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Goddamn now I want to read fanfic about Neville becoming a Herbology teacher and using his Herbology skills during the Year of Darkness. Wholesome boy originally wants to make his Grandma proud but then decides he is better than his lovely family and helps run an apothecary during and after the war.
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W.T. Fits posted:Technically, they can't arrest him for murder because the victim wasn't physically dead, just missing his soul! Spell that painlessly kills someone by (apparently) ripping out their soul? Permanent trip to hell-prison. Siccing a creature that does the exact same thing on some one? He got what he deserved.
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Jun 16, 2022 00:20
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Violet_Sky posted:Goddamn now I want to read fanfic about Neville becoming a Herbology teacher and using his Herbology skills during the Year of Darkness. Wholesome boy originally wants to make his Grandma proud but then decides he is better than his lovely family and helps run an apothecary during and after the war. The monkey’s paw curls, because you get that, but it’s written by the tentmoot guy. (I forget what actually happened in DAYD)
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Jun 16, 2022 06:13
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TinTower posted:(I forget what actually happened in DAYD) Mostly a lot of people got traumatized for life and a couple of people died. And that was just among the fans.
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Jun 16, 2022 06:17
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The dementor version actually flat out destroys your soul doesn't it? That's worse than AK because harry potter world canonically has an afterlife. Nick tells us as much and I'm pretty sure the fever dream train station Dumbledore was the actual immortal soul of the man himself, not Harry's hallucination. This conversation reminds me out of the blue of a fanfic I read as a teen where Neville helps Nick resolve his poo poo and pass on. It prolly sucked, but that's cute and the first fanfic I remember that had no drama and no horny.
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Jun 16, 2022 08:37
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If there is an afterlife, what is it like? If it’s like the Christian vision of things, then having your soul destroyed is probably preferable to spending an eternity in torment for the sins you committed to earn the Dementor’s Kiss (assuming, of course, that you actually did the crimes that earned you the sentence (lol)). Edit: this is, as usual, a kind of morbidly fascinating train of thought to keep following. So the worst wizards never go to Hell at all, meaning only the moderately bad ones are punished forever. They should have been more evil, to avoid such a horrible fate. 
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Jun 16, 2022 09:15
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Grundulum posted:If there is an afterlife, what is it like? If it’s like the Christian vision of things, then having your soul destroyed is probably preferable to spending an eternity in torment for the sins you committed to earn the Dementor’s Kiss (assuming, of course, that you actually did the crimes that earned you the sentence (lol)). Depends on which flavor of Christianity you subscribe to. There are some denominations where it's believed that even souls condemned to Hell can eventually be saved from their fate and pass on to Heaven.
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Jun 16, 2022 11:57
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W.T. Fits posted:Depends on which flavor of Christianity you subscribe to. There are some denominations where it's believed that even souls condemned to Hell can eventually be saved from their fate and pass on to Heaven. There's also Universalists.
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Jun 16, 2022 13:43
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Remembering now that Fudge has fake Moody given the Dementor's Kiss to cover up Voldy boy coming back
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Jun 16, 2022 16:14
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https://twitter.com/centuriic/status/1537414418694545408?s=21&t=ZZEJQPG6JDMirPSJCuuZnQ
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Jun 16, 2022 19:17
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I like that the racist slytherin is George Lucas but in the Lucius Malfoy wig
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Jun 17, 2022 00:10
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It's kinda weird how everyone is so shocked when Malfoy uses the mudblood slur but have no quibbles about using slurs like muggle and squib.
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Jun 17, 2022 06:10
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Alhazred posted:It's kinda weird how everyone is so shocked when Malfoy uses the mudblood slur but have no quibbles about using slurs like muggle and squib. Those don't seem to be considered slurs in-universe. They do sound like slurs, but so do hogwarts and mugwump.
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Jun 17, 2022 06:30
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Lottery of Babylon posted:Those don't seem to be considered slurs in-universe. They do sound like slurs, but so do hogwarts and mugwump.
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Jun 17, 2022 06:47
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Alhazred posted:Squib and muggles are words that describe a negative quality about people. Wizards don't want to be muggles or squibs. So they should be considered slurs but aren't. This definition of slur seems too permissive. I don't want to be deaf, because hearing is convenient, but that doesn't mean the word deaf is a slur. Cis folks are glad to not be trans, but that doesn't mean the word trans is a slur. "Squib" also seems to be the term used by squibs themselves; the two squibs we meet, Filch and Mrs Figg, both describe themselves that way. (Also it's hosed up that JKR made the two squibs we meet such terrible people.)
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Jun 17, 2022 07:48
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I thought Mrs Figg was a well-intentioned, if slightly out-of-it, old lady. She gave Harry the occasional treat when he visited pre-Hogwarts, she kept an eye on him for Dumbledore, and she went to the Ministry in OotP to speak on Harry’s behalf. Am I forgetting something from the books?
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Jun 17, 2022 08:04
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Mrs Figg was well-intentioned but also she explicitly made sure Harry never had a good time at her house so that his uncle/aunt would keep getting her to look after him, which is exteremely hosed up
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Jun 17, 2022 08:20
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Tenebrais posted:Mrs Figg was well-intentioned but also she explicitly made sure Harry never had a good time at her house so that his uncle/aunt would keep getting her to look after him, which is exteremely hosed up This is what I was thinking of, it feels super gross. She also let him continue believing magic wasn't real and his parents died in a car crash. She "kept an eye on him" for Dumbledore, but I'm not sure what good that's supposed to do. She didn't do anything when the Dursleys locked him in or hit him or starved him, and if Death Eaters killed or abducted Harry, she wouldn't notice he was gone for weeks.
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Jun 17, 2022 08:35
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Feels like "squib" is analoguous to the r-word's treatment until recently, in that it clearly has derogatory implications but isn't recognized as bigotry as such.
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Jun 17, 2022 10:09
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YaketySass posted:Feels like "squib" is analoguous to the r-word's treatment until recently, in that it clearly has derogatory implications but isn't recognized as bigotry as such. I don't think that was ever true in the books. It was always just a term for a concept in the world. The main 'squib' character, Filch didn't necessarily embody what that slur you're referencing might otherwise represent in media either.
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Jun 17, 2022 13:37
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Mrs. Figg was nice to Harry once, then got a threatening letter by Dumbledore since that would go against his plans
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Jun 17, 2022 13:48
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Child abuse is required for Dumbledore's plan to take down Voldemort.
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Jun 17, 2022 13:59
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The ones who walk away from Hogsmelas
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Jun 17, 2022 14:39
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halokiller posted:Child abuse is required for Dumbledore's plan to take down Voldemort. He meant Harry to be an Obscurial all along, then had to switch plans when that didn't happen.
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Jun 17, 2022 14:39
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We're seeing Filch through Harry's eyes. He's just loving with the obnoxious kids. Neville is confused at why his bullies are also bullying Filch's cat, even though Mr. Filch is a chill guy and Mrs. Norris cuddles him when he's down. You'll not steal this headcanon from me. Filch is also bullied and abused by Albus Dumbledore, known child abuser and slave owner. That's in the text, I can't headcanon it. Beartaco posted:I don't think that was ever true in the books. It was always just a term for a concept in the world. The main 'squib' character, Filch didn't necessarily embody what that slur you're referencing might otherwise represent in media either. Ngl it comes off like "jew" to me. I am a jew, it's not an inherent slur or an "I can use it, other people can't" thing. But there is absolutely a use for "jew" that is an obvious slur. No jews in the buildings on 9/11, that's a slur even if you said jew instead of kike. Edgar Allen Ho fucked around with this message at 14:52 on Jun 17, 2022 |
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halokiller posted:Child abuse is required for Dumbledore's plan to take down Voldemort. The scene in book six where Dumbledore comes to collect Harry and then chews the Dursleys out for being abusive to him is incredibly hosed because like, if Dumbledore had bothered even once to check up on Harry in any number of magically unobtrusive ways in the decade he spent living with the Dursleys, he would have immediately realized the state of living Harry was dealing with and could have mitigated it with one terse letter to Petunia. e. What even was the justification again for Harry needing to go back to the Dursleys after Voldemort nullified the blood magic with his ritual in Goblet? Was the cruelty just the point? Sydin fucked around with this message at 18:25 on Jun 17, 2022 |
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Jun 17, 2022 18:15
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the protection on the dursley house is a separate ward constructed by dumbledore that piggybacks on whatever lily did to protect harry so i guess it just wasn't affected by voldemort becoming part-harry
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Sydin posted:The scene in book six where Dumbledore comes to collect Harry and then chews the Dursleys out for being abusive to him is incredibly hosed because like, if Dumbledore had bothered even once to check up on Harry in any number of magically unobtrusive ways in the decade he spent living with the Dursleys, he would have immediately realized the state of living Harry was dealing with and could have mitigated it with one terse letter to Petunia. Voldemort's ritual in Goblet that gives him a new body allows him to get around Lily's protective sacrifice magic. It doesn't bypass the spell Dumbledore casts that protects the Dursley house from Voldemort and his followers. That spell would only break when Harry turned 17, making him a legal adult in the wizarding world, or if he formally renounced the place as his home before then. That's why after becoming a student at Hogwarts, Harry still had to go back each summer for at least a few weeks.
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Jun 17, 2022 18:35
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I never realized before that the protection he needs to renew at the Dursley house each year was separate from the whole melt-Quirrell's-face protection, and only protects him while he's actually at the Dursley house, but the wiki confirms that that's correct. So... he goes there for a few weeks each year... to renew the protection... that only protects him for a few weeks each year while he's there? What's the point of that? Why not just not go there at all, and keep him safe the same way the keep him safe in July the other eleven months of the year? At least Grimmauld Place doesn't have dementors trying to suck out his soul or Uncle Vernon trying to strangle him. It gets even dumber in the last book when they go "Hey, we're going to keep you in this house until the exact moment the protection falls, at which point we will be surrounded by Death Eaters trying to kill you since they know exactly where and when you'll be vulnerable, because clearly this is safer than just going straight to Grimmauld Place when the year ends." It seems like JKR just decided the book format required each book to start at the Dursley house, and made a half-baked attempt to justify it.
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Yeah I guess I never realized those were separate things. It is extremely dumb that Harry can't just chill at Hogwarts for the summer under Dumbledore's protection but whatever I guess. Is it ever explained if that protection extends to the Dursleys themselves, or is Dumbledore just putting this rube muggle family in the crosshairs because it protects Harry?
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the protection is on the property. harry lives there after he starts at hogwarts not to protect himself, but to protect his abusers from having their house burned down while he's at school
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Jun 17, 2022 19:07
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Is there a reason they can't cast the secret keeper spell on the Dursley home? Or on Gryffindor Boys Class of '97 dorm? Before Dumbledore croaked, it seemed like it didn't matter if you knew 100% where the place was. The Voldy crowd knew Grimmauld Place. His fwb and his top guy were cousins to Sirius. Not to mention RAB. They just could not get in or even perceive it regardless until someone talked. There's even Death Eaters set on guard at the house, who can't do poo poo unless the gang just saunters out the door. Make Harry's dorm a secret kept place. Have like, Mad-Eye Moody or Hagrid or Molly drat Weasley the secret keeper. They won't squeal.
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“Tom Marvolo Riddle, also known as Lord Voldemort, can use magic”. Make that a Fidelius secret. Boom, book series over.
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YaketySass posted:Feels like "squib" is analoguous to the r-word's treatment until recently, in that it clearly has derogatory implications but isn't recognized as bigotry as such. Yeah, while 'Squib' isn't a slur, Squibs themselves are treated as basically second-class citizens. They have no magic so wands don't work for them, which means they can't activate the wall needed to enter Diagon Alley. They're literally blocked from being part of the wizarding world. IIRC, you also need magic for potions ingredients to work, so they can't even brew potions to make their lives easier. So Squibs either have to live outside the wizarding world as Muggles, or they probably get killed as babies if they're born in a blood purist family. Filch is an outlier who only got work at Hogwarts because Dumbledore pitied him, and even then it's hosed up for a couple reasons. A] Being in an environment where all these lovely kids can learn magic and take it for granted must really mess your mental state, and B] Filch is basically given pretend work, since the House Elves are the ones who do the actual cleaning of Hogwarts. If Dumbledore really respected Filch, he would've exorcised Binns' ghost and trained Filch to become the next History of Magic teacher, since you don't need magic to teach that. Also, Ron mentions that the Weasleys have a distant Squib cousin who works as an accountant that "never talks to them" in the first book, which hasn't aged well the further we got into the series and explored how lovely pureblood families were.
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i would assume that arthur weasley's dad was a real pureblood shitter and arthur's completely inept fascination with muggle stuff perhaps comes from "gently caress you dad" the accountant cousin just doesn't talk to arthur even now that weasley dad is dead because arthur badgers him about ekeltrikity and rubber ducks every time they try to have a family dinner
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Sydin posted:The scene in book six where Dumbledore comes to collect Harry and then chews the Dursleys out for being abusive to him is incredibly hosed because like, if Dumbledore had bothered even once to check up on Harry in any number of magically unobtrusive ways in the decade he spent living with the Dursleys, he would have immediately realized the state of living Harry was dealing with and could have mitigated it with one terse letter to Petunia. Not only had McGonagall warned Dumbledore about the Dursleys right before he left Harry on the Dursleys' front porch (in freezing November weather, I might add), Hogwarts also magically creates letters that are addressed to where the students are staying, so someone should've seen that Harry's letter said, "Cupboard Under the Stairs." Dumbledore knew.
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Jazerus posted:i would assume that arthur weasley's dad was a real pureblood shitter and arthur's completely inept fascination with muggle stuff perhaps comes from "gently caress you dad" Unfortunately it's potterlore that the Weasleys (and Potters) are notoriously antifa among the pureblood crowd. For a story about how people shouldn't be racist, sure a lot of weird poo poo about being defined by your birth! I'm coming around to thinking Cursed Child is the best story. Harry's pissed at his poo poo kid, meanwhile Draco is like "I don't care if this little guy is a product of time travel Voldemort cucking me or not, I'm all he has and he deserves a better dad than I had." The middle installment of the parody musical also features a time-traveling Draco saving the day from his dad's time-traveling evil scheme. The golden trio all still hate future good Draco. Extremely prescient.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Unfortunately it's potterlore that the Weasleys (and Potters) are notoriously antifa among the pureblood crowd. he was a squib-erasing radical mugglebornist
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amigolupus posted:IIRC, you also need magic for potions ingredients to work, so they can't even brew potions to make their lives easier. This part is insane to me because like, why? There’s also tons of magic items and artifacts that obviously don’t require inherent magic or a wand so why not just give this poo poo to your muggle or squib allies/friebs/families to at least give them a chance so they aren’t these weird outliers stuck between two worlds. (For that matter, why not give Jacob any poo poo like this in FB3 instead of a fake wand basically as a prank, Jesus Christ) quote:If Dumbledore really respected Filch, he would've exorcised Binns' ghost and trained Filch to become the next History of Magic teacher, since you don't need magic to teach that. Care of magic creatures also doesn’t need a wand, and Hagrid’s status as gamekeeper has more to do with his size than his ability to use a wand. There should be a ton of legit stuff that doesn’t require a wand to do and they basically just gently caress with these poor people.
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It would have been funny if the books had Arthur Weasley be a hardcore muggle weeb, know everything about the muggle world and even have a computer with an internet connection. How is he so clueless about everything mundane if he's genuinely interested in the subject? Like if you went to the muggle library you'd learn that dentists don't get paid in teeth or whatever.
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