do- and goes Dark Side immediately to avoid that. Kind of a big deal is made of the Son being apparently a personification of the Dark Side's destructive impulsiveness as a result of good intentions and unmanaged trauma. Given the Son has plenty of humanising moments and overall seems more in need of someone to talk to than to be killed, it's kinda wild that some Sith Lords (mainly Sidious) are more evil than the Dark Side. The treatment of the Dark Side is interesting, since most full on Sith master/apprentice relationships we see are the full on cycle of abuse. Right after that, there's the introduction of Savage Oppress, which basically is a full arc about how he's dehumanised (so to speak), broken down, abused and brainwashed into being little more than a living weapon, his attempts to hold onto his decency being actively forced out of him. Actually, it becomes pretty clear that the Dark Side runs on drama, every single Sith Lord and adjacent being we see is the biggest goddamn drama queen. Which is probably why they suck at long-term planning and cooperation, and Sidious only manages to play the long game well by orchestrating a literal galactic drama with him as the ringmaster.
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# ? Jun 12, 2021 06:31 |
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Actually, it becomes pretty clear that the Dark Side runs on drama, every single Sith Lord and adjacent being we see is the biggest goddamn drama queen. Which is probably why they suck at long-term planning and cooperation, and Sidious only manages to play the long game well by orchestrating a literal galactic drama with him as the ringmaster. Lol I like this
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# ? Jun 12, 2021 15:36 |
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Pretty sure the whole deal is that he sees the future- specifically, all the hosed up poo poo he's going to do- and goes Dark Side immediately to avoid that. Kind of a big deal is made of the Son being apparently a personification of the Dark Side's destructive impulsiveness as a result of good intentions and unmanaged trauma. Given the Son has plenty of humanising moments and overall seems more in need of someone to talk to than to be killed, it's kinda wild that some Sith Lords (mainly Sidious) are more evil than the Dark Side. I remember the choice being 1) give up your attachments, stay here to become the new avatar of balance,and let your friends die; or 2) choose personal gratification over the good of the galaxy to save your friends and leave, whereupon this will happen *vision of him becoming Darth Vader* and he chooses to save Ahsoka and Obi Wan e: also idk how they suck at long term planning when they managed to orchestrate a millennia spanning effort to destroy the Jedi order and take over the galaxy indigi fucked around with this message at 18:10 on Jun 12, 2021 |
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indigi posted:I remember the choice being 1) give up your attachments, stay here to become the new avatar of balance,and let your friends die; or 2) choose personal gratification over the good of the galaxy to save your friends and leave, whereupon this will happen *vision of him becoming Darth Vader* and he chooses to save Ahsoka and Obi Wan One Sith did that, mostly just the one. Before Bane cranked up the exclusivity of the brand the average Sith attempt at galactic conquest was getting a big trashy pile of lunatics together and mustering an army of curiously enduring design aesthetics , then having a good running start at it before they slam face first into a wall. Hell, even after the rule of two was put in practice it doesn't look like much got done before the Sheev show started.
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# ? Jun 19, 2021 05:26 |
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Fantastic Foreskin posted:He's got a death sentence in 12 systems don't you know? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbSixPMrT2o
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# ? Jun 19, 2021 19:10 |
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indigi posted:I remember the choice being 1) give up your attachments, stay here to become the new avatar of balance,and let your friends die; or 2) choose personal gratification over the good of the galaxy to save your friends and leave, whereupon this will happen *vision of him becoming Darth Vader* and he chooses to save Ahsoka and Obi Wan Doesn't this happen in the Avatar cartoon? (except there's no eventual payoff when the protagonist chooses his friends)
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# ? Jul 20, 2021 07:00 |
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OutsideAngel posted:Doesn't this happen in the Avatar cartoon? (except there's no eventual payoff when the protagonist chooses his friends) Not really? Aang misunderstands what it means to give up his attachments. (IE, it doesn't mean he CAN'T have any personal relationships or cares- that's mostly his own teenage insecurities talking. In fact, it's actually brought up that the Avatar cannot achieve enlightenment, because they are tied spiritually to the world.) Also that's not really how the episode goes, the Son is basically 'Join with me now or this will happen *shows becoming Darth Vader*', which is understandably something Anakin can't exactly let go of to the point where the Father has to erase his memory of events to make sure he does become Darth Vader. Honestly it's a pretty interesting take because it's basically Anakin trying to choose the lesser of two evils, as the destiny he's shown is something he very understandably wants to avoid by any means necessary.
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# ? Jul 20, 2021 07:08 |
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The consequence in Avatar was that Aang got his avatar chi broken for a while, and his ability to access the avatar state would be delayed and it was questionable whether he'd even be able to do it ever again when they were on a pretty tight timetable for stopping the genocide of the entire Earth Kingdom. It's more analogous to how Yoda wanted Luke to let his friends suffer so he could finish his training to become a Jedi and be actually ready to defeat Vader and the Emperor, and the consequence to that was losing a hand and having to figure out the rest of his training on his own.
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# ? Jul 20, 2021 16:42 |
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Though iirc it's implied that Aang literally has a physical block from accessing the Avatar state until getting thrown around by Ozai gets him a rock in the right point in his spine where Azula had zapped him and unblocks the chi vvv: When writing sci-fi/fantasy in particular, sometimes that's just exactly what you gotta do. No one gives a poo poo about plot holes as long as the ride is smooth and the themes are consistent, no matter how much the nerds bitch. (because nerds are often the worst at actually understanding narrative themes and tone, what with the whole 'treat media as found footage' attitude) Ghost Leviathan fucked around with this message at 10:32 on Jul 21, 2021 |
# ? Jul 21, 2021 06:40 |
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Yeah some poo poo in the third season made no sense but whatever it nailed the vibe
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# ? Jul 21, 2021 07:37 |
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I wonder how much of the contemporary criticism of the prequels had anything to do with the post-9/11 wave of jingoism that was seizing the country. Like either from people thinking Lucas was criticizing the government going to war. Or conversely, people who were sick of the jingoism and didn't think that Lucas's movies of the march of the Republic to war weren't direct enough criticism to be directly relevant, since a lot of that got pretty muddled. I don't think much of it was particularly meant to be contemporary commentary, especially since if you dig into the numbers on when Attack of the Clones was written, most of it was pre-9/11, and it even came out before the Iraq war started. I wasn't really old enough at the time to be really aware of any of the specifics about the criticism of the movies or understand all that much about politics other than things sure seemed to be changing and not for the better. So I'd be interested to hear other people's accounts. I do know for sure that whether because the surprising contemporary political relevance of the prequels or because of the senate scenes in the prequels just being boring and doing badly with audiences, the sequels seemed to very intentionally steer away towards that, not just trying to be apolitical, but refusing to put anything into perspective in the contexts of some kind of galactic perspective. Which it's not like the original trilogy was all that focused on politics, but it was still there, trucking along in the background. And then since the sequels were trying to springboard off of the original trilogy, that creates some kind of obligation to follow up on the chief accomplishments of the original trilogy. And I just was never satisfied with just checking in with Luke and Leia and Han and just kinda shrugging as to what happened to whatever they were fighting for.
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# ? Jul 31, 2021 00:26 |
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Pretty sure it was because they sucked.
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# ? Jul 31, 2021 00:46 |
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CainFortea posted:Pretty sure it was because they sucked.
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# ? Jul 31, 2021 00:48 |
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escándalo!
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# ? Jul 31, 2021 00:53 |
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SlothfulCobra posted:I wonder how much of the contemporary criticism of the prequels had anything to do with the post-9/11 wave of jingoism that was seizing the country. Phantom Menace was summer of 1999 and widely panned. 9/11 didn't really factor into the initial negative reaction.
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# ? Jul 31, 2021 01:00 |
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on the other hand, it's possible that phantom menace caused 9/11
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# ? Jul 31, 2021 01:51 |
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Cease to Hope posted:Phantom Menace was summer of 1999 and widely panned. 9/11 didn't really factor into the initial negative reaction. "widely panned" is doing a lot of legwork in this sentence
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Cease to Hope posted:on the other hand, it's possible that phantom menace caused 9/11 yeah bin laden got the idea from anakin flying into the trade federation ship
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Anakin Skywalker outflew all of those nine eleven hijackers like it wasn't even a contest.
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