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Kernel Sanders
Sep 15, 2020
its possible to create super impressive music with dawless, but I feel that a skill in its own, like playing a physical instrument

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mg2HZ0B8a9o

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Woolwich Bagnet
Apr 27, 2003



welp this is basically a complete departure from what i was making before

https://soundcloud.com/poltzart/electronic-wip2

did that in a couple of hours last night, low voice after the beat starts is me singing with some reverb, need to record the rest this evening

synths are good and fun, and pigments is amazing

Zam Wesell
Mar 22, 2009

[Zam is suddenly shot in the neck by a toxic dart; Anakin and Obi-Wan see a "rocket-man" take off and fly away, and Zam dies]
personally what I've found works the best for me is starting out "dawless" for inspiration/to get a groove going/loving around with synth patches etc, but letting the computer take over when I've got a proper track going and don't want the "limits" of hardware anymore (especially with regards to sequencing and automation). best of both worlds imo.

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005

i go the opposite route where i am quite unmusical, but as synths happen to be pretty easy software to construct (given some decent building blocks) i write a program generating some glorious sounds now and then.

Kernel Sanders
Sep 15, 2020
Eurorack is basically functional programming for sound

Kernel Sanders
Sep 15, 2020
this monad really slaps!

Zam Wesell
Mar 22, 2009

[Zam is suddenly shot in the neck by a toxic dart; Anakin and Obi-Wan see a "rocket-man" take off and fly away, and Zam dies]

Cybernetic Vermin posted:

i go the opposite route where i am quite unmusical, but as synths happen to be pretty easy software to construct (given some decent building blocks) i write a program generating some glorious sounds now and then.

neat. what do you program this in?

Laserjet 4P
Mar 28, 2005

What does it mean?
Fun Shoe

Kernel Sanders posted:

Eurorack is basically functional programming for sound

modular synths are analog computers but pure functional implies no sideeffects and given that you are wiring up a giant breadboard i have my doubts

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005

Zam Wesell posted:

neat. what do you program this in?

i have an ever accruing pile of c++, but am pretty sure most of it can be replaced with various higher level open-source bits these days (e.g. various bits i've picked up over the years to simulate popular old filters). should put in the effort to clean it up a bit and post about it, i honestly think the barrier to entry in kind of fun audio software is lower than the blender nodevember stuff.

Woolwich Bagnet
Apr 27, 2003



first piece with guitar is done! had a lot of fun with this one trying out new sounds and whatnot

https://soundcloud.com/poltzart/time-waits-for-no-one

it's so impressive what DAWs, samples, and synths can do these days.

just about done with my first 'trace' song as well

Jonny 290
May 5, 2005



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ooh deets on the guitar? sounds good

Woolwich Bagnet
Apr 27, 2003



it's from eastwest's ministry of rock 2, the schecter 7 string lead with NI's replika and phasis on top of it

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


Zam Wesell posted:

good post.

the world only needs so many 16-step long boring techno music

my approach to anything i make is ďitís been done before, and by someone better and smarter than youĒ. because the truth is that thereís a finite amount of combinations and permutations out there, and there are so many people who make music with so much time spent before you that the bottom of the barrel has been worn away to dust.

nothing you make is going to be original or The Next Big Thing, so give up on that. just make whatever, because what you make doesnít really matter to anyone except yourself.

Zam Wesell posted:

personally what I've found works the best for me is starting out "dawless" for inspiration/to get a groove going/loving around with synth patches etc, but letting the computer take over when I've got a proper track going and don't want the "limits" of hardware anymore (especially with regards to sequencing and automation). best of both worlds imo.

this is more or less the direction Iím heading and itís really only that I have a couple physical modules already and I want to work with one of them in a way that isnít a huge pain in the dick

also people keep looking at dawless as a way to force themselves into creativity but youíre just gonna anxiety scroll on your phone anyway so no amount of physical hardware will save you if your brain is hosed

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


but you should ignore me cuz I bought a bunch of music gear today that Iíll prolly just ignore 🤡

Woolwich Bagnet
Apr 27, 2003



speaking of making stuff you like, here's a i guess trace? song

i think this is p much my first fully synth thing

https://soundcloud.com/poltzart/move-it

chopping up voice is fun

Jonny 290
May 5, 2005



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you roll up to this show how many sets of earplugs are you tryin to wear

bonus points if you can tell me what band it is without reverse image searching

Tayter Swift
Nov 18, 2002

Pillbug
i want to make music again but cant because the pup wont let me have more than fifteen seconds of concentration to myself

Jonny 290
May 5, 2005



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i am trying to keep my poo poo together while i re-learn cubase

love my renoise but it's not appropriate for mixing live and sequenced instruments

Zam Wesell
Mar 22, 2009

[Zam is suddenly shot in the neck by a toxic dart; Anakin and Obi-Wan see a "rocket-man" take off and fly away, and Zam dies]

Jonny 290 posted:



you roll up to this show how many sets of earplugs are you tryin to wear

bonus points if you can tell me what band it is without reverse image searching

first thing that came to mind was sun o)))?
saw 'em live a few years ago (in a church no less), was pretty great and hypnotizing

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May 5, 2005



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Zam Wesell posted:

first thing that came to mind was sun o)))?
saw 'em live a few years ago (in a church no less), was pretty great and hypnotizing

nailed it in one. and yeah i'd love to go see them but i would be epoxying my ears ahead of time

Zam Wesell
Mar 22, 2009

[Zam is suddenly shot in the neck by a toxic dart; Anakin and Obi-Wan see a "rocket-man" take off and fly away, and Zam dies]
a wise decision

killhamster
Apr 15, 2004

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i've been shopping this around for feedback for a while but i think i'm done. i'm remixing a song to play as part of a set at my wedding reception & this is the tentative final version:

https://soundcloud.com/killhamster/enjoy-the-silence-rmx/s-XCkdfnITaeH?si=e2e61b2a69b94f9488644a87b197ade9

Woolwich Bagnet posted:

speaking of making stuff you like, here's a i guess trace? song

i think this is p much my first fully synth thing

https://soundcloud.com/poltzart/move-it

chopping up voice is fun

what'd you use to chop the vocals up?

Woolwich Bagnet
Apr 27, 2003



killhamster posted:

i've been shopping this around for feedback for a while but i think i'm done. i'm remixing a song to play as part of a set at my wedding reception & this is the tentative final version:

https://soundcloud.com/killhamster/enjoy-the-silence-rmx/s-XCkdfnITaeH?si=e2e61b2a69b94f9488644a87b197ade9

what'd you use to chop the vocals up?

did it in reaper. it's easier if you render the part you want to cut up first. then you can just drag it so it's how long you want it. attacks work best since they make a good chopped up sound with their variation, or you can use a fast volume envelope. then copy it however many times, take the last one and shorten the end of it more, rinse and repeat. putting a bit of a gap before them amplifies the effect even more. i used a separate track so that it didn't have so much reverb on it



then threw a low pass filter with small bandwidth and 5-6 db of gain and slid it down to get the freq modulation (purple lane)



listening to the song you linked and i like it. sounds great to me, good work!

i finished this one earlier today:

https://soundcloud.com/poltzart/it-tolls-for-you

i freakin love masse from spitfire. all the strings are from it, and give a really nice sound without any fiddling around. first time really using dissonance in a track and drat is it nice.

piano part in the center was me just throwing down the next note that sounded good to me. wrote it in like 2 minutes just moving up or down depending on where in the register i was

e: added images

Woolwich Bagnet fucked around with this message at 05:52 on Nov 21, 2021

4lokos basilisk
Jul 17, 2008


Jonny 290 posted:

The same thing happened with aaaaaany software stuff that touched a guitar. I remember jaw-dropping when i read the october '96 Guitar World magazine article on trent reznor at the phrase "And He Processes The Guitars Through An Computer" and thought "holy poo poo what potential". But until like the mid 00s, all the Rock Dudes poo poo on it. because we didn't quite have enough power to faithfully emulate a 1967 fender twin so it did sound kind of flat and synthetic.

it never ceases to amaze me how none of those Rock Dudes ever figured out that you can always amp your sound through a real thing and have the best of both worlds. ah no let me just spend huge amounts of money for the exact same pedal they had in the 70s

while the guys who did use those pedals in the 70s get their sound with some emulation and cheapo behringer clones

Jonny 290 posted:

So where does this leave modular stuff? IMO, here's the sell. There aren't any presets. I have battled for twenty years with this workflow:

* Install new plugin
* Flip through the 372 presets included
* "that sounds okay. Let me tweak the cutoff envelope down 5% so i don't feel guilty, and then write a song with it."

Modular setups don't suffer from this. You're stapling poo poo together from different designers and manufacturers, wiring things up yourself, and then "uhhh ok well i guess i'll set all the knobs to 50% and see what it sounds like and i'll go from there."

They have incredible power in this regard! You aren't using somebody else's patches because you can't. it's tactile, it's analog, you can't save patches so you get a slightly different sound every time you flip the power switch. it provides you a sandbox with an opaque tent around it; sure, people share 'modular patches' on forums that are just photographs of how the knobs are set, but due to the very nature of eurorack setups, nobody's gonna have the exact same rig as anybody else (and if they do buy every single thing that Famous Musician uses in their eurorack they are missing the god damned point). I think that they have a huge potential for creativity and originality, and that's why it disappoints me when people just doodle on them aimlessly.

yeah sure but (based on many visits to modular festivals, concerts, expos)

90% of what is labeled "modular" music by the artist themselves mostly sounds the same. sure, it sounds mathematically unique and their personal modular setup is one of a kind in the world, but again we are talking about small differences that are heard by only true modular heads who know exactly the difference between Serge BlerpBlorpler and Doepfer BlorpBlerpler which is cool and all but not why i am into music

a huge amount of musicians use modular-eurorack-serge what have you in their music making process. this bunch is divided into 2 camps:
1) people who just make music and maybe you will find out 60 years later in a biography that wow they had a eurorack setup
2) people who are all "hey look its modular music, look at these lights" posting gear porn on their instagram. other gear might apply here too, but you don't have a genre or label like "acoustic drums music", so modular kind of stands out in this regard

however when i think about modular synthesizers, mostly my only reference point is the 2nd bunch and this is a huge bummer because it kind of flattens the whole potential of modulars into "an expensive box with lights that makes helicopter sounds"

i guess what i mean is i kind of prefer "modular MUSIC" instead of "MODULAR music" and it's not so easy to find good examples of the former

also you should never never feel bad about using a preset, many artists you like are using presets in your favorite tracks, you just don't know it. also also, gibson sg + a marshall amp is a preset
also also also - no such thing as a preset if you put it through effects

Woolwich Bagnet
Apr 27, 2003



i like presets because they give me a starting point to get to the sound that i have in my head, and then i can save what i've made afterwards

but sometimes i just go in with a blank canvas and start connecting and adding stuff to see how it sounds (Aurturia ARP 2600)



like sometimes you dont want to spend 10 hours messing with a synth when you have something in your head that you dont want to lose

also i had the final fantasy IV four fiends battle music stuck in my head for some reason last night so i updated it a bit

https://soundcloud.com/poltzart/ffiv-four-fiends/s-LLUxtbu7UGq?si=374f84e5fdf14f5bb87fbcce229e0caf

prob do a few others that i like

oh and i also made the worst possible image for my soundcloud



had to extend the top to put my awful text on it

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
what's absolutely badass is using a mod matrix to make poly after touch increase pitch. just a little. makes the keyboard feel like how when you bend a string on a guitar it bends. what it does for how it feels to play is quite hard to convey just by listening to it

what this synth has done for me, and I know I've said this dozens of times, is given me back a love for playing an instrument. it fuckin rules


I'm sure you can do this with vsts but what the synth lets me do is fiddle with it while I am playing it. not just set up a bunch of macros and yeah sure you can do that, but make a patch from scratch, and play it the whole time. part of my performace is going to be peices that are just that. start with some square waves and play while progressing the patch. you can do it without it skipping a beat. some changes may be abrupt, like changing waveforms, but its musical the whole time.


when I try to record myself though, I focus on the mistakes and sort of can't just enjoy the playing. I hope to record myself when/if I do play live to capture the actual end result. im quite nervous aboiut taking all this gear on the street, I really need to check insurance lol

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
https://soundcloud.com/user-987488156/singled-out?si=131192c14dad416d990783f535dfd6a6

just me playing away. polyphonic aftertouch does a handful of subtle things here, as pressure is applied to each individual note, it engages the lfo more on the cutoff, but also slows down the rate of it. and bends the note up slightly, and drives it a bit harder and basically makes it quite easy to give that note emphasis. makes playing the thing very musical. I know I repeat myself but drat, I simply had no idea it could be like this

e: yeah my song writing skills need a bit of help I know

relative_q
Sep 9, 2008

shame on a kitty who try to run game on a kitty

wu buck wild wit tha trigga


apparently some service uploaded some of my old tracker-scene poo poo to youtube a while back, so i thought i'd share. this is a remix i did years ago of one of my own tracks primarily by taking the original, cutting it up into big chunks, and rearranging it into funky patterns. add some big drums and BOOM. the release date given in the the info on youtube is wildly incorrect, though - this was released on a 5-track ep i did on the chill productions netlabel back in 2004.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQymtEcuPoU

if you want to listen to the whole ep, the playlist for it is here: youtube.com/watch?v=J7fVc_drF6w&list=OLAK5uy_kKXswv6N5KNnXHXqulXI0NfRsI4aeT18o

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oh wow hell fuckin yeah. thanks for sharing!

killhamster
Apr 15, 2004

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Woolwich Bagnet posted:

did it in reaper. it's easier if you render the part you want to cut up first. then you can just drag it so it's how long you want it. attacks work best since they make a good chopped up sound with their variation, or you can use a fast volume envelope. then copy it however many times, take the last one and shorten the end of it more, rinse and repeat. putting a bit of a gap before them amplifies the effect even more. i used a separate track so that it didn't have so much reverb on it

if you dig that sound and dont have any, look for "trance gate" plugins or FX, or something like stutter edit. they can vastly simplify the process for you. e.g. i'll take a step sequencer and use it to trigger a gate in a pattern and just let it run, no having to edit things meticulously

Woolwich Bagnet
Apr 27, 2003



killhamster posted:

if you dig that sound and dont have any, look for "trance gate" plugins or FX, or something like stutter edit. they can vastly simplify the process for you. e.g. i'll take a step sequencer and use it to trigger a gate in a pattern and just let it run, no having to edit things meticulously

yeah i figured something like that existed, I'll take a look, thanks!

I was messing around with snes music from some of my favorite games and worked on the title music to secret of mana

i finished one a couple of days ago, which i called remastered or something like that, idk

anyway i spent another like.. 20 hours on it and now i have this, the 'extended' version

https://soundcloud.com/poltzart/angels-fear-enhanced

added the bridge to the second loop at the start, and added tons of parts throughout it

what was an 8 channel song is now uhhh, almost 40

time to get back to making my own stuff

Woolwich Bagnet
Apr 27, 2003



figured out my issue with dorico and reaper randomly freezing for 10-15 seconds. it was their autosave feature combined with having tons of things loaded in each instance of kontakt. once i broke it out in to individual instances it stopped doing it and is way more smooth now. also got it set up so that note velocity is translated in to dynamic for the spitfire instruments so that it changes with the volume without me having to do anything, and I can keep the expression low and raise it when i want something played smoothly but loud

also a guy on youtube made a video about hiring people off fiverr to remix a piano part of beethoven's 5th.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNRBhq2oV8k

had the piano part stuck in my head for a few days so i decided to take a stab at it as well. pretty sure i spent more time on it than he did at this point.


https://soundcloud.com/poltzart/beethovens-5th-remix

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


how do you guys like, continue to build something out

i have a tiny ~52 second track that I can hear a kernel of good ideas in, i think, but itís wrapped in a hard shell of jank. i want to make it longer and meaningfully add to it, but i donít know what that entails. new movements or musical ideas? spins on existing ideas? add an entirely new track or instrument? pepper fx everywhere?

iím clearly starting to butt up against a wall in terms of composition. putting notes in a tracker is easy enough, the actual tool is familiar, but now thereís the hard part of ďwhat SHOULD you do?Ē, and nobody really knows how to guide people through that.

Woolwich Bagnet
Apr 27, 2003



I tend to just start with something simple and every 4 6 or 8 measures or whatever build on it with harmonies, variations etc. Then once I've done that for a while I go back and start moving things around based on how I want it to build or move around. Or I go through my old ideas and see if something fits. If you have a ton of stuff in that small span already try breaking out each instrument or progression of notes separately. Maybe remove or add some here and there to see how it sounds.

Sometimes though I just hit a brick wall of welp I have no idea where to go next so I put it down and come back to it later. Sometimes I'll put that new thing down and it doesn't flow at all so I put it in my ideas files.

Achmed Jones
Oct 16, 2004



i get stuck and frustrated and churn out another 50sec thing that id like to turn into a track but don't know how

QuantumPotato
Feb 3, 2005

Fallen Rib

Pollyanna posted:

my approach to anything i make is ďitís been done before, and by someone better and smarter than youĒ. because the truth is that thereís a finite amount of combinations and permutations out there, and there are so many people who make music with so much time spent before you that the bottom of the barrel has been worn away to dust.

nothing you make is going to be original or The Next Big Thing, so give up on that. just make whatever, because what you make doesnít really matter to anyone except yourself.

this is more or less the direction Iím heading and itís really only that I have a couple physical modules already and I want to work with one of them in a way that isnít a huge pain in the dick

also people keep looking at dawless as a way to force themselves into creativity but youíre just gonna anxiety scroll on your phone anyway so no amount of physical hardware will save you if your brain is hosed

same. unless i'm doing something for a specific purpose (like someone asks me for a lil ambient loop to go in the background of a video or something) i'll do the Bill Watterson thing, i'll spend a couple hours improvising and record the whole session. when i'm done for the day, i delete the recording. occasionally i'll chop a piece out and send it to some friends for feedback, but taking away the pressure of "making a record" has made me infinitely happier with the act of making music. i have occasionally thought of live streaming the sessions though, but that feels like too much work.

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

QuantumPotato posted:

same. unless i'm doing something for a specific purpose (like someone asks me for a lil ambient loop to go in the background of a video or something) i'll do the Bill Watterson thing, i'll spend a couple hours improvising and record the whole session. when i'm done for the day, i delete the recording. occasionally i'll chop a piece out and send it to some friends for feedback, but taking away the pressure of "making a record" has made me infinitely happier with the act of making music. i have occasionally thought of live streaming the sessions though, but that feels like too much work.

Iím a bit the same. Iíve kind of realised no one really wants to hear my recorded music. Everyone has the entirety of recorded music in their pocket these days, and itís impossible for me to compete against it.

I do intend on performing live, so, I just practice what Iíll be doing there, which is meaningless/formless (drat thatís a better name than I have right now) as in, well, just whatever I can get out of my equipment that I think sounds good.

So, yeah, itís just about playing and enjoying, and in this case it has an overall purpose, but recorded music ainít that.

This kind of thing is only really possible when you move past the DAW, because in the DAW youíre kind of forced to try to make a song rather than a performance. Well, thatís not true, ableton live is called live because itís designed for live performance, but it lends itself easily to not doing that so I am sure itís often not utilised like that.

Also, stand up if you can, move around. Enjoy the music youíre making. ☺️

Achmed Jones
Oct 16, 2004



echinopsis posted:

This kind of thing is only really possible when you move past the DAW, because in the DAW youíre kind of forced to try to make a song rather than a performance.

big nope on that, live owns for jamming

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
yeah that is true. thought I admitted that, just not with that kind of gusto

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echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
Iíve bitten the bullet and last night trialled using my mbp with ableton live in my setup 😭 basically just to run a vst

i Bought that arturia analog thing that is just a million presets but no access to the analog synths themselves

itís great sort of not being able to fiddle

so the wee novation circuit with its pads is the keyboard for the analog vst thing.

doing stuff like the shine on you crazy diamond intro is within my grasp now . iím just so happy and pleased i can make music like that myself ☺️


e: just bought pigments for 69usd nice

the v collection is $200.. its so tempting. ive played with pirated version before, theres a lifetime of fiddling in that package. im not sure if thats a good thing or not.

echinopsis fucked around with this message at 23:23 on Dec 1, 2021

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