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Zesty posted:I got stuck because I got to the gringotts chapter of book 7 and just couldn't follow along with the podcast anymore. I'm that far behind. tbf, you're well past the height of the series at that point as well as the best part of the book except some of the reveals if you didn't already know them. Most of the book is a slog. Once you get past Shell Cottage, it picks up and starts going faster but there are still some parts where it's like WAIT SLOW DOWN FOR A MINUTE BUDDY.
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Shell Cottage is really weird because like, the world is ending and the fight against Voldemort is on and Bill and Fleur are just kinda chilling at their retirement home on the coast. There's also weird stuff like how the wedding at the Burrow gets broken up by Death Eaters trying to find Harry but then later when the group is trying to infiltrate the ministry Arthur is just there and working his normal day job. What? How has Arthur not either been arrested or driven underground, given his and his family's connection to Harry and his known muggle sympathies? Yeah he's pureblood but the Death Eaters fuckin' hate blood traitors just as much as they hate muggleborns. It lends credence to my theory that JK plotted out DH less as a cohesive narrative and more as a series of setpieces she came up with and wanted to hit: Harry gets into a broom shoot-out with Voldemort, Harry escapes an attack on a wedding, Harry digs a grave for Dobby along the coastline, etc but then didn't actually bother thinking through the justifications for or consequences of what happens in those setpieces, outside of character deaths. So everything between the big setpieces is either boring as poo poo or doesn't make much sense.
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Apr 11, 2022 16:35
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Sydin posted:Shell Cottage is really weird because like, the world is ending and the fight against Voldemort is on and Bill and Fleur are just kinda chilling at their retirement home on the coast. There's also weird stuff like how the wedding at the Burrow gets broken up by Death Eaters trying to find Harry but then later when the group is trying to infiltrate the ministry Arthur is just there and working his normal day job. What? How has Arthur not either been arrested or driven underground, given his and his family's connection to Harry and his known muggle sympathies? Yeah he's pureblood but the Death Eaters fuckin' hate blood traitors just as much as they hate muggleborns. Yeah there's a bunch of stuff that's abstracted/glossed over to the point of absurdity. Like in 5 and 6 a point is made that Voldemort is fine working in the shadows just letting people be paranoid and having his Deatheaters working in the Ministry run things while he is effectively the shadow Minister of Magic, and during this time it at least makes some sense for Arthur to be going into the office to try and keep an eye on what's going on. Past a certain point there gets to be this huge disconnect between "Voldemort has openly seized the Ministry and Hogwarts and has his lieutenants torturing children" while other people seemingly going on with their daily lives. I think the idea with Bill and Fleur at least is that their cottage is under magical protection so they are laying low and potentially doing Order poo poo on the DL, but it's not really clear what they are even doing. Is Bill still doing his Gringott's job, and does this even really help since the Goblins aren't taking part in Wizard War 2? Honestly it makes Ginny's argument with Molly before the battle of Hogwarts even more poignant, because yeah the adults aren't doing jack poo poo to stop Voldemort. They are acting like classic Liberals who are desperately holding onto the status quo of normal day to day life while poo poo collapses and people literally die all around them. It's honestly kind of maddening how little anyone else is doing outside of like vaguely being on the run and giving radio tips about protecting muggles or whatever. Occasionally we hear about someone clowning on Dawlish but it might be worthwhile for someone to bother to kill a loving death eater or three over the course of the entirety of Book 7.
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Apr 11, 2022 16:48
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The emotional growth she wanted to hit (which goes with the soft magic system argument) that Harry becomes harder and colder which allows him to master occlumency. Then it's a place to interview Ollivander about wand lore and where Harry makes the mature decision to go after the Horcruxes over the temptation of the Hallows. Then a place to secretly and relatively safely plan with Griphook.Guy A. Person posted:I think the idea with Bill and Fleur at least is that their cottage is under magical protection so they are laying low and potentially doing Order poo poo on the DL, but it's not really clear what they are even doing. Is Bill still doing his Gringott's job, and does this even really help since the Goblins aren't taking part in Wizard War 2? Honestly it makes Ginny's argument with Molly before the battle of Hogwarts even more poignant, because yeah the adults aren't doing jack poo poo to stop Voldemort. They are acting like classic Liberals who are desperately holding onto the status quo of normal day to day life while poo poo collapses and people literally die all around them. It's honestly kind of maddening how little anyone else is doing outside of like vaguely being on the run and giving radio tips about protecting muggles or whatever. Occasionally we hear about someone clowning on Dawlish but it might be worthwhile for someone to bother to kill a loving death eater or three over the course of the entirety of Book 7. They've lost the war and all of them have family to lose which is being held hostage both at Hogwarts and wherever the ministry can get to (which is basically everywhere that isn't protected Fidellus Charm with secret keeper protected by the same charm). Their hope is entirely on Harry. Some of the younger people are still in the underground where they deliver news and maybe plan pranks from the shadows but most of the "fighting" is happening at Hogwarts against the regime there. Why the kids didn't attempt to permanently dispose of (not necessarily kill) the Carrows, Filch and Slytherins backing them after a certain point (like Christmas) is interesting to consider. Obviously there's Snape but he was checked out. Use some polyjuice potion or maybe imperius if anyone comes to check. Zesty posted:Yeah, I’ve read Harry Potter, buddy. I thought you meant you, as in you personally, got stuck on the gringotts chapter. but you clearly you meant that podcast about you all talk about.
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Apr 11, 2022 17:03
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Ah, that last bit is where you are wrong: it is very clear in the lore that instant painless death laser is the most evil thing you can possibly cast, Friend Person. Shooting Dawlish would be just as bad as being Dawlish. The guys trying to murder schoolkids for sport must needs be challenged in the marketplace of ideas!
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Apr 11, 2022 17:11
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Isn't there a scene early in Deathly Hallows after the broom duel chase scene where Harry is like "You were shooting stunners at them while they were in mid-air! That's practically killing them since they'll die in the fall" and Lupin is like "It's a war you idiot, and you almost got us all killed by not going past expelliarmus" And then of course Harry never kills anyone and the book ends with him defeating Voldemort by casting expelliarmus so I guess Harry was right and Lupin was wrong and instead of killing Nazis you should just endure them until they accidentally break a secret magic rule and kill themselves by mistake.
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Apr 11, 2022 17:15
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Let us never forget when McGonagall declared Harry "gallant" for torturing someone with Crucio right in front of her
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Apr 11, 2022 17:15
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Cranappleberry posted:They've lost the war and all of them have family to lose which is being held hostage both at Hogwarts The ministry fell in the middle of the summer, before term started; why did they send their kids back to Death Eater-controlled Hogwarts in the first place?
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Apr 11, 2022 17:18
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Lottery of Babylon posted:The ministry fell in the middle of the summer, before term started; why did they send their kids back to Death Eater-controlled Hogwarts in the first place? Wizards are loving stupid
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Apr 11, 2022 17:20
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Lottery of Babylon posted:Isn't there a scene early in Deathly Hallows after the broom duel chase scene where Harry is like "You were shooting stunners at them while they were in mid-air! That's practically killing them since they'll die in the fall" and Lupin is like "It's a war you idiot, and you almost got us all killed by not going past expelliarmus" It's more that come DH everybody has decided that expelliarmus is Harry's "signature" spell, so him casting it during the fight while everybody else is throwing around more deadly magic immediately tips Voldemort and the Death Eaters off that he's the real Harry.
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I think it is said that Hogwarts is mandatory and presumably there’s worse punishment for not sending them, but I don’t think that’s something followed up on a lot
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Cranappleberry posted:They've lost the war and all of them have family to lose which is being held hostage both at Hogwarts and wherever the ministry can get to (which is basically everywhere that isn't protected Fidellus Charm with secret keeper protected by the same charm). Yeah true. As far as "killing Death Eaters" I was thinking more of guys like Lupin and Kingsley when they are on the run, of course the average family who has kids to think about might be inclined to go along with things to keep them safe. The Weasleys are also a special case because they had to have seen the writing on the wall way before they started acting any differently, but it's not until Easter break that they pull Ginny. But they have one kid actively working with Harry, Harry is essentially their foster son, and the rest of their kids minus Ginny are already in the Order so I would think having Molly escape abroad with Ginny while Arthur and the adult sons did some actual Resistance poo poo might be warranted, but they seemingly do a lot of sitting and waiting around. Wizard War 2 is ridiculously one sided with the exception of Harry's covert mission and some demonstrations at the Wizard high school. Real good thing the wand lore loophole worked out for them.
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Guy A. Person posted:Yeah true. As far as "killing Death Eaters" I was thinking more of guys like Lupin and Kingsley when they are on the run, of course the average family who has kids to think about might be inclined to go along with things to keep them safe. The Weasleys are also a special case because they had to have seen the writing on the wall way before they started acting any differently, but it's not until Easter break that they pull Ginny. But they have one kid actively working with Harry, Harry is essentially their foster son, and the rest of their kids minus Ginny are already in the Order so I would think having Molly escape abroad with Ginny while Arthur and the adult sons did some actual Resistance poo poo might be warranted, but they seemingly do a lot of sitting and waiting around. Wizard War 2 is ridiculously one sided with the exception of Harry's covert mission and some demonstrations at the Wizard high school. Real good thing the wand lore loophole worked out for them. molly weasley going to france, eating that foreign muck? never. rule britannia
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bobjr posted:I think it is said that Hogwarts is mandatory and presumably there’s worse punishment for not sending them, but I don’t think that’s something followed up on a lot plus there is every brave Gryffindor kid going "I WONT HIDE WHILE MY FAMILY IS BEING HURT!" or "I'll fight to the end!" and they'll struggle needlessly after appearing to give themselves up. Dumbledore had to full body bind Harry to keep him from doing anything stupid on the Astronomy Tower, like attack Malfoy, which would have led to Harry being captured by the 4-5 death eaters who ran up after Malfoy. The kids fighting at Hogwarts makes sense because there are tons of places to hide/run to within the castle. Also, a much smaller amount of enemies that are presumably pretty stupid. The whole school is under the control of Snape so the ministry and other death eaters aren't about to interfere. They could have had the run of the place before Harry even got there. The real sticking points are Snape being forced to act and maybe the Slytherins (most of whom can be outsmarted by cake or another simple trick).
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I fell off the thread for 1000 posts but had to get check in on what bullshit the Fantastic Beasts got up to this timeRotten Red Rod posted:Credence is Dumbledore's nephew, not his brother as the last movie revealed. I have no idea why this loving matters at all. Amazing. The big reveal at the end of the second film immediately undone and any importance that twist was supposed to carry is discarded. Clearly the Notorious TERF has this series mapped out to the last detail and isn't just making poo poo up in a panic as she goes. Shwoo posted:The end of the summary mentions that Credence is dying, so does he actually die in the end? The summary isn't clear. I found a clarification that he doesn't die on-screen, but Albus states that there is no way to save him. After Ezra Miller's little Hawaiian escapade a week or two ago I think it's safe to say he's 100% Poochie'd if they really go through with a fourth film. Lottery of Babylon posted:The ministry fell in the middle of the summer, before term started; why did they send their kids back to Death Eater-controlled Hogwarts in the first place? And lose the goddamn deposit? Do you know how much it costs to get your kid in a good wizard school?
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Is this the leak, or is there another one that actually has the entire script? https://zerobin.net/?82d7987c3883b745#Ch76Pa7+DspJvwC2gwlJmmdwmg09RDDPwdBLcQLscUI=
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I believe that's the one. It was never a full script, just a very detailed plot synopsis.
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Sydin posted:It lends credence to my theory that JK plotted out DH less as a cohesive narrative and more as a series of setpieces she came up with and wanted to hit: Harry gets into a broom shoot-out with Voldemort, Harry escapes an attack on a wedding, Harry digs a grave for Dobby along the coastline, etc but then didn't actually bother thinking through the justifications for or consequences of what happens in those setpieces, outside of character deaths. So everything between the big setpieces is either boring as poo poo or doesn't make much sense. Well, it's for sure how FBB2 seems to have been shat out as well, so makes sense.
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I don't get why Rowling is writing the movies. I'd just let other people do it and cash the checks. Of course I also wouldn't be on twitter at all, let alone making TERF statements constantly even if I did believe that bullshit, so clearly her brain functions completely differently than mine.
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Skwirl posted:I don't get why Rowling is writing the movies. Massive ego.
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YaketySass posted:jesus christ how long is this Shrieking Cast thing? Skwirl posted:I don't get why Rowling is writing the movies. I'd just let other people do it and cash the checks. Of course I also wouldn't be on twitter at all, let alone making TERF statements constantly even if I did believe that bullshit, so clearly her brain functions completely differently than mine.
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Writing even, bad writing is extremely fun. If I could write a movie and know no matter what I put in it, it'd be a massive success, you wouldn't be able to keep me from writing the dumbest ideas in my head. If I had harry potter money, I'd imagine it kills the part in your head that tells you you're bad at writing and need an editor.
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I was gonna mention another weird thing about the magic system that is both a hole in the writing and interesting in what it says about Harry- Crabbe casts fiendfyre. He does it without saying the incantantion so that means it's super easy to cast nonverbally (like levicorpus) or even Crabbe has managed to master a difficult nonverbal spell. Also, Harry best in the year in defense against the dark arts has never seen or heard of fiendfyre. Hermione doesn't mention it until it destroys the room of requirement despite them looking for ways to destroy horcruxes because it's so dangerous and hard to control. Like, at least have her mention it once for foreshadowing. Or have them pull Harry or Ron away from the edge of casting it on the locket or in the loving Lestrange vault. Boba Pearl posted:Writing even, bad writing is extremely fun. If I could write a movie and know no matter what I put in it, it'd be a massive success, you wouldn't be able to keep me from writing the dumbest ideas in my head. If I had harry potter money, I'd imagine it kills the part in your head that tells you you're bad at writing and need an editor. no question
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Harry being the best against Defense against the Dark Arts sometimes feels like he knows one spell that's first introduced as hard to do before everyone can do it, and is good at ducking and weaving so spells miss him.
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Harry's one spell is doubly lmfao because he learns it from the nazi triple agent who hates him, and the guy whose entire character is being a hack fraud who cannot defend against any dark arts. Well he's good at the patronus so I guess he has two spells, but we know what one he goes for.
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JKR is a textbook example of how being super-rich and famous rots your brain. You can cut everyone who can tell you "no" out of your life and surround yourself with yes-men. Editor wants you to change up your manuscript? Fire 'em, it's not like you need them anymore! Wanna be a screenwriter? You don't need to know how films work, just do it! People are mad at you for your opinions? It's okay, there's still a ton of people out there ready to shower you with validation! Other than death and taxes, you never have to worry about facing real consequences ever again!
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Harry's one spell is doubly lmfao because he learns it from the nazi triple agent who hates him, and the guy whose entire character is being a hack fraud who cannot defend against any dark arts. I was thinking it was mostly the patronus in the first place, because it was introduced as this thing even well trained wizards can't do well, let along form an animal. Cut to a few books later and nearly every main good guy has one.
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lol rich people dont need to worry about taxes
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If Rowling had an editor maybe we would have some internal consistency in the canon on whether rape drugs are the ultimate evil or just a harmless prank. But then again this is a woman who had her self-insert character trick a teacher into being gang-raped so, you know, I doubt it. e: now that I remember it, remember the reference in book 2 to a joke where the punchline is that a sex worker gets anally raped? TinTower fucked around with this message at 03:05 on Apr 12, 2022 |
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No, no I don't remember that. What the gently caress is that real?? say psych right now.
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Boba Pearl posted:No, no I don't remember that. What the gently caress is that real?? it is one speculated candidate for uncle vernon's "japanese golfer joke" all of them are terribly racist obv so i won't go into it further
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Was it like, a british saying or something? Like when they say slope and it's horrifically offensive? e: I JUST GOOGLE'D IT and my jaw dropped, wtf. A California business man, while in Japan for some business meetings and a few rounds of golf, arrived in Tokyo a day earlier than expected. Feeling lonely that evening, he employed the services of a beautiful young Japanese girl to be his companion for the evening. Although the Japanese girl spoke very little English and the businessman spoke no Japanese, their passion roared and in the heat of the moment she began yelling "Gama Su!, Gama Su!". Hearing this, the Californian knew he had pleased his female Japanese friend and soon afterwards went to sleep. The next day while playing golf with his Japanese business colleagues, one of his Japanese partners holed his shot from 170 yards away! Everyone went crazy and began yelling excitedly in Japanese. Wanting to impress his friends, the Californian joined in and began yelling, "Gama Su! Gama Su!" Suddenly everyone became quiet. After a moment of silence, one of the Japanese turned to him and asked "Wrong hole? What do you mean wrong hole?" Boba Pearl fucked around with this message at 03:13 on Apr 12, 2022 |
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As far as I know thats just something someone made up afterwards and there's no real reason to think thats the actual intended joke
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bobjr posted:I was thinking it was mostly the patronus in the first place, because it was introduced as this thing even well trained wizards can't do well, let along form an animal. Cut to a few books later and nearly every main good guy has one. Also Patronus goes from just a really hard to cast anti-Dementor spell that autotargets the nearest one once cast to like a remote control spirit animal that you can direct at will to do anything and even magically implant voice messages into somehow, also now everybody can do it. Jazerus posted:it is one speculated candidate for uncle vernon's "japanese golfer joke" Without the context of who Rowling is the conservative caricature being extremely proud about the racist joke they plan to tell to liven up the dinner party is fine. Knowing who Rowling is though... lol.
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TinTower posted:e: now that I remember it, remember the reference in book 2 to a joke where the punchline is that a sex worker gets anally raped? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4dJ8I5Gn84
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The “wrong hole” Japanese golfer joke was well-known in the 1980s and 1990s, and it’s very likely that Rowling had heard it back then. And given Rowling’s well-documented obsession with rape (I mean, for gently caress’s sake, there are at least three instances of implied rape in FB2, wtf Joanne?), you kind of reach a point where you stop giving her the benefit of the doubt.
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TinTower posted:The “wrong hole” Japanese golfer joke was well-known in the 1980s and 1990s, and it’s very likely that Rowling had heard it back then. Ah, didn't realize it was that old, fair enough then, Rowling is poo poo yet again
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