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Chairchucker
Nov 14, 2006

The man was stunningly well dressed. He had a smart looking jacket, and a really neat looking cape, the lining of which was shimmering and sparkling in more than Oriental splendour, which is a great deal of splendour indeed, just ask Kipling.



teacup posted:


...make footy more progressive, ...keep the grand final in fortress Victoria where it belongs

lol

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MysticalMachineGun
Apr 5, 2005



We've gone a bit off track but you literally compared people wanting more footy in their home states to conservatives claiming to ban abortions but still using them and

thepokey
Jul 20, 2004

Let me start off with a basket of chips. Then move on to the pollo asado taco.

Keep the GF at the MCG but reduce the corporate tickets and increase the public tickets. At least to 50/50. What even is the current ratio? And of that ratio was kept the same at a smaller ground like Footy Park for example, how many could actually get tickets?

teacup
Dec 20, 2006

Who would win in a fight? Taylor Swift or Daryl Somers?

MysticalMachineGun posted:

We've gone a bit off track but you literally compared people wanting more footy in their home states to conservatives claiming to ban abortions but still using them and

I stand by it

cmndstab
May 20, 2006

Huge Internet Celebrity!

I generally find arguments about whether there is a Vic bias and what impact is has to be pretty insufferable, so let's try to drill this down to the simple facts.

There is obviously a Victorian bias in the AFL. When you have more than half your teams and the main base of operations based in one state, that's pretty much inevitable. The bias is present both in the way the game is covered by the media, and the organisation itself.

Clubs that have to travel more often and further than others are at a clear disadvantage in terms of preparation, recovery and fatigue.

The primary advantage that non-Victorian clubs have is the "true" home games, which is clearly an enormous advantage, and one which is enjoyed far less often by Victorian teams. This generally has the effect of making strong non-Victorian teams appear even stronger in terms of their ladder position.

By the end of the season, the strongest teams on the ladder are likely to be the strongest teams from throughout the season. Injury and fatigue issues aside, I'm perfectly happy to accept that the minor round is a reasonably fair ranking of the teams, particularly at the top and bottom of the ladder. Middle of the ladder, not so much, but those teams rarely go through to a Grand Final.

Then, when we get to the Grand Final, the only match that actually counts, and if a non-Victorian team plays a Victorian team, they are at an immediate and sizable disadvantage. And you can quite reasonably imagine a scenario where a stronger team loses to the weaker team because of that disadvantage. (No, I'm not saying the Crows were better than Richmond in 2017, they obviously weren't and the years since then have made that obvious). After a minor round where the various imbalances kind of even up in the end, this is clearly unfair to half of the teams in the league.

Arguments that we need a stadium that can hold 80000+ people for the GF are disingenuous. The AFL would not go bankrupt without their Grand Final payday. Pretty much every team in the AFL has a home ground that can hold 40000+ people. That's plenty. Keep out the corporate seats, and let the fans attend.

Obviously in an ideal world, the GF would be in a completely neutral venue, but that's logistically impossible. Then, if any team is going to have an advantage, it should be the team that performed higher during the year.

realbez
Mar 23, 2005



Fun Shoe

30 new posts! Maybe theyíve announced that footy is coming baó oh

NPR Journalizard
Feb 14, 2008



cmndstab posted:

Clubs that have to travel more often and further than others are at a clear disadvantage in terms of preparation, recovery and fatigue.

I do particularly enjoy it when clubs complain about having to fly over to Perth and the difficulties that brings.

Robodog
Oct 22, 2004

...how does that work?


GF with no crowd, only way to be fair imo

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

Build a thunderdome in Alice springs and play every game there, one after another

Spedman
Mar 12, 2010

Kangaroos hate Hasselblads

realbez posted:

30 new posts! Maybe theyíve announced that footy is coming baó oh

drunkill
Sep 25, 2007

me @ ur posting


Fallen Rib

crows have been busted running a training 'camp' at a golf course they rented out.

Cops are investigating them breaking the states social distancing rules for quarantined players returning from interstate.

realbez
Mar 23, 2005



Fun Shoe

Ah good, we get Adelaide drama even during a suspended season

NTRabbit
Aug 15, 2012

i wear this armour to protect myself from the histrionics of hysterical women

bitches






drunkill posted:

crows have been busted running a training 'camp' at a golf course they rented out.

Cops are investigating them breaking the states social distancing rules for quarantined players returning from interstate.

They didn't break any SA laws, the only thing they have allegedly broken is the VFL rules restricting the SA and WA teams from training while Victoria is still under lock down.

realbez
Mar 23, 2005



Fun Shoe

NTRabbit posted:

They didn't break any SA laws, the only thing they have allegedly broken is the VFL rules restricting the SA and WA teams from training while Victoria is still under lock down.

lol I love it

NTRabbit
Aug 15, 2012

i wear this armour to protect myself from the histrionics of hysterical women

bitches






The easy way to solve this is to take the 14 teams from the eastern states, send half each to WA and SA to serve 14 day quarantines, and then restart the league behind closed doors in decidedly safe from covid places, but we can't do that because how dare football not be played in Victoria

Quantum Shart
Sep 5, 2011

Oh yeah, baby. Frame your suffering as a masterpiece. Only one problem - no one's watching. It's boring, buddy, boring as death.


https://twitter.com/FootyRhino/status/1257887027799842816?s=19
WAs Premier with the vicbias

NTRabbit
Aug 15, 2012

i wear this armour to protect myself from the histrionics of hysterical women

bitches







VFL would rather spread a pandemic than risk the disaster of football happening somewhere that isn't Melbourne

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

Love to tell players they cant see their family or kids because god forbid there not be football for a while longer

teacup
Dec 20, 2006

Who would win in a fight? Taylor Swift or Daryl Somers?

NTRabbit posted:

VFL would rather spread a pandemic than risk the disaster of football happening somewhere that isn't Melbourne

Oof this is spicy

snaeksikn
Feb 28, 2010




WA also has quite a lot of interstate mining workers coming under the same umbrella. 2 weeks mandatory quarantine when flying into the state for everyone. AFL is welcome to accommodate these rules while they're in play I guess.

Chairchucker
Nov 14, 2006

The man was stunningly well dressed. He had a smart looking jacket, and a really neat looking cape, the lining of which was shimmering and sparkling in more than Oriental splendour, which is a great deal of splendour indeed, just ask Kipling.



Solemn Sloth posted:

Love to tell players they cant see their family or kids because god forbid there not be football for a while longer

Yeah footy doesn't actually matter TBH. (Also the Crows suck right now so whatevs.)

cmndstab
May 20, 2006

Huge Internet Celebrity!

I only briefly skimmed over the article regarding Adelaide's training when I saw it earlier, but my understanding was that there is nothing wrong with their training setup. They're at an isolated venue and each player trains with one partner and otherwise socially isolates.

It was one particular drill which was done wrong, or something? Not sure, like I say, I only skimmed it.

cmndstab
May 20, 2006

Huge Internet Celebrity!

Chairchucker posted:

Yeah footy doesn't actually matter TBH. (Also the Crows suck right now so whatevs.)

Yeah, it's amazing how much less I care about our annual off-season debacles when I have absolutely no expectations of them winning a premiership any time soon

thepokey
Jul 20, 2004

Let me start off with a basket of chips. Then move on to the pollo asado taco.

I heard that an evil wizard called Victor Iahbias cast a spell on the Adelaide players causing them to break isolation and do naughty things

NTRabbit
Aug 15, 2012

i wear this armour to protect myself from the histrionics of hysterical women

bitches






cmndstab posted:

I only briefly skimmed over the article regarding Adelaide's training when I saw it earlier, but my understanding was that there is nothing wrong with their training setup. They're at an isolated venue and each player trains with one partner and otherwise socially isolates.

It was one particular drill which was done wrong, or something? Not sure, like I say, I only skimmed it.

Someone said they had a 16 player drill going, which was probably just two groups of 8 players training 30 metres apart, which SAPOL told them they were allowed to do, but that's against the 'rules' that the AFL haven't written down but have been arbitrarily enforcing against the SA and WA teams.

snaeksikn
Feb 28, 2010



thepokey posted:

I heard that an evil wizard called Victor Iahbias cast a spell on the Adelaide players causing them to break isolation and do naughty things

Victor labias, the porn star?

realbez
Mar 23, 2005



Fun Shoe

thepokey posted:

I heard that an evil wizard called Victor Iahbias cast a spell on the Adelaide players causing them to break isolation and do naughty things

Lmao

The article said Adelaide broke the afl rules that were made to ensure an even playing field. AFL clubs need to follow AFL rules.

Chairchucker
Nov 14, 2006

The man was stunningly well dressed. He had a smart looking jacket, and a really neat looking cape, the lining of which was shimmering and sparkling in more than Oriental splendour, which is a great deal of splendour indeed, just ask Kipling.



I've sometimes wondered about that, like in other circumstances where someone's banned from training or whatever. I mean surely if it's legal for them to go out and exercise in this manner, AFL can't actually do anything about it if, hypothetically of their own volition, someone goes out and exercises with a ball with one of their mates.

realbez
Mar 23, 2005



Fun Shoe

No, probably not. But this wasnít a couple of mates exercising with a ball.

Chairchucker
Nov 14, 2006

The man was stunningly well dressed. He had a smart looking jacket, and a really neat looking cape, the lining of which was shimmering and sparkling in more than Oriental splendour, which is a great deal of splendour indeed, just ask Kipling.



So where's the cutoff? Is there one?

I will be representing all players accused of unauthorised training and employing the haggling defence.

Weird Sandwich
Dec 28, 2011


NTRabbit posted:

Someone said they had a 16 player drill going, which was probably just two groups of 8 players training 30 metres apart, which SAPOL told them they were allowed to do, but that's against the 'rules' that the AFL haven't written down but have been arbitrarily enforcing against the SA and WA teams.

You realise that if one set of teams is able to do larger and more complex training drills while other teams are restricted due to lockdown, then that gives an unfair advantage right? Assuming that footy is going to be back at all this year. The legality of the training according to SA and WA police doesn't matter, the AFL has to enforce compliance with the rules of whichever state has the strictest lockdown at any given time.

snaeksikn
Feb 28, 2010



Weird Sandwich posted:

You realise that if one set of teams is able to do larger and more complex training drills while other teams are restricted due to lockdown, then that gives an unfair advantage right? Assuming that footy is going to be back at all this year. The legality of the training according to SA and WA police doesn't matter, the AFL has to enforce compliance with the rules of whichever state has the strictest lockdown at any given time.

In order to make it even I support the NT hub idea for all players to have equal travel requirements. Also because SA is close to NT, Adelaide teams need to relocated to Tasmania beforehand so there's not too much of an advantage.

snaeksikn
Feb 28, 2010



Will be interesting if the SANFL and WAFL can get back and running before the AFL

realbez
Mar 23, 2005



Fun Shoe

Chairchucker posted:

So where's the cutoff? Is there one?

I will be representing all players accused of unauthorised training and employing the haggling defence.

The cutoff would probably be if the club was involved

NTRabbit
Aug 15, 2012

i wear this armour to protect myself from the histrionics of hysterical women

bitches






realbez posted:

Lmao

The article said Adelaide broke the afl rules that were made to ensure an even playing field. AFL clubs need to follow AFL rules.

The AFL needs to actually accept reality and run the AFL hub out of SA and WA rather than set unfair rules to handicap the SA and WA teams because they refuse to allow any option that has football being player outside of Victoria, despite the blatantly obvious difference in COVID cases and state laws. Until then the SA and WA clubs should just ignore AFL house and do what's right for the sport, rather than what's right for Gillon and the VFL.

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

Iíd rather the whole season get cancelled than players and their families be pressured into some garbage hub idea where they donít see each other for weeks/months on end.

but people need something to look forward to! Buy a Netflix account instead of expecting families to suddenly go single parent for you to get your rocks off on sportsball. Football is about as far from an essential service as you could get

but other workers are putting themselves at risk or disrupting their and their families lives, why shouldnít footballers that get paid way more. Yes. They are. In many cases in jobs that should not currently be operating. Thatís not a reason to gently caress over other people. People in legit essential industries should be getting hazard pay to accommodate the risk they are being exposed to. The fact that they arenít is again not a reason to gently caress over footballers and their families.

Hubs are a loving garbage idea and it has nothing to do with vic bias or integrity of the competition. They will cause harm to the players and their families through forced separation and football ainít loving worth it.

snaeksikn
Feb 28, 2010



hot take: if conferences are good enough for the womens comp surely its good enough for the mens?

Chairchucker
Nov 14, 2006

The man was stunningly well dressed. He had a smart looking jacket, and a really neat looking cape, the lining of which was shimmering and sparkling in more than Oriental splendour, which is a great deal of splendour indeed, just ask Kipling.



snaeksikn posted:

hot take: if conferences are good enough for the womens comp

let me stop you there

Quantum Shart
Sep 5, 2011

Oh yeah, baby. Frame your suffering as a masterpiece. Only one problem - no one's watching. It's boring, buddy, boring as death.


Saying vfl over and over again cause I have brain damage and can't recognise the eastern seaboard

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Nutsngum
Oct 9, 2004

I don't think it's nice, you laughing.

Solemn Sloth posted:

Iíd rather the whole season get cancelled than players and their families be pressured into some garbage hub idea where they donít see each other for weeks/months on end.

but people need something to look forward to! Buy a Netflix account instead of expecting families to suddenly go single parent for you to get your rocks off on sportsball. Football is about as far from an essential service as you could get

but other workers are putting themselves at risk or disrupting their and their families lives, why shouldnít footballers that get paid way more. Yes. They are. In many cases in jobs that should not currently be operating. Thatís not a reason to gently caress over other people. People in legit essential industries should be getting hazard pay to accommodate the risk they are being exposed to. The fact that they arenít is again not a reason to gently caress over footballers and their families.

Hubs are a loving garbage idea and it has nothing to do with vic bias or integrity of the competition. They will cause harm to the players and their families through forced separation and football ainít loving worth it.

This is a pretty garbage way of thinking mate. If you accept that then why ever bother with the football again? You literally just hosed off one entertainment industry whilst going on about signing up to another. As one of those pricks who is in an essential service and still gets paid shitasticly I say bring on the loving football.

If there is an actual feasible method to do this that isnt actually risky then I dont see an issue. Meanwhile, there are thousands and thousands of jobs out there where people dont see their families for months and months on end. If the individual players want to opt out, fine they can cut their pay further and sit it out.

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