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SlothfulCobra
Mar 27, 2011

Do real english boarding school dorms declare themselves to have one certain special random trait?

Do they have 3 different ones that declare themselves to be the evil dorm?

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AARD VARKMAN
May 17, 1993

reignofevil posted:

I'm gonna write a fanfic where space aliens try to reveal to the muggles that wizards exist and then the wizards have to fight the aliens.

I'm gonna write one where the aliens show up to send their children to Hogwarts because it's the best wizarding school in the galaxy. it's going to follow the adventures of Gixnod, who is three blorths old (roughly 11 in muggle years)

muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005

Its pretty hosed up that all wizards are apparently okay with just erasing muggle memories because they don't feel like sharing magic with the rest of the world.

jojoinnit
Dec 13, 2010

Strength and speed, that's why you're a special agent.

SlothfulCobra posted:

Do real english boarding school dorms declare themselves to have one certain special random trait?

Do they have 3 different ones that declare themselves to be the evil dorm?

Kinda but they're all just the evil ones. The fiction is that there would be Hufflepuffs at Eton. Half of them think they're Gryffendor but just in the obstinate rear end in a top hat sense.

Basically, think about what house Boris Johnson thinks he would be in compared to what he would actually be in. Both are Slytherin, but one is less honest.

\/\/\/ this is a good post. You can possibly tell I once boarded with rich kids and am too close to the source material

jojoinnit fucked around with this message at 22:17 on Sep 1, 2020

Hedrigall
Mar 27, 2008

by vyelkin

SlothfulCobra posted:

Do real english boarding school dorms declare themselves to have one certain special random trait?

House Churchill, with the power of stiff upper lip
House Mountbatten, with the power of imperialism
House Grant, with the power of bumbling politeness
House Nigelthornberry, with the power of blargh

By your powers combined, I am Eton College!

josh04
Oct 19, 2008


"THE FLASH IS THE REASON
TO RACE TO THE THEATRES"

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Eton's Houses are (cf wikipedia), College, Godolphin, Jourdelay's, Hawtrey, Durnford, The Hopgarden, South Lawn, Waynflete, Evans's, Keate, Warre, Villiers, Common Lane, Penn, Walpole, Cotton Hall, Wotton, Holland, Mustians, Angelo's, Manor, Farrer, Baldwin's Bec, The Timbralls, and Westbury. There are 25 of them and I'm sure each has it's own uniquely boring history.

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo

josh04 posted:

Eton's Houses are (cf wikipedia), College, Godolphin, Jourdelay's, Hawtrey, Durnford, The Hopgarden, South Lawn, Waynflete, Evans's, Keate, Warre, Villiers, Common Lane, Penn, Walpole, Cotton Hall, Wotton, Holland, Mustians, Angelo's, Manor, Farrer, Baldwin's Bec, The Timbralls, and Westbury. There are 25 of them and I'm sure each has it's own uniquely boring history.

They don’t even follow the same naming scheme? Jesus Christ upper class British stuff is the worst

Fantastic Foreskin
Jan 6, 2013

A golden helix streaked skyward from the Helvault. A thunderous explosion shattered the silver monolith and Avacyn emerged, free from her prison at last.

Edgar Allen Ho posted:

They don’t even follow the same naming scheme? Jesus Christ upper class British stuff is the worst

I don't think anyone would disagree with this. In any context.

Barudak
May 7, 2007

I am a proud member of the Who Dat Nation and I have Silly Burrito to thank for it. I also buy my king cakes at Wal-Mart
I went to a school with Houses and there was some sort of History to them but thanks to the House I was assigned not having won the House challenge since before I was born we believed we were Loser House and put absolutely 0 effort into winning anything.

Sleeveless
Dec 25, 2014

by Pragmatica

SlothfulCobra posted:

Do real english boarding school dorms declare themselves to have one certain special random trait?

I mean America did that too until a couple decades ago and even now we just use the figleaf of it supposedly being based on individual choice and achievement that everyone winds up separated into the AP kids, the standard kids, and the remedial kids.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Zore posted:

It seems to roughly balance them, but assuming we get everyone in Harry's year is named there are definitely discrepancies between house size.

We get 8 Griffindors, 9 Slytherins, 4 Hufflepuffs and 6 Ravenclaws total. 18 boys and 9 girls. Which also should mean Hogwarts has somewhere in the realm of 200 kids at a time. The movies pad this out a lot by adding a bunch of unnamed extras.

Would not be surprised if there was some significant disparities between house populations, Slytherin probably having the least and Hufflepuff the most.

My school had houses, which we literally only remembered for Sports Day.


TheAardvark posted:

I'm gonna write one where the aliens show up to send their children to Hogwarts because it's the best wizarding school in the galaxy. it's going to follow the adventures of Gixnod, who is three blorths old (roughly 11 in muggle years)

This is actually kinda what happens with The Owl House except it's a human going to a witch school of various weird magical creatures but mostly vaguely pointy-eared humanoids.

Sydin
Oct 29, 2011

Another spring commute
If anything it seems like Slytherin would have the most kids. It becomes pretty obvious in the later books that while those who support Voldy's flat out genocide are a minority, there's a significant chunk of wizards who thinks muggles, muggle-borns, and even just non-purebloods are inferiors. The wizarding world is small and insular and I'd bet a plurality of people raised in the wizarding world would say of Slytherin "well you know he made some good points."

Then again the Sorting Hat is a lazy prick and just puts people into houses because of bloodlines half the time even if it makes no sense. Slytherin is supposed to be the house of ambition and yet somehow Percy ends up in Griffindor just because he's a Weasley, despite being an avaricious little toady who fails to display an ounce of the courage his house is supposed to be known for until the very end of Book 7. Hermione is textbook Ravenclaw, Bevis and Butthead Crabbe and Goyle aren't even really evil so much as they are thick and directionless without an authority figure so if anything should be Hufflepuff, etc etc.

Barudak
May 7, 2007

I am a proud member of the Who Dat Nation and I have Silly Burrito to thank for it. I also buy my king cakes at Wal-Mart
The sorting hat is a producer for a reality tv show and sorts the children accordingly

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




Zore posted:

It seems to roughly balance them, but assuming we get everyone in Harry's year is named there are definitely discrepancies between house size.

We get 8 Griffindors, 9 Slytherins, 4 Hufflepuffs and 6 Ravenclaws total. 18 boys and 9 girls. Which also should mean Hogwarts has somewhere in the realm of 200 kids at a time. The movies pad this out a lot by adding a bunch of unnamed extras.

Wasn't one of the retcon declarations that ended up making some kind of sense was that Harry's year and the one before it were super-small by comparison to most because people stopped having children at the height of the war? It's basically like this graph and WW1.



Two years down from Harry there's probably a year with a hundred kids and half of them were born nine months after the day Voldemort died.

Sydin posted:

Then again the Sorting Hat is a lazy prick and just puts people into houses because of bloodlines half the time even if it makes no sense. Slytherin is supposed to be the house of ambition and yet somehow Percy ends up in Griffindor just because he's a Weasley, despite being an avaricious little toady who fails to display an ounce of the courage his house is supposed to be known for until the very end of Book 7. Hermione is textbook Ravenclaw, Bevis and Butthead Crabbe and Goyle aren't even really evil so much as they are thick and directionless without an authority figure so if anything should be Hufflepuff, etc etc.

Yeah but it was explicitly said that if you have strong wishes it'll just follow them for you, which explains Percy (who would've been afraid of being the single non-Gryffindor) and Crabbe and Goyle and honestly probably most of the wizard world kids, who probably go in hoping for one in particular.

In terms of a better system it's pretty obvious that just putting kids in houses randomly would have way better social effects for the wizarding community. One of the big points of a school house system is to force you to team up with and work together on non-scholarly activities with people who might not be your personal circle of friends .

MikeJF fucked around with this message at 08:40 on Sep 2, 2020

Impossibly Perfect Sphere
Nov 6, 2002

They wasted Luanne on Lucky!

She could of have been so much more but the writers just didn't care!

Sydin posted:

If anything it seems like Slytherin would have the most kids. It becomes pretty obvious in the later books that while those who support Voldy's flat out genocide are a minority, there's a significant chunk of wizards who thinks muggles, muggle-borns, and even just non-purebloods are inferiors. The wizarding world is small and insular and I'd bet a plurality of people raised in the wizarding world would say of Slytherin "well you know he made some good points."

The attitude is kinda funny cause where did these genius wizards come up with the idea of you know school buildings, or enchanted pens, and poo poo like that? The didn't loving invent everything out of whole cloth. Their whole world is based on muggle inventions that they adopted for their own use. It's just at some point they decided to stop adopting them and live in 18th century squalor and somehow still believe they're superior.

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

reignofevil posted:

I'm gonna write a fanfic where space aliens try to reveal to the muggles that wizards exist and then the wizards have to fight the aliens.

i'm pretty sure this was a russell t. davies show

KDdidit
Mar 2, 2007



Grimey Drawer
I'm getting through the HP books in a sorta disjointed way. My wife's a school librarian and read them in her 20's when they first came out. I watched the movies with her when they came out with polite interest. We started reading our daughter the books when she was 3 and she's now 7 and we recently finished OotP. I do enjoy the books more than I thought, despite missing chapters at a time when my wife does the bedtime reading and I'm not around. It fills in the blanks in places I wasn't paying attention in the movies and points out the glaring holes when stuff from the book is omitted. It really ramps up in goblet when they skip the Ministry not believing Voldy's back, Rita's animagus-ness, and kind of gloss over the backlash Harry gets for being in the contest.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017
About that point in the movies they stopped really being coherent stories and are basically a highlight reel of the books.

dordreff
Jul 16, 2013
i don't remember much about the movies other than the third one, because it was the only one directed by a human instead of a computer algorithm, and the fourth one because it was a hosed up fever dream that just threw in scenes i vaguely recognised from the book at random. They couldn't take 5 minutes to explain who the gently caress David Tennant was playing but they absolutely could take 10 minutes to show a bunch of 30 year old Polish dudes spinning sticks around while some girls sighed dramatically and blew kisses at everything. Absolutely incredible film.

amigolupus
Aug 25, 2017

KDdidit posted:

I'm getting through the HP books in a sorta disjointed way. My wife's a school librarian and read them in her 20's when they first came out. I watched the movies with her when they came out with polite interest. We started reading our daughter the books when she was 3 and she's now 7 and we recently finished OotP. I do enjoy the books more than I thought, despite missing chapters at a time when my wife does the bedtime reading and I'm not around. It fills in the blanks in places I wasn't paying attention in the movies and points out the glaring holes when stuff from the book is omitted. It really ramps up in goblet when they skip the Ministry not believing Voldy's back, Rita's animagus-ness, and kind of gloss over the backlash Harry gets for being in the contest.

When Hermione tried to awkwardly explain to Harry that the reason Ron stopped speaking to him was because Ron was jealous that Harry was under the spotlight again, I loved that Harry's response was pretty much, "He should know better! He knows that this is yet another plot to kill me, right?!" :argh:

VanSandman
Feb 16, 2011
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:

The attitude is kinda funny cause where did these genius wizards come up with the idea of you know school buildings, or enchanted pens, and poo poo like that? The didn't loving invent everything out of whole cloth. Their whole world is based on muggle inventions that they adopted for their own use. It's just at some point they decided to stop adopting them and live in 18th century squalor and somehow still believe they're superior.

You have described the English to a loving T.

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo

dordreff posted:

i don't remember much about the movies other than the third one, because it was the only one directed by a human instead of a computer algorithm, and the fourth one because it was a hosed up fever dream that just threw in scenes i vaguely recognised from the book at random. They couldn't take 5 minutes to explain who the gently caress David Tennant was playing but they absolutely could take 10 minutes to show a bunch of 30 year old Polish dudes spinning sticks around while some girls sighed dramatically and blew kisses at everything. Absolutely incredible film.

Clémence Poésy makes sex noises and then firbending. It was the worst movie

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017
thread title: literally just the british upper class

Zore
Sep 21, 2010
willfully illiterate, aggressively miserable sourpuss whose sole raison d’etre is to put other people down for liking the wrong things

dordreff posted:

i don't remember much about the movies other than the third one, because it was the only one directed by a human instead of a computer algorithm, and the fourth one because it was a hosed up fever dream that just threw in scenes i vaguely recognised from the book at random. They couldn't take 5 minutes to explain who the gently caress David Tennant was playing but they absolutely could take 10 minutes to show a bunch of 30 year old Polish dudes spinning sticks around while some girls sighed dramatically and blew kisses at everything. Absolutely incredible film.

The third movie is probably the best standalone movie but boy did it gently caress up a ton of stuff down the line because it decided to leave out a ton of stuff that would become important later (like explaining who the gently caress the Marauders were) and started the trend of the movies just being supplemental to the books.

DrBouvenstein
Feb 28, 2007

I think I'm a doctor, but that doesn't make me a doctor. This fancy avatar does.

Zore posted:

The third movie is probably the best standalone movie but boy did it gently caress up a ton of stuff down the line because it decided to leave out a ton of stuff that would become important later (like explaining who the gently caress the Marauders were) and started the trend of the movies just being supplemental to the books.

Also, uhhh...the weird shrunken head? TF was up with that?

josh04
Oct 19, 2008


"THE FLASH IS THE REASON
TO RACE TO THE THEATRES"

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It's a background detail in the book's Knight Bus sequence that they made more promenent because as written, the scene is a featureless info dump where two men and a child discuss a newspaper.

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children_of_the_Red_King

holy poo poo if you thought Potter was bad check out the saga of CHARLIE BONE

Zore
Sep 21, 2010
willfully illiterate, aggressively miserable sourpuss whose sole raison d’etre is to put other people down for liking the wrong things

Edgar Allen Ho posted:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children_of_the_Red_King

holy poo poo if you thought Potter was bad check out the saga of CHARLIE BONE

I remember these books.

They were uh pretty generic overall. Also the world was tiny, there were like 20 people that mattered in the entire world and they were divided neatly into 'good people' and 'bad people' who mostly all had to go to school together and act with decorum because????

JethroMcB
Jan 23, 2004

We're normal now.
We love your family.

Edgar Allen Ho posted:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children_of_the_Red_King

holy poo poo if you thought Potter was bad check out the saga of CHARLIE BONE



OC Do Not Steal

(also chuckling like a Young Adult reading those Wikipedia plot summaries and repeatedly seeing phrases like "His descendants are endowed," "She discovers she's endowed," "He loses his endowment" etc.)

Robot Style
Jul 5, 2009

Come on now, that's just Benedict Cumberbatch's self-insert OC.

reignofevil
Nov 7, 2008

It's always nice to return to my sweet little ha-ha-hacienda.
Bone Appétit.

Hunter Noventa
Apr 21, 2010

JethroMcB posted:



OC Do Not Steal

(also chuckling like a Young Adult reading those Wikipedia plot summaries and repeatedly seeing phrases like "His descendants are endowed," "She discovers she's endowed," "He loses his endowment" etc.)

His neck has too many bones. Look at it.

JethroMcB
Jan 23, 2004

We're normal now.
We love your family.

Hunter Noventa posted:

His neck has too many bones. Look at it.

Editor's Note: Charlie Bone was raised in one of the Myanmar villages where ceremonial neck rings are normal.

Editor's Other Note: Charlie Bone is Endowed; Bone is the Most Endowed person in his world.

amigolupus
Aug 25, 2017

Thinking about it, there was some wasted potential with Dudley. The Dementor attack during OOTP gave him a reality check that he was a massive bully, and during HBP, Dumbledore's comment that the Dursleys also harmed Dudley probably gave him a lot to think about. There was an interesting narrative hook there about the golden child of an abusive family coming to realize what's been done to him, but it all happens offscreen (which makes sense since Harry needs to go to Hogwarts, but it sucks that never got explored).

Dudley could have also shown how far he's come by having a wizard child and being a loving dad to them, but nope, Rowling says his genes are evil so no way can he ever have a magical kid.

The Lobotomy Kid
Aug 27, 2011

and act like a nut.
With the help of a mysterious man named Mr. Onimous and his magical cats, Charlie returns the photograph of the missing baby to its rightful owner

Sydin
Oct 29, 2011

Another spring commute
IIRC one of Rowling's numerous expanded lore tidbits is that after the events of the story Dudley actually leveled off fairly well and he and Harry are on at least decent terms as adults.

Barudak
May 7, 2007

I am a proud member of the Who Dat Nation and I have Silly Burrito to thank for it. I also buy my king cakes at Wal-Mart
I like to think Dudley grew up to be a public attorney specializing in cases of child neglect and abuse, but I assume in true Rowling fashion he grew somehow even fatter until he looked like Emperor Atreides.

JethroMcB
Jan 23, 2004

We're normal now.
We love your family.

Barudak posted:

I like to think Dudley grew up to be a public attorney specializing in cases of child neglect and abuse, but I assume in true Rowling fashion he grew somehow even fatter until he looked like Emperor Atreides.

He grew up to be a cop

They all grew up to be cops. Even the adult characters.

Barudak
May 7, 2007

I am a proud member of the Who Dat Nation and I have Silly Burrito to thank for it. I also buy my king cakes at Wal-Mart
Blue Lives Matter, said Dursley, fattily.

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Feb 16, 2011

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Barudak posted:

Blue Lives Matter, said Dursley, fattily.
Dursley is simply a continuation of the very old Children's book tradition of Chet Morton from the Hardy Boys

Drunk Nerds posted:

From the same book in the OP (The Hardy Boys Secret of Pirates' Hill), page 31:

The detour they had to make took the boys past the farm of their friend Chet Morton. Chet was eighteen, roly-poly, good-natured, and loved to eat. Solving mysteries with the Hardys always gave him the jutters. Despite this, he was a loyal assistant and on more than one occasion had saved them from dangerous predicaments.

"Let's stop a minute," Joe suggested, seeing Chet's sister Iola near the swimming pool.

Frank grinned knowingly. Joe and Iola dated frequently. He pulled into the driveway. The Boys got out and walked toward the pretty dark-haired girl.

"Hi!" she said

"Hi, yourself!" Joe said, 'Where's Chet?"

Iola pointed into the pool. Their stout friend was under water, wearing flippers and a snorkel. He traveled slowly, the snorkel moving like the periscope of a miniature submarine,

"Ahoy!" Joe yelled, as the brothers ran to the water's edge.

Chet continued moving about like a walrus. But finally he emerged and removed the face mask and flippers.

"Hi, fellows!" he called. "I'm having a hard time learning this business. Can't get down deep enough."

"What's the trouble?" Joe asked, "That extra fat you carry around make you too buoyant?" he teased.

"Now listen here," said Chet, "just because I know good food when I see it-"

He smacked his lips as if imagining he was about to taste something delicious.

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