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4lokos basilisk posted:the most recent macos version it supports is many years eol already if that counts Open Core Legacy Patcher is legit. I run Sonoma on an old 2012 imac with it and you'd never know it wasnt supposed to work that way
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Silver Alicorn posted:retronauts’ cutoff for “retro” games is 10 years. it felt very strange when they covered dark souls the definition of retro is always subjective, but it's especially weird for video games where the gulf between a 20 year old game and a 10 year old game is far greater than a 10 year old game and a new one, and it just gets more extreme the further back you go. games are kinda geometrically retro
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there’s a lot of resistance to the ps3 and 360 being considered retro because nobody wants to think about people leaving high school whose first console was a ps4
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for computers retro is the 8-bit/16-bit era. for consoles it's things up to the ps2 these are fixed cut offs and will never change a pentium 4 or an og xbox are not retro and never will be
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Oct 31, 2023 21:40
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ps3 and xbox 360 are not retro because they are like 2005 or something and its currently the year 2007 so it doesn’t meet the cutoff
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we're farther from new vegas's release than new vegas was from fallout one at launch lol
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"retro" is sort of leveraging the incredibly powerful and economically valuable emotion of nostalgia, and therefore it means "anything anyone is nostalgic for" irrespective of how long ago or not very long ago it occurred. However, the maximum economic value of nostalgia occurs when the people experiencing it have the most amount of money they'll have in their lives, which is why the things that 50-60 year old white men are nostalgic for dominate. Until a few years ago that was stuff like corvettes and bell bottoms and 8 tracks and the fear of nuclear war. Now, it's 80s stuff, gremlins and D&D and jean jackets and the NES and vinyl records. In another ten years the magic: the gathering and beanie babies and Friends and air jordans and iMacs. Etc. That's just where the money is though. The main point is, people in their mid 20s right can be nostalgic for things from their mid teens, which was just ten years ago. Totally reasonable.
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i was thinking about this kind of stuff while i was watching "dazed and confused" the other day; a film i was watching in 2023, which itself was released in 1993, about the events occurring at a high school in 1976
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I remember people talking in 1998 about playing old games made in 1992, and the 8-bit era was treated like something completely lame and outdated. Games that had 2d graphics or were just more arcade than whatever RTS/RPG was flavor of the month could count on having it's marks slashed in half in mags and were treated like budget titles or something that showed up too late on shelves The graphics is what most people point out when it comes to deeming something "old" or outdated, but it's mostly design that ages the most. X360/PS3 games can be recognized to belong to the certain era immediately on sight I brought a Sega Megadrive Mini to the work some time ago, and my 20-yo team mates didn't consider the graphics old or not, but were complaining about being unable to change the camera in games or controls being too limited/lacking the analog movement. Later we played the Quake remaster on PS5 and the game immediately clicked with most of those who I've played with. One of the guys even compared it to the game he used to play a lot as a kid on his dad's PC, it being Killing Floor 2 
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if antiques roadshow has taught me anything, it is that nostalgia value dies off with old people. a fancy piece of jewelry might be timeless, but the value of your big boy sign or whatever thing you are hoarding crateredwhen the last person who ate at a big boy died.
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Wild EEPROM posted:ps3 and xbox 360 are not retro because they are like 2005 or something and its currently the year 2007 so it doesn’t meet the cutoff they can be retro when the next college football video game comes out
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laserghost posted:I remember people talking in 1998 about playing old games made in 1992, and the 8-bit era was treated like something completely lame and outdated. Games that had 2d graphics or were just more arcade than whatever RTS/RPG was flavor of the month could count on having it's marks slashed in half in mags and were treated like budget titles or something that showed up too late on shelves quake is a modern game from which almost all fpses derive direct lineage. console games of the era are all really bad because they were designed that way to inflate play time.
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Oct 31, 2023 23:07
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any console not currently being sold is retro. Wii-u? retro. vita? retro ps4? not retro yet. easy peasy
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Beve Stuscemi posted:any console not currently being sold is retro. npd reported 1 new wii u sale last month, not retro
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EIDE Van Hagar posted:if antiques roadshow has taught me anything, it is that nostalgia value does off with old people. a fancy piece of jewelry might be timeless, but the value of your big boy sign or whatever thing you are hoarding crateredwhen the last person who ate at a big boy died. Absolutely true. Rarity and condition etc. are factors of course, and some kinds of timeless stuff transcends the nostalgia spend and winds up being valued forever, but that's incredibly rare. Still working Game Boys will probably peak in value in like... 2040? After that they'll just be old rear end garbage handhelds nobody wants, a curiosity for a museum or collection maybe.
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makes sense, I have zero nostalgia or interest for the pre-nes video game era because I didn’t grow up with it, it’s all pretty worthless to me, it probably not to someone who had one back in the day.
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Oct 31, 2023 23:27
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maybe. my so still has their original c64 and we get it out and play sometimes. i never had one but it’s fun to gently caress around with
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Would you pay ten thousand dollars for one, if that's what they cost now? That's the thing I'm commenting on really, not "would I be interested in having this" but "does this trigger my nostalgia so hard I'll shell out serious money for it." To put it a slightly different way, I think old typewriters are kinda neato and if I had one I'd probably fiddle around with it now and again. But I'm not interested in paying more than, maybe like $25 for one? And I'm definitely not allocating storage space for more than one typewriter.
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NoneMoreNegative posted:Well this might be just up your hovercar drat that is pretty rad, thanks.
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Beve Stuscemi posted:Open Core Legacy Patcher is legit. I run Sonoma on an old 2012 imac with it and you'd never know it wasnt supposed to work that way someone mentioned it in this thread and yeah, my 2012 mba runs so well it's wild. I was using it as a Plex server but now I sorta want to make it a laptop again
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I got it with 8gb and lol that that's now the base config 11 years later
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Beve Stuscemi posted:Open Core Legacy Patcher is legit. I run Sonoma on an old 2012 imac with it and you'd never know it wasnt supposed to work that way it was mostly fine on my 2015 macbook, but for some reason, trying to debug anything resulted in the debugger crashing. ventura is fine though
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NoneMoreNegative posted:Well this might be just up your hovercar wasnt thing qirex's av or something?
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i'm building a blazing fast win98se machine out of a cheap core 2 duo with ide compatibility mode, an nvidia 6600 card, and anywhere from 512MB to 3GB of ddr2 ram depending on which stick(s) i use emphasis on assembling it cheaply. sure, could have tried to get a period-appropriate pentium 3 with 64mb ram or whatever, but those parts are more rare/expensive these days, when the above is at the landfill pricing stage of its lifecycle and if i get it working then it'll be real fast so that's nice
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if you get into retro computers or consoles with real hardware now you have to be 100% about that life and understand that you're going to be cracking that thing open to keep it running pretty regularly. i have a ps1 i love dearly and i've had to replace the disc mechanism once.
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i'd already pimped out a 486 to the point that the only original parts are the case and motherboard/riser, everything else has been replaced and/or maxed out. the machine itself isn't anything special except that it's the first household computer my family had i imagine the motherboard will need a whole bunch of new capacitors at some point but it's doin fine so far
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my bro's got a sweet rear end retro setup with one o them sony VTR's what got all the BNCs on the back and it looks so so good
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how are caps on 486s fairing these days? I'm pretty tied into the mac retro community so I know which computers are mine fields, but i'm pretty out of the loop when it comes to dos era pcs.
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Im pretty happy that I don’t have the retro game console or computer brain worm. i gently caress around with retroarch once a year but get bored pretty quickz and I had some old macs sitting around once but sold them because I never had any use for them
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e-cards. did these die completely along with flash? haven't received any, even from my godmother, who would send those flash e-cards on christmas...
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HELLOMYNAMEIS___ posted:e-cards. did these die completely along with flash? haven't received any, even from my godmother, who would send those flash e-cards on christmas... they replaced them with weird ml-assisted ones, so santa can speak to you! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WG3jZmSZbLE
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they got built into various messenger apps too, so your grandparents can spam you on facebook messenger too
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EIDE Van Hagar posted:if antiques roadshow has taught me anything, it is that nostalgia value dies off with old people. a fancy piece of jewelry might be timeless, but the value of your big boy sign or whatever thing you are hoarding crateredwhen the last person who ate at a big boy died. we might wait a while for that last thing https://maps.app.goo.gl/PsgEqikNxtf3E1bVA?g_st=ic i do totally agree that “retro” seems to be just what a rich cohort of generally old white guys like. its like that also in music synth world - its often important to get a big old analog tube hardware thing or a remake of one, instead of getting one of the million free vsts to achieve the same sound. ie the “retro” crowd is sometimes more interested in having a status symbol instead of an actual instrument which is fine by me, I’ll buy it off you barely used once you find a new shiny 
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I’m a big fan of the Jupiter 8 softsynth, especially given how expensive a real one costs now
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njsykora posted:there’s a lot of resistance to the ps3 and 360 being considered retro because nobody wants to think about people leaving high school whose first console was a ps4 the ps3 and 360 were basically the point at which game consoles became semi-custom pc hardware shoved in a locked-down box. the goofy ps3 cpu aside, there's nothing really interesting or unique about them capability-wise, they're just slower versions of what exists now. the same goes for general pc hardware from the win98-era and on, which is why i don't get people who are into the idea of retro xp machines certain things will always be interesting because of clever, unique, or just completely bonkers design, while other old things are just old and outdated
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the goofy ps3 cpu is basically the goofy xbox 360 cpu. a bigger difference would be nvidia vs. ati i guess it's funy tech poo poo that ms basically just had ibm use all of the r&d sony was paying for
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Beeftweeter posted:the goofy ps3 cpu is basically the goofy xbox 360 cpu. a bigger difference would be nvidia vs. ati i guess Nah the xbox didn’t have the SPE coprocessors. It’s my understanding that these didn’t get used very well but I’ve heard a ton of hype about them. If anyone can tell me how they’re different than APU shaders or if they’re actually good in any way I’d be curious.
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Internet Old One posted:Nah the xbox didn’t have the SPE coprocessors. the main core of the cell and the cores in the 360 cpu are basically the same. the teams working on them were literally in the same room at ibm. the cell was interesting for a very brief period before nvidia rolled out cuda, then gpu compute rendered the it obsolete overnight
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remember the era of googling for "orielly bookshelf cd" and finding a bunch of people hosting the cd publicly for when you needed to reference the camel book or whatever?
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