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amigolupus posted:It'll never stop being funny that this is being played up as some huge representation when you remember the fact that Dumbledore never scored with or dated another man for the rest of his life. Tbf if the books were written from Harry's POV he probably wouldnt have given a poo poo about who some old man dated.
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Asterite34 posted:If Hogwarts were a college someone would have totally stolen the Sorting Hat and tried to drink beer out of it at least once in the last thousand years By once you mean literally every year The Sorting Hat plastered drunk might actually be funny
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amigolupus posted:All right, now I believe this wasn't written by Rowling. Rose is in the play basically so that at the end they can slam her and Scorpius into a relationship so you don't have the clearly telegraphed and built up Albus/Scorpius actually happen. And yeah, there are like 20 other Weasleys who should be around the play mostly just ignores because they all had 2-4 kids in roughly the same age range and the oldest ones were just getting out of Hogwarts when Albus goes in considering we see his oldest cousin getting on the train with him in the epilogue for her seventh year Zore fucked around with this message at 17:33 on Apr 3, 2022 |
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Violet_Sky posted:Tbf if the books were written from Harry's POV he probably wouldnt have given a poo poo about who some old man dated. According to the author, Dumbledore really never got with anyone else: JKR in interview posted:The issue is love. It’s not about sex. So that’s what I knew about Dumbledore. And it’s relevant only in so much as he fell in love and was made an utter fool of by love. He lost his moral compass completely when he fell in love and I think subsequently became very mistrusting of his own judgement in those matters so became quite asexual. He led a celibate and a bookish life. So it's canon that Dumbledore: 1) Was turned evil by his gayness 2) Swore himself to celibacy so his gayness could never again lead him astray 3) Never scored Like, she genuinely went out of her way to make the absolute shittiest "representation" possible without going full Ace Ventura.
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I like how if we take Rowling's "only 3000 wizards total in Britain" thing to be true then by the time of Cursed Child the Weasley family by itself makes up 1% of the entire wizarding population.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Being an american kid circa 2000 and arguing about how to pronounce Hermione was a real blast. I genuinely had no idea how to pronounce it until the first movie.
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Angepain posted:I was trying to think, maybe if you really stretch the definition of "mainstream", (and depending on what's in the film, "LGBT romance") and that seems to be her defence: What exactly is The Birdcage to this woman?
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Lottery of Babylon posted:According to the author, Dumbledore really never got with anyone else: 4) Family-friendly romance with Wizard Hitler!
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Skwirl posted:I genuinely had no idea how to pronounce it until the first movie. I thought it was "Herm-E-oni".
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:I thought it was "Herm-E-oni". (technically hr·mai·uh·nee) Ghost Leviathan posted:By once you mean literally every year They once questioned what it did in it's spare time. It's sits on the shelf in the Headmaster's office, contemplating it's mistakes.
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Moving this conversation here from the PYF IoSM thread. It turns out people are sick of reading Harry Potter derails?? Who could have thought.Beartaco posted:Yeah, so the supposed big bad of the second movie (set in the 1930s) has his grand speech where he shows what will happen if the wizards don't interfere in human society. He magic projects images of war planes flying over Europe and more importantly: people, women and children being put on trains. All of the protagonists are firmly against the big bad because what he's suggesting breaks wizard law which has been established as being very very important throughout the books and movies. As far as I remember, the movie doesn't even attempt to paint this guy in anything other than a negative light, other than what we know as the audience regarding what those images actually depict. He is treated as purely evil. theironjef posted:I hate those movies and I hate JK Rowling but that character isn't wanting to stop WW2 because of the devastating toll on human life, it's because he considers it an annoying inconvenience to his long-term plan tn enslave all non-magical humans, and he's using fearful imagery to fool sympathetic people into rallying to his non-sympathetic cause. He'd happily do the same as the Nazis, just with a new target of anyone that can't make cocoa stir itself or teleport the poo poo from their pants. I think the key difference is, I'm not emotionally invested in preventing wizard enslavement. What I am emotionally invested in, as an actual IRL human being, is World War 2 and the holocaust. In what world would I be like "Oh but the centaurs and poo poo!!"? If the suggestion really is that taking down Hitler is virtue signalling, then I gotta say, that's a pretty loving powerful virtue to signal. I don't think this is a failure of the franchises writing either necessarily. I don't think there is a single media property on the face of the planet that would make me go "Oh, but the centaurs!" if their alternative was preventing WW2. Beartaco fucked around with this message at 00:07 on Apr 4, 2022 |
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Asterite34 posted:If Hogwarts were a college someone would have totally stolen the Sorting Hat and tried to drink beer out of it at least once in the last thousand years That must be why the Sword of Violet_Sky posted:Tbf if the books were written from Harry's POV he probably wouldnt have given a poo poo about who some old man dated. An idea I have is that Dumbledore tells Harry about how he fell in love with some guy once yet it didn't work out, which would lead to Harry sharing that he notices how pretty the dudes look all the time. It could've been a great moment of Harry realizing he's not alone in the world and give him and give him and Dumbledore another way of bonding with each other. But, you know, that would actually require the series to commit to having LGB Zore posted:Rose is in the play basically so that at the end they can slam her and Scorpius into a relationship so you don't have the clearly telegraphed and built up Albus/Scorpius actually happen. I'm never gonna touch Cursed Child but even I can tell that Al/Scorpius would have been perfect, with the bonus of making the Drarry fans happy. The fact that Scorpius got together with who is basically that one character from teen movies who's a poo poo friend who cares more for popularity is just  .
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eventually, almost all the wizards who attend Hogwarts will be gingers and related to the Weasleys.
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I immediately reject anyone's online dating profile that lists their stupid fake wizard house.
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Wasn't the implication for Grindelbald that he was like totally in on the Supremacy stuff anyway and that's why he sided with Germany in WW2? And that was part of the hosed up nature of him and Dumbedook's frolicking around, because Dumbedook's was like "hell yeah I love Wizard Supremacy" for a while? That's what makes FB2 even weirder cause like why not just....talk about that? You could even make it an analog for how easy it is to fall in with fascism because the guy you like is the one convincing you to do it. That's how a lot of people fall into modern day fascist movements, because loved ones pull them into it and a well meaning person trusts them. It seems like the problem with Grindbile in FB2 is that JK panicked and tried to do a 180 so he wasn't actually full fascist because she realized how horrible it is for Dumbledorn to date a Wizard Nazi, but the problem is that she already established that Gridlbiele totally was a Wizard Nazi back in Deathly Hallows. Maybe this whole conflict could have been avoided by giving Dumbledoorn a nice loving boyfriend in Hogsmeade instead of hooking him up with a Wizard Nazi, idk.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:I immediately reject anyone's online dating profile that lists their stupid fake wizard house. They don't even pick the their Ilvermorny house, the fools! Hurr I'm Slytherin! Uh, no, idiot, you live in America. You don't go to Hogwarts! DUH
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Yeah the baddie doesn't want to stop WW2 because he hates fascists but Joanne created this world with extremely powerful good guy wizards, showed them that Hitler was doing a holocaust, and then had them do nothing to stop it. And some of those good guy wizards are Jews.
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Zore posted:Rose is in the play basically so that at the end they can slam her and Scorpius into a relationship so you don't have the clearly telegraphed and built up Albus/Scorpius actually happen. Yeah tbf there's like, a total of maybe 2 or 3 named children that weren't already in the epilogue who appear on stage and have spoken lines: Craig Bowker who does Scorpius' homework in the Evil Timeline then gets killed in the main timeline, some girl who mocks them but then is into Scorpius in the Evil Timeline, and...there's gotta be at least one more right, there's gotta be! Even Al's brother and sister are basically non-entities. I think James Sirius gets like 3 or 4 lines that might has well have said "ad lib bullying Al" in the script and I don't think even Lily gets to say anything, like I don't think she even gets the same lines she says in the book epilogue, she basically exists to get sorted into Gryffindor just so Al can whine about it. The play is laser focused on the drama between Harry/Al and Draco/Scorpius and the other kids are basically set dressing for that.
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Mx. posted:Yeah the baddie doesn't want to stop WW2 because he hates fascists but Right! The question for the protagonists in that second movie is never "How do we stop Grindlewald and the holocaust". Interference is never something that's presented as being on the table, except through Johnny Depp. Beartaco fucked around with this message at 01:31 on Apr 4, 2022 |
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Cranappleberry posted:(technically hr·mai·uh·nee) I met someone at work the other day who was named Hermyanee, at about the right age to have been born when the movies were coming out, and had to wonder what her parents were thinking. Maybe the one time in recent history that kid could go through life only having to spell their name out 50% of the time someone meets them rather than 100% of the time, and you're going to ruin that for them? Just... why? Anyway that's my Harry Potter story.
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The fact that Dumbledore and his allies put the Statute of Secrecy over being decent human beings and loving stopping the holocaust is just . They could literally teleport to where Hitler's hiding and give him the ol' AK, or teleported people out of the camps. But no, gotta stand back because wizards have no way of covering their tracks and erasing people's memories...oh wait.
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I'm looking forward to the takes on the new game when it comes out, if what has been reported on it so far is true.
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This is true to the quality of most school debate clubs, tbf.
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Something I was thinking about last night is how "Dumbledore is gay" was a paper-thin coat of paint over HP being seven books of Section 28-levels of not mentioning anything gay whatsoever, and how outrageous it is that even this is chipped away to nothing. Beginning to suspect that Rowling may never have been a huge fan of LGBT people in the first place.
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Section 28 (basically the UK's school "don't say gay" law for those outside terf island) was still around until after book 3 in Scotland and after book 5 in the rest of the UK. Imagine her actually using her power and influence to put even the slightest mention of gay people in her books before then. I mean it's not like she had much of an editor by that point
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Angepain posted:Section 28 (basically the UK's school "don't say gay" law for those outside terf island) was still around until after book 3 in Scotland and after book 5 in the rest of the UK. Imagine her actually using her power and influence to put even the slightest mention of gay people in her books before then. I mean it's not like she had much of an editor by that point I'm American, so I didn't even know about section 28 until after it was gone, but I thought it was gone well before Harry Potter was a thing. I watched the movie loving Amal before I read a single Harry Potter book.
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Okay so I'm rewatching the Crimes of Grindlewald in "anticipation" for the new film. Muggle/Wizard relationships is a blatant allegory for... something. Miscegenation, LGBT relationships, whatever. The point is the opposition to such relationships is treated in the books as a bigoted stance. Much like how Grindlewald claims he wants to stop the holocaust, he also claims in the film that he wants to decriminalize such relationships in his speech to Queenie. Running with the idea that he's only virtue signalling to get what he really wants, what does that say about the films stance towards the real world relationships it's allegorising? Are all LGBT advocates simply virtue signalling in the name of a darker cause? Is it saying interracial marriage will topple society? Beartaco fucked around with this message at 10:26 on Apr 4, 2022 |
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I mean, please do not exchange money to go see the new film.Skwirl posted:I'm American, so I didn't even know about section 28 until after it was gone, but I thought it was gone well before Harry Potter was a thing. I watched the movie loving Amal before I read a single Harry Potter book. Section 28 was withdrawn in 2000 in Scotland and 2003 in England. Theresa May voted against withdrawing it, to pick one notable name.
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Basically Grindelwald's plan is for wizards to come out and rule the over the muggles. He feels that certain wizards have been oppressed (like obscurials) and that in his world that will never happen. He argues that the Statute of Secrecy is about protecting muggles rather than protecting wizards from stuff like witch burnings and oppression. That quote from upthread about Grindelwald manipulating people is probably a good way to look at it. Muggles would become a permanent underclass regardless of whether Grindelwald himself was benevolent toward them and tried to authoritatively reign in bothering muggles. He may be genuinely interested in helping muggles (curing diseases and allowing for other mutually beneficial relations) but how he would accomplish controlling muggles would basically be enslavement and he wouldn't be able to stop most harm that would come to them under the new regime. Stopping WW2 by enslaving most of the people of the world is a bad solution. Wizards not stopping WW2 is supposed to be an ethical conundrum because of the horrible things that happened/will happen, but at the same time they have the Statute of Secrecy, which says wizards cannot harm any muggles (controlling them is harm). Arguably, unless it's just day-to-day life they are not allowed to interact with muggles at all for the most part. It's sort of like the Prime Directive except much more stupid. Also wizards are, by and large, incredibly lazy and incompetent. Before the statute was enacted there were supposed class distinctions made by wizards. As in, wealthy wizards associated with wealthy noble muggles and poor muggles were considered even lesser.
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Cranappleberry posted:tldr: it's bad Harry Potter: tldr: it's bad
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I could've sworn someone mentioned there's only one Muggle/Wizard relationship in the FB movies and it's the Muggle Baker getting roofied by one of the wizard nazi ladies, so it already fails at being an allegory in so many ways.
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So, here's my take on Crimes of Grindelwald having just watched it. It presents the splitting of the characters along an ideological line. Queenie supports Grindelwald while Jacob, Tina and Newt do not. Credence does while Nagini doesn't etc. Grindelwald wants to stop World War 2 and allow for freedom of marriage for the characters in the film, ostensibly very agreeable positions but the act of doing so is presented as an allegory of fascism. Enacting Grindelwald's will requires the end of the liberal institutions in the Harry Potter universe, and the majority of people that support him are purebloods, an obvious allegory for white nationalists. The filmmakers clearly wanted people like me to go on social media like I'm doing and scream to the world that Grindelwald was in fact right, and that we should support him, but the ideology presented and the allegory they're attempting to make is so disconnected from any sort of reality that it's just a confusing disaster. I'm not left asking "Is Grindelwald right?", I'm left asking "Do the film makers support the holocaust?".
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Beartaco posted:I'm not left asking "Is Grindelwald right?", I'm left asking "Do the film makers support the holocaust?". And the answer is: probably.
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amigolupus posted:I could've sworn someone mentioned there's only one Muggle/Wizard relationship in the FB movies and it's the Muggle Baker getting roofied by one of the wizard nazi ladies, so it already fails at being an allegory in so many ways. as a radical wizard centrist i for one feel that people shouldn't be allowed to go around baking muggles unless maybe if they're overweight and/or ugly
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Oh yeah, the American ministry is an openly fascistic institution in both films that we're meant to implicitly support even as it tries to have the main characters executed without trial.
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