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NikkolasKing posted:This reminds me of how after Force Awakens I saw a lot of people saying "I want Kylo to die a pathetic failure, hated and abandoned by all, because that's what should happen to fascists." i dont mind redeeming villians but it needs to feel built to and sorta earned. i feel like kylo was earned enough but badly done in the moment. the related trope i hate is "Im gonna spare obvious monster who is an evil gently caress" but ill kill like a billion conscripts to get into that room, wonder woman was super guilty of that. Air Skwirl posted:Rowling is also anti-porn, and like, I wouldn't expect someone most famous for writing children's books expect to be an advocate for porn, but this will also end up hurting women. going full SWERF too i see. Feldegast42 posted:Hey were you the bowtie who wrote this fine piece of work honestly. i kinda like that definition more because its on the money and the longer definetion strays hard into the weeds for normal people. muscles like this! posted:Somebody needs money because Tom Felton is going to be playing Draco in a Broadway performance of Cursed Child. is the play any good? I heard its just dumb and boring.
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Dabir posted:The only opinion on faith anyone expresses is that one suicidally stupid guy who tells the evil wizard apprentice of his evil archmage Emperor "I don't believe you really have magic powers". And then Vader demonstrates that yes, he does have magic powers. And as for politics, the only political position anyone in the Empire expresses on screen is "rebels bad". They bully the galaxy into submitting to them by pointing guns at people, that's bad but it's not specifically fascist unless you think muggers are also fascist. the funniest part is in one of the new canon short story compilations. someone wrote a story of Motti writing an Email to HR and just bitching about how vader was shoving his religious views on him https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/An_Incident_Report
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Dapper_Swindler posted:the funniest part is in one of the new canon short story compilations. someone wrote a story of Motti writing an Email to HR and just bitching about how vader was shoving his religious views on him https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/An_Incident_Report See, this is why Vader stopped sparing them
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I'm not going to weigh in on the fascism debate myself but in catching up on the thread I do want to say I find it very funny to see an argument about what qualifies as fascism, the ideology where even the foundational philosophical texts critiquing it go "Ehhh there's no easy definition here it's very vibes based and here's a few markers you might find to help you identify it."
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Dapper_Swindler posted:is the play any good? I heard its just dumb and boring. As a stage show it's pretty good. Not worth the price of the tickets but there are some impressive effects on show. As a story it's absolutely dire. The pits. Swill.
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stev posted:As a stage show it's pretty good. Not worth the price of the tickets but there are some impressive effects on show. yeah. a friend of mine says she might go see it again if felton is doing it just because. yeah i heard the story is garbage. whats sad is i think you CAN make interesting stories in harry potter universe but it keeps getting tied to the rise of voldimort or whatever. like magic beasts one isnt amazing but its a fun solid thing and then 2 is just an abortion that ruins everything good about the first one.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:yeah. a friend of mine says she might go see it again if felton is doing it just because. yeah i heard the story is garbage. whats sad is i think you CAN make interesting stories in harry potter universe but it keeps getting tied to the rise of voldimort or whatever. like magic beasts one isnt amazing but its a fun solid thing and then 2 is just an abortion that ruins everything good about the first one. I'm not sure you actually CAN tell that many interesting stories specifically in this setting. It's basically just "Vampire the Masquerade, only nobody is self-aware about being monsters"
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Nuns with Guns posted:I'm not going to weigh in on the fascism debate myself but in catching up on the thread I do want to say I find it very funny to see an argument about what qualifies as fascism, the ideology where even the foundational philosophical texts critiquing it go "Ehhh there's no easy definition here it's very vibes based and here's a few markers you might find to help you identify it." yeah i don't want to rehash the whole argument but my initial point that sparked it was 'blowing up a planet isn't the fascist thing', not that the empire isn't fascist.
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muscles like this! posted:Now you can watch canonical Draco being time cucked. No you see he didn't get time cucked! Please put in the newspaper that Dracao Malfoy was not time cucked by the Dark Lord.
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Asterite34 posted:I'm not sure you actually CAN tell that many interesting stories specifically in this setting. It's basically just "Vampire the Masquerade, only nobody is self-aware about being monsters" I think it's a great setting for books about school children in a magical school, and making Voldemort the main villain kinda ruined it. Like still have a villain who's doing horrible things when the kids are 14, 15, 16, 17, but don't have it be fascists taking over the country. Have a different magical thing. I know dragons are mentioned but did Harry ever meet one, kinda hosed up if he didn't in a magical school he attended for 7 years and that works as a villain or something that needs rescuing from a different evil wizard.
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He met at least two. It was a huge set piece in the fourth book
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I haven't seen the films in years and the last time I read one of the books was when the last one was only in hardcover. I just rembered like the oldest Weasley kid was studying dragons in Eastern Europe or something as part of what the wizards have for post grad word work. In America it'd probably be the equivalent of a biology PhD.
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Air Skwirl posted:I haven't seen the films in years and the last time I read one of the books was when the last one was only in hardcover. I just rembered like the oldest Weasley kid was studying dragons in Eastern Europe or something as part of what the wizards have for post grad word work. In America it'd probably be the equivalent of a biology PhD. There's Norbert (later revealed to be Norberta by Charlie who can actually tell dragon sexes apart) from the first book. This was the baby dragon Hagrid tried to raise, and he got it from Quirrel/Voldemort so they could learn how to get passed Fluffy the three-headed dog. There's the Hungarian Horntail Harry has to get the 'Golden Egg" from as part of the First Task in the Triwizard Tournament in Book 4. And finally there's the dragon guarding the deepest vaults in the bank in Book 7. They free it and escape on it with the Horcrux Cup.
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There's like 4 subspecies of dragons in Great Britain alone, it's gotta be a hell of a job keeping people unaware of them.
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Asterite34 posted:I'm not sure you actually CAN tell that many interesting stories specifically in this setting. It's basically just "Vampire the Masquerade, only nobody is self-aware about being monsters" Saying it's "just Vampire the Masquerade" is funny on a few levels. Like, yes, once you're not at Hogwarts, the Potterverse is a very bog-standard urban fantasy setting, but that's a very successful subgenre of literature a lot of popular series fall into including other properties that have gotten successful TV and movie adaptions. It's also amusing to imagine that VtM has such a high profile nowadays that anyone who isn't a TTRPG nerd or fan of cult-hit CRPGs would consider other urban fantasy stories derivative of it in specific. Maybe modern vampire fiction in general, but when the Harry Potter setting is centered around a lot of racist wizards the closest equivalent there is Mage and.... well nobody but turbo nerds cares about Mage. Then there's also the fact that the Harry Potter books were always incredibly derivative even within the confines of Hogwarts, but that never stopped people who've never read another book in their life from calling everything about the series fresh and innovative. *taps the Boss Baby meme and Ursula K LeGuin's takedown of the Harry Potter series* ungulateman posted:yeah i don't want to rehash the whole argument but my initial point that sparked it was 'blowing up a planet isn't the fascist thing', not that the empire isn't fascist. I think there's ways to argue that, but that's a whole other setting and series of stories. Plus there's the way The Empire and The First Order get kind of blended together into a slurry when specific contexts around how the Empire can be defined as fascist don't map cleanly to The First Order etc. It's all left deliberately murky to make the aesthetics still something that can be mass marketed. Nuns with Guns fucked around with this message at 05:02 on Jun 7, 2025 |
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Asterite34 posted:I'm not sure you actually CAN tell that many interesting stories specifically in this setting. It's basically just "Vampire the Masquerade, only nobody is self-aware about being monsters" i also think harry potter is weirdly limited because of how "unlimited" it is. like all the mythical creatures and objects and etc exist at once and magic can fix alot of problems easy enough.
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A sensible way to expand the EU in a direction people want would be by having stories set in and around other magical schools around the world because it's familiar, plays into the appealing fantasy people have about Harry Potter, and it acts as an entryway into another regional wizard society. But Rowling ruined this by making all the other wizard schools racist, so they'll have to wait until she dies so that they can pay some new writers to pave over the pottermore lore.
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Honestly, Fantastic Beasts was nominally the project that would have expanded the world into locations and characters beyond what the original series portrayed, and she blew that by making wizard America into a dour-rear end gray-rear end miserable-rear end setting no one cared about, and that was before the films started to suck so much rear end-rear end they couldn't even finish the set.
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Dabir posted:Very normal comparison cheers for that A normal comparison for a normal poster
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BrianWilly posted:Honestly, Fantastic Beasts was nominally the project that would have expanded the world into locations and characters beyond what the original series portrayed, and she blew that by making wizard America into a dour-rear end gray-rear end miserable-rear end setting no one cared about, and that was before the films started to suck so much rear end-rear end they couldn't even finish the set. And it's set in New York during the Roaring Twenties, lmao
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BrianWilly posted:Honestly, Fantastic Beasts was nominally the project that would have expanded the world into locations and characters beyond what the original series portrayed, and she blew that by making wizard America into a dour-rear end gray-rear end miserable-rear end setting no one cared about, and that was before the films started to suck so much rear end-rear end they couldn't even finish the set. yep, they made the sequel so loving stupidly mean and bleak too. like look, i love my bleak grimdark but i want to see this dude and his friends have an adventure. i also loving HATE that they hosed up that plot with the baker and the ladies sister, where its kinda clear by the ending that he is gonna at some point remember because he is making pastiries shaped like the creatures and poo poo, but nah, she roofies his rear end and when he comes too, he still forgot it all. loving lol.
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I only engaged with the FB films through Jenny Nicholson's videos about them and I couldn't loving believe the plot she was describing.
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And then after doing a movie where the villain's plot hinges around his nefarious scheme to stop the Holocaust, we got Harry Potter and the Protocols of the Elders of Zion as a game.
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I didn’t watch the latest one. The lady who roofied the muggle love interest and then later went on to join the wizard Nazis (who are bad for trying to stop the Holocaust). What did she get up to in the next movie?
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RoboChrist 9000 posted:And then after doing a movie where the villain's plot hinges around his nefarious scheme to stop the Holocaust, we got Harry Potter and the Protocols of the Elders of Zion as a game. one of the things i remembered is that Newt and most of the mail cast are WW1 vets, so i guess wizard world was involved in ww1. so like was it a seperate thing or did a bunch of wizards gently caress up at the somme and got a ton of muggles killed. Zesty posted:I didn’t watch the latest one. i think she quits and then marries him.
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Zesty posted:I didn’t watch the latest one. She stopped the holocaust. Movies four and five are about Dumbledore committing the holocaust himself to repair the timeline.
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The machinations to set up the reveal that Ezra Miller's character wasn't actually who he thought he was but was instead a secret heir to one of the 8 Wizarding Families That Actually Matter (IDK I didn't actually watch the product) is some of the worst plotting I've ever heard. Retroactively makes it amazing that she managed to put together a 7 book series that mostly held together, even when she clearly started retconning stuff to make the last few books.
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The FB movies are truly spectacular in the way they gleefully commit to unforced errors and horrendous character developments.the first movie is close to being decent but it has some real crazy poo poo thrown in without apparent effort to internalise them. Like how Tina can get sentenced to death on a whim without anyone batting an eye. The second movie is structurally incomprehensible and politically baffling. You didn’t have to invoke the Holocaust as your bad guy’s motivation for why muggles needs to be stopped! But you did it anyway! The third movie is not as jaw-droppingly awful as the second but it’s pretty dumb and forgettable. It is very funny in how it wraps with an air of “this is the natural end of this story” when the elephant in the room is the two to three sequels that were meant to be made but never will be.
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The decision to start a franchise about a goofy guy who loves magical animals but then transition it to being primarily about the ongoing fight between Wizard Hitler 1 and Wizard Jesus Grandpa is loving unfathomable. I don't know if it was sheer hubris on Rowling's part thinking that she was a much better writer than she actually is to pull something like that off, or if she just got studio notes and was too proud to be like "this decision makes no sense and I can't possibly make that work" but either way it should be studied in creative writing classes for decades
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I mean the thing is, it's not even like it was a bait and switch in the second movie. It was a bait and switch from the word go. The first movie is absolutely not 'Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them.' It's very much Newt Scamander vs Wizard Hitler 1.0. And I don't understand why the gently caress the bait and switch was necessary. Surely before she showed us all what a terrible idea it was, most studio execs would have heard 'Harry Potter Prequel' and seen it as a license to print money even more than 'Harry Potter spinoff completely divorced from anything in the original books besides a namedrop'. And likewise the fans obviously would have loved a pitch that was getting see the story of Grindlewald and Dumbledore doing their Anakin and Obi-Wan thing but with more gay baiting. Like why? Why did she feel the need to market it as something it never was and became increasingly less of, somehow?
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It should have been Doctor Dolittle, each one being short and focusing on solving the problem of a different magical animal. It would have been loving classic children's stuff no matter how badly written it was. I guess she didn't need more money.
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ONE YEAR LATER posted:bad guy for movie about magical animals isn't a magical poacher or big game hunter because uhh uhhhh I still think this post is the best pitch for a Fantastic Beasts movie: Barudak posted:NEWT SCAMANDER is a stuffy british conservationist wizard sent to assignment to AMERICA to help retrieve a UNICORN. While there he meets LOCAL AMERICAN SIDEKICK (Im gonna call him LIBERTY UNIDOS) who is WILD and PROVINCIAL. While working together they find out that the villain SLAVERY FOREVER, a former Confederate, has stolen the UNICORN and is planning to sell it to a higher bidder. After many tribulations they learn SLAVERY FOREVER has been supplying NEWT SCAMANDERS conservatory with illegally taken and poorly treated animals so they vow to stop him and return the UNICORN to its rightful home. During a KICKASS TRAIN SCENE, our heroes are split up. LIBERTY UNIDOS defeats his opponent a notorious mercenary HESSIAN PRIDE by doing a callback to being told to shut up a lot by casting a silent, no wand EXPELIRAMUS to knock him off the train so he can appear in THE SEQUEL. At the same time, NEWT SCAMANDER defeats SLAVERY FOREVER with the help of the UNICORN after which he decides to write his own zoological guide with the help of LIBERTY UNIDOS that he plans to call FANTASTIC BEASTS AND WHERE TO FIND THEM.
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Hessian Pride veers distressingly close to actual Harry Potter naming conventions
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Nettle Soup posted:It should have been Doctor Dolittle, each one being short and focusing on solving the problem of a different magical animal. It would have been loving classic children's stuff no matter how badly written it was. Hell, the "scavenger hunt for a bunch of lost animals scattered throughout New Yoik" premise of the first one was pretty fun! Especially stuff like the magic bird that changed size and the rhino thingy on ice. You could edit around 70% of that film's footage down to a passable kids adventure.
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IIRC David Yates (who directed the movies) said that Rowling going "it is a five movie story" was a surprise to everyone involved with the film's production. One of the biggest problems with those movies was sacrificing a legitimately good actor in Colin Farrell to bring in a washed up Johnny Depp.
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