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TinTower posted:For example, there was a twitter user who was threatened with legal action for saying "JK Rowling ignored porn tweeted at children". Jesus Christ it’s the exact joke from Community: “I can excuse racism but I draw the line at animal cruelty. You can excuse racism?”
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Regalingualius posted:...That's gonna make the parts where he calls Lily an in-setting slur concerning, no? I've recently been going through the Vampire Chronicles books again and of course Interview is a hot new TV adaptation which turned an MC black. But the thing is racial tension isn't a thing in the VC books. Vampires don't care about skin color, or sex, or really much of anything that belonged to your old human life. So this was a case of the show adding to the books. This is a kind of weird situation as you indicate.. Because Snape himself is "half-blood." Most Death Eaters are also half-bloods, who are just pretending to be pure bloods. Snape never did this though. He did call everyone (besides Lily, until his fifth year, anyway) by a racialized slur, however. I just feel like it might change the dynamic in a confusing way given bigotry is already a central theme.
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Tone-deaf “compromise”: he calls her a cracker instead
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Regalingualius posted:Tone-deaf “compromise”: he calls her a cracker instead This is why I'm almost glad that there were no non-white kids in any of the books. Can you imagine her trying to write one? Actually, how many folks would fit the non-white bill? Kingsley Shacklebolt is the most obvious one, and also the Patil sisters. Are we counting the snake being a Korean woman?
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Serperoth posted:This is why I'm almost glad that there were no non-white kids in any of the books. Can you imagine her trying to write one? Cho Chang
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Air Skwirl posted:https://x.com/candon_sean/status/1864416791088271478?t=vruD93ztU_qnVfhWp_bn_g&s=19 Toplowtech fucked around with this message at 06:59 on Dec 5, 2024 |
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Regalingualius posted:...That's gonna make the parts where he calls Lily an in-setting slur concerning, no? Or the part where the Marauders bullied him and one of them tried to have him killed once.
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YaketySass posted:Or the part where the Marauders bullied him and one of them tried to have him killed once. the english will see absolutely nothing wrong with a bunch of posh assholes bullying a minority. Especially when the only person who would get in trouble is another minority.
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Personally anyone who takes a roll in this is on my shitlist so let them cast whatever loving dregs of the acting world are willing. *with the exception of any kids too young to know better
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Serperoth posted:This is why I'm almost glad that there were no non-white kids in any of the books. Can you imagine her trying to write one? Lee Jordan (like a Michael's Jordan) the sports announcer
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Also Dean Thomas and Angelina Johnson.
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PriorMarcus posted:Personally anyone who takes a roll in this is on my shitlist so let them cast whatever loving dregs of the acting world are willing. The rumors floating around is that they're having a problem casting because of this. Nobody wants to work with Rowling.
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I feel bad for whoever they get to play the trio. They'll almost certainly have been pressured into it by Potter fan parents, and they'll spend the next decade (at a minimum) being forensically compared to the OGs. Not to mention the fact that they'll be expected to take a stance on JKR's nonsense before they understand it. They're hosed.
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muscles like this! posted:The rumors floating around is that they're having a problem casting because of this. Nobody wants to work with Rowling. You mean nobody wants to be HARASSED and CANCELLED by the WOKE MOB
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If “death of the author” can be used to offer subversive interpretations of the text—even if the author is still alive to say “no that isn’t what I intended”—why can’t it be used to say “we don’t care what you say or think, we’ll enjoy your works the way we want to”?
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Grundulum posted:If “death of the author” can be used to offer subversive interpretations of the text—even if the author is still alive to say “no that isn’t what I intended”—why can’t it be used to say “we don’t care what you say or think, we’ll enjoy your works the way we want to”? It can and does. Things get a bit more complex when by engaging with the author's work, even in a subversive way, you are funneling your resources into their efforts to spread hatred and kill innocent people. EDIT: I also think there are levels to that kind of thing. Celebrities like Clint Eastwood or Kid Rock or Hulk Hogan who willingly involve themselves with Donald Trump are huge pieces of poo poo, but they're a lesser evil than someone like Rowling who has made herself the personal standard bearer AND bankroll for entire bigotry movement and single-handedly supercharged its relevance to politics, leading to direct harm on a mass scale AND the individual level. Sanguinia fucked around with this message at 15:26 on Dec 5, 2024 |
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Grundulum posted:If “death of the author” can be used to offer subversive interpretations of the text—even if the author is still alive to say “no that isn’t what I intended”—why can’t it be used to say “we don’t care what you say or think, we’ll enjoy your works the way we want to”? Because engaging with her bullshit gives her money which she then spends on harassing her critics via the bullshit English libel laws and donates to monstrously bigoted causes?
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Also a page or two back the thread was just talking about how Rowling sees sales as vindication of her views, and swears she won't ever, ever shut up while people are buying her books
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Grundulum posted:If “death of the author” can be used to offer subversive interpretations of the text—even if the author is still alive to say “no that isn’t what I intended”—why can’t it be used to say “we don’t care what you say or think, we’ll enjoy your works the way we want to”? People's (right and proper) hatred of the author frequently spills over to the books she wrote, but make no mistake: that's exactly how it works. Wolfechu posted:Also a page or two back the thread was just talking about how Rowling sees sales as vindication of her views, and swears she won't ever, ever shut up while people are buying her books Sure she believes that (and absolutely don't give that woman a single dime) but the idea that some kid liking a book about magic is a validation of her bigotries is just more delusional thinking on her part.
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midnight77 posted:Cho Chang Oh I totally forgot her, that was my bad. Dabir posted:Lee Jordan (like a Michael's Jordan) the sports announcer Doctor Spaceman posted:Also Dean Thomas and Angelina Johnson. Were they described in the books? I haven't seen the films so I don't know if any casting decisions were made there.
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Serperoth posted:Were they described in the books? I haven't seen the films so I don't know if any casting decisions were made there. Yeah briefly (though there's something weird about Dean Thomas only being black in the American version, idk).
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Yeah briefly (though there's something weird about Dean Thomas only being black in the American version, idk). Ah fair enough then, my bad on those as well. No idea about the US version, I have the first five books in Greek. That's still not a great track record right? Two supporting characters, and five basically background ones? I don't think current-day Rowling could do even that. I remember reading about how in her detective novels, there was a Polish worker (of course) who needed explaining when someone referred to a detective, cause she doesn't speak English, you see.
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Serperoth posted:Oh I totally forgot her, that was my bad. Dean's other main defining trait is how he's a black kid whose (possibly Pureblood?) father ran out on him and his mom before he was born. Like, on its own it seems innocuous, but then you get get to Kingsley's last name and realize something stinks about it.
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Serperoth posted:That's still not a great track record right? Two supporting characters, and five basically background ones? The UK was like 90-95% white during the 90s. The problem is less how many non-white people there are and more the specifics of their characters.
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Grundulum posted:If “death of the author” can be used to offer subversive interpretations of the text—even if the author is still alive to say “no that isn’t what I intended”—why can’t it be used to say “we don’t care what you say or think, we’ll enjoy your works the way we want to”? You're totally free to read Harry's obsession with Malfoy as queer, or Harry himself as mixed-race, or Luna as autistic, or Hermione as black. No one can stop you. However, Warner Brothers can't make e.g. a black Hermione TV show or Harry Potter Easter Egg hunt video game (with pronouns in the character creator) without at least cursory oversight from JK Rowling, because as far as I recall, JK Rowling retains legal veto rights over the use of the HP intellectual property. I'm pretty sure that was part of her original contract when she leased the IP to WB. There's certainly rumours on her stopping some branding deals, e.g. why you never had Harry Potter toys in your Happy Meal. It's unusual, and probably is an artifact of how white-hot the HP property was in the 90s/00s, and it stops WB from jettisoning Rowling and e.g. pinkwashing the IP, for worse or better. e: HBO Confirms Impact of JK Rowling’s Transphobia on ‘Harry Potter’ Reboot, by Chloe James, November 13, 2024, insidethemagic.com posted:Her Universal contract further grants her absolute veto power, reading, “Any objection whatsoever by the Author with regard to any submissions…is sufficient grounds for disapproval by Licensor.” second e: thanks to whoever recommended Witch, Please (now rebranded as Material Girls) - it's a podcast of two professors of media studies using the HP books to explore different lenses, e.g. using one episode on the third book and the Prison-Industrial Complex, or the second book and Queer Studies. Whilst early episodes rely a bit much on their soundboard at times, and their first themesong is bitcrushed to crap, I really enjoyed their conversations and felt like I got a good grounding in media studies, its different aspects, and different real-world topics that they reflect on. It also really underlines again how Rowling just gets so close to an interesting controversy or real-world hosed Up Thing, only to just... veer off and ignore it. dr bumnus fucked around with this message at 11:44 on Dec 6, 2024 |
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Harry's usually more descriptive about the guys in the series than the girls, who he'll describe as attractive in a way where he clarifies he's not personally attracted to them.
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bobjr posted:Harry's usually more descriptive about the guys in the series than the girls, who he'll describe as attractive in a way where he clarifies he's not personally attracted to them. You know, just like a teenage boy
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It’s comforting to know that even big hit authors can inadvertently reveal their own sensibilities when writing. The only other clear example I can think of is Ben Shapiro obsessing over his main character’s above average height but he’s not really a writer (only a very lovely one, along with everything else he does but I digress).
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BigglesSWE posted:The only other clear example I can think of is Ben Shapiro obsessing over his main character’s above average height but he’s not really a writer (only a very lovely one, along with everything else he does but I digress). Omfg hahhahhh
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BigglesSWE posted:It’s comforting to know that even big hit authors can inadvertently reveal their own sensibilities when writing. I mean besides all the liberal stuff, the Potter books are absolutely an insight into Rowling. Like you can tell in the later books she just completely loses interest in the story she was writing and decides she would rather do Criminal Minds knockoff fiction - which, you know, she eventually did - because Voldemort shifts inexplicably from NotHitler to NotManson. Like on some level, yes, credit where it is due she was definitely deliberately trying to have the books mature with their initial primary audience, but the last book or two make it pretty clear some of the tonal shifts and subject matter choices are due to her developing new fixations and interests IRL and shoehorning them into her existing book. Like a fanfic writer might do. Plus other stuff unrelated to liberalism - the implicit transphobia, her hatred of attractive women and unattractive women, etc. Like, again, if you are uglier than a 4 or hotter than a 6 Rowling basically thinks you are scum and deserve naught but scorn. The way they slutshame and dunk on Fleur at every opportunity for the crime of being attractive is wild. There's a streak of pettiness and cruelty in the books and their moral sensibilities that can't be explained by their end of history liberal centrism and speak to the author's own issues. Like in retrospect knowing what a literal hate golem she is, you really see a lot of the hints and stuff of it in the books. She was always a hateful ghoul but was forced to behave in society. Like Musk and Trump her wealth and privilege eventually offered her a chance to go mask off and live her true self.
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RoboChrist 9000 posted:Plus other stuff unrelated to liberalism - the implicit transphobia, her hatred of attractive women and unattractive women, etc. Like, again, if you are uglier than a 4 or hotter than a 6 Rowling basically thinks you are scum and deserve naught but scorn. The way they slutshame and dunk on Fleur at every opportunity for the crime of being attractive is wild. To be fair, Fleur is also French so as a Brit Rowling has to pay homage to roughly 1000 years of blood hatred when including her.
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Fleur is introduced as the best wizard in her school and does jack poo poo except get owned. I don't remember her being that snobby of a person in text either, mostly annoyed Harry got picked with Cedric (which nearly everyone did, including Harry), and saying French food was better than British Food.
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Fleur gets treated like poo poo by Molly, Ginny, and Hermione when she first comes to live with them because she and Bill hooked up. There is something to (Molly mostly) learning that she wants to be with Bill for deeper reasons than looks or the money from his nice banking job. Where it’s undermined is with JK Rowling’s overall writing of women. Fleur is gorgeous but her beauty is apparently effortless and derived from being partially supernatural, so I guess she doesn’t need to do much to maintain it [important]. It masks that she’s otherwise level-headed and smart in the same way all the other good women in the series are.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:The UK was like 90-95% white during the 90s. The problem is less how many non-white people there are and more the specifics of their characters. You what? It most certainly was not, it's had substantial Indian-subcontinent and West Indian minorities since the 1950s.
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feedmegin posted:You what? It most certainly was not, it's had substantial Indian-subcontinent and West Indian minorities since the 1950s. Yeah, weren't there full on American style race riots in the 80s?
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feedmegin posted:You what? It most certainly was not, it's had substantial Indian-subcontinent and West Indian minorities since the 1950s. Yeah that's why it wasn't 100%. The 2001 UK census had about 90% of people self-identify as white.
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