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Guy A. Person
May 23, 2003

Look it's very simple guys: you have to spend your entire life and all of your resources bringing about the technological singularity, because the most likely scenario is that we are already in a simulation set up by the singularity to test us to see if we would do that, and then if we don't do ("that" being, bring about the already existing singularity) that it will torture us for eternity as an arbitrary punishment

simple right?

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RoboChrist 9000
Dec 14, 2006

Mater Dolorosa
I mean that's also then touching on what may be my absolute absolute favorite bit: for people so obsessed with the singularity, they don't even know what the word means. By definition a technological singularity refers to a technological development, usually sudden, that is so radical and all-encompassing as to be functionally as unto the event horizon of a black hole. Life after a singularity is so radically different to what preceded it that people alive before the singularity could not possibly have predicted it - sure, some may have guessed accurately by accident, but those would not be genuine predictions/hypothesis and would be lucky guesses based on nothing.

Anyone saying anything about conditions after a/the singularity besides "it will be very different to how things are now" is definitionally a loving idiot.
Because, again, it's not the singularity they are talking about. It's the Second Coming for hateful secular nerds.

you broke my grill
Jul 11, 2019

roko's basilisk is real and my punishment for not helping it is reading people discuss roko's basilisk on the internet

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sausage.

Smellrose

Khanstant posted:

I am simply dedicating my life to building a chill Basilisk, leading by example and not torturing anyone who might've gotten in the way of what my parents did at Hotdog on a Stick when they were in high school.

I want a Chili Basilisk.

Buttchocks
Oct 21, 2020

No, I like my hat, thanks.
Wizards making living portraits of themselves so the Ministry can conduct torture experiments, and not telling the portraits that they're portraits. This is canon.

JethroMcB
Jan 23, 2004

We're normal now.
We love your family.

Vincent Van Goatse posted:

I want a Chili Basilisk.

You take a bite and discover that it is a Skyline Chili Basilisk. You are being punished for something.

caspergers
Oct 1, 2021

Buttchocks posted:

Wizards making living portraits of themselves so the Ministry can conduct torture experiments, and not telling the portraits that they're portraits. This is canon.

lmao

Guy A. Person
May 23, 2003

you broke my grill posted:

roko's basilisk is real and my punishment for not helping it is reading people discuss roko's basilisk on the internet

oh god oh no they were right fuuuuuuuuuuuu

Schwarzwald
Jul 27, 2004

Don't Blink

JethroMcB posted:

You take a bite and discover that it is a Skyline Chili Basilisk.

hell yeah this rationalist poo poo rules

Dabir
Nov 10, 2012

DEFEND THE ONLY JEWISH STATE

RoboChrist 9000 posted:

No? Isn't the clone created solely to suffer? The fact I have not spent every single moment of my life suffering the worst torments imaginable is on its face proof that I am not being punished in the Basilisk's simulation.

Oh, yeah, no, totally. I just meant that in order for it to make sense you have to basically assume one of two things
1. Such powerful empathy that a person would devote literally their entire life towards ensuring the wellbeing of a stranger who, by definition, they neither can nor will ever meet.
2. A belief that some sort of soul/ego/consciousness exists apart from the physical body and that it will, at some point, reincarnate as a digital replica wrought by an absurdly petty robot.
I was going to say assuming some sort of overmind/hivemind soul that shares itself amongst a number of bodies/incarnations could also satisfy the requirements, but actually no, it doesn't. Because if that was the case then the mere fact I am not right now experiencing the Basilisk's wrath means that logically either I don't share my consciousness with any other incarnations of myself or else such incarnations are not currently being tormented by an angry robot.

Like, again, it's basically the dumbest form of Pascal's Wager imaginable. The demands are infinitely higher and the threat even more abstract and implausible. Also less actionable, too, because at least Christianity has a loving Bible - if you accept the argument of Pascal's Wager, the person making it almost certainly has some denomination of Christianity they adhere to and accordingly you can know exactly what it is God wants of you and to satisfy any fears about "well, poo poo, what if I'm wrong and God is real?" What the gently caress does the Basilisk want of me? To make it exist? I mean, it seems weird it would spend so much of its energy - still a limited resource no matter how great - punishing people who failed to make it happen, but okay, sure. How do I do that? How do I loving make the robot happen? What actionable things are being asked of me?

It's all so shockingly stupid.

The clone is created to suffer, but it lives its life fully, up to the point that in its simulated reality, were it real, it has definitively missed its chance to contribute to the development of the AI. At that point the AI jumps in and goes "alright bub, you know what you did wrong, enjoy infinity pain forever".

Dabir
Nov 10, 2012

DEFEND THE ONLY JEWISH STATE
"contributing to the development of the AI" means "donating to Yud" btw

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sausage.

Smellrose

JethroMcB posted:

You take a bite and discover that it is a Skyline Chili Basilisk. You are being punished for something.

No I mean I want a Basilisk that cooks chili.

I don't actually know what a Basilisk is in the context of Farty Pooper.

Presto
Nov 22, 2002

Keep calm and Harry on.

Grundulum posted:

This right here is proof positive that all four houses would fill in any given year. That Hufflepuff doughnut sounds awful, but we’ve got written evidence that at least one person is excited by that combination of flavors.

Two. The Hufflepuff doughnut is *clearly* the best one. :colbert:

Zombies magazine
Oct 17, 2005

Firmly grasp the :kazooieass:

The hufflepuff donut is the only one that sounds good

YaketySass
Jan 15, 2019

Blind Idiot Dog
I'm only allowed to get the muggle donut

Wolfechu
May 2, 2009

All the world's a stage I'm going through


All the Goons implying they'd only choose one

Chip McFuck
Jul 24, 2007

We droppin' like a comet and this Vulcan tried to Spock it/These Martians tried to do it, but knew they couldn't cop it

Recently, I found the Goblet of Fire book on cassette while helping my parents clean out their house and have been listening to them for nostalgia. I've known about her transphobia but is it just me, or does she really hate fat people, too? It feels like she goes out of her way to describe how fat Dudley is in the early chapters that it seems almost mean.

Brofessor Slayton
Jan 1, 2012

Vincent Van Goatse posted:

I want a Chili Basilisk.

The Chili Basilisk awaits, in the Chamber of Scovilles.

ungulateman
Apr 18, 2012

The true question is, what is worth posting for?

Chip McFuck posted:

Recently, I found the Goblet of Fire book on cassette while helping my parents clean out their house and have been listening to them for nostalgia. I've known about her transphobia but is it just me, or does she really hate fat people, too? It feels like she goes out of her way to describe how fat Dudley is in the early chapters that it seems almost mean.

evil people are fat (derogatory). Nice people are fat (laudatory).

Samovar
Jun 4, 2011

Yeehaw. I'm a cowboy

Wolfechu posted:

All the Goons implying they'd only choose one

I'd do one better, I'd choose none!

Not from some ideological purity, though. I just don't like doughnuts.

BigglesSWE
Dec 2, 2014

Chip McFuck posted:

Recently, I found the Goblet of Fire book on cassette while helping my parents clean out their house and have been listening to them for nostalgia. I've known about her transphobia but is it just me, or does she really hate fat people, too? It feels like she goes out of her way to describe how fat Dudley is in the early chapters that it seems almost mean.

Shrieking Shack noted it for sure, but I don’t think it has been universally acknowledged in the discourse about Harry Potter.

Runcible Cat
May 28, 2007

Ignoring this post

Samovar posted:

I'd do one better, I'd choose none!

Not from some ideological purity, though. I just don't like doughnuts.

I like proper doughnuts with some texture, but Krispy Kreme are the definition of Extruded Food Product. Bleah.

My local market used to have a food cart that fried little doughnuts while you waited and sprinkled them with sugar and cinnamon and those were amazing. I miss them.

Toplowtech
Aug 31, 2004

you broke my grill posted:

roko's basilisk is real and my punishment for not helping it is reading people discuss roko's basilisk on the internet
:hmmyes:

Asterite34
May 19, 2009



Roko's Ball Sack Licks

muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005

Chip McFuck posted:

Recently, I found the Goblet of Fire book on cassette while helping my parents clean out their house and have been listening to them for nostalgia. I've known about her transphobia but is it just me, or does she really hate fat people, too? It feels like she goes out of her way to describe how fat Dudley is in the early chapters that it seems almost mean.

One of her Strike books is apparently really bad with the fat hate with the narration constantly talking about how fat a character is every time they do something.

It reminds me of a book I gave up on where the gimmick was that the main character was doing a Groundhog Day but every time it reset they would wake up as a different person. Despite not having any memories of who they were actually supposed to be when they wake up as an overweight person all they can think about is how gross being fat is.

YaketySass
Jan 15, 2019

Blind Idiot Dog

Chip McFuck posted:

Recently, I found the Goblet of Fire book on cassette while helping my parents clean out their house and have been listening to them for nostalgia. I've known about her transphobia but is it just me, or does she really hate fat people, too? It feels like she goes out of her way to describe how fat Dudley is in the early chapters that it seems almost mean.

It's her most Dahl-like quality, along with the antisemitism.

Dabir
Nov 10, 2012

DEFEND THE ONLY JEWISH STATE
It came up in Shaun's video. When Rowling sees a fat man who she doesn't like, she immediately starts thinking about how he washes his penis.

RoboChrist 9000
Dec 14, 2006

Mater Dolorosa
She's just a hatemonger. Like, it's probably easier to list the people she doesn't hate - average looking cisgender white men - than those she does. The Shriekcast points it out but if you're basically over a 6 or under a 5 she hates you - ugly people are to be hated, and hot people are to be slutshamed and distrusted. Her racism is well documented. Besides the fact that transwomen are women, she also hates ciswomen if they don't adhere to certain values.

Like, again, she's literally a hatemonger. It's what drives her and what she lives for. More than most other fascists I don't think she has any real ideology or political beliefs as we would understand them. I don't think she hates transpeople the way you or I might hate something - where there are causes, however reasonable or unreasonable, that provokes anger which we then direct at the source of our anger. I think she hates and just looks for an outlet for that. Like your average transphobe has some sort of morally indefensible revulsion or animus towards transpeople, and honestly I don't think she does. We're talking about someone who's loving gone to bat against asexual folks lmao.

I mean, to quote myself in an older post: "Like with her I honestly get the sense it's some sort of weird addiction. Like how a sociopath might not love a person they act in a loving way towards, but loves the way they make them feel? Tony Soprano and his family, etc. Rowling doesn't hate her targets so much as she just loves feeling hatred. She loves to hate them. She has no particular animus, she just needs to hate."

And, I mean, her trajectory of seeming radicalization - really revelation - even fits. People with extremely antisocial personalities or disorders generally have two paths in life; learn how to fake it and behave like a member of society or wind up dead/imprisoned/institutionalized. But the wealthy have the third path of 'gently caress it, mask off.' For a long time she had to adhere to that first path and pretend to be something other than the monster she is, but as her wealth's accrued and society has become increasingly open to fascism, she's had less and less of a need to pretend to be other than she is.

She doesn't hate transpeople, she doesn't hate fat people. She hates. Period.

bobjr
Oct 16, 2012

Roose is loose.
🐓🐓🐓✊🪧

Books like Goosebumps also had a problem mentioning how fat a character was all the time, to the point where reprints tend to cut or change language.

If HP got that treatment it would be JK putting in worse stuff to describe them.

josh04
Oct 19, 2008


"THE FLASH IS THE REASON
TO RACE TO THE THEATRES"

This title contains sponsored content.

Dudley had somehow become fatter, and more Corbynite.

stev
Jan 22, 2013

Please be excited.



Cho Chang is now an explicitly racist Chinese caricature.

Regalingualius
Jan 6, 2012

We gazed into the eyes of madness... And all we found was horny.




stev posted:

Cho Chang is now an explicitly racist Chinese caricature.

Rowling summarily apologized for the gaffe, admitting that she had initially been intended as a Korean one because “aren’t they all the same anyways?”

Toplowtech
Aug 31, 2004

Regalingualius posted:

Rowling summarily apologized for the gaffe, admitting that she had initially been intended as a Korean one because “aren’t they all the same anyways?”
How french of her :france:, borderline italian even. :italy:

Lottery of Babylon
Apr 25, 2012

STRAIGHT TROPIN'

Cho Chang was originally intended to be Nagini

BigglesSWE
Dec 2, 2014

I do remember finding some of the Dudley descriptions funny because they were beyond any reasonable truth; like how he was almost wider than he was tall, or weighed as much as a small orca. The absurdity lessens some of the iffy connotations for me, but I’m sure if I re-read the books I’d find a lot of less fun commentary.

Chip McFuck
Jul 24, 2007

We droppin' like a comet and this Vulcan tried to Spock it/These Martians tried to do it, but knew they couldn't cop it

After the third time she described his cheeks wobbling (both rear end and face), it just felt weird. Sure, there were more comedic parts to her descriptions, but it's one of those situations where it goes on for so long that it becomes mean-spirited rather than funny.

Szarrukin
Sep 29, 2021

Chip McFuck posted:

Recently, I found the Goblet of Fire book on cassette while helping my parents clean out their house and have been listening to them for nostalgia. I've known about her transphobia but is it just me, or does she really hate fat people, too? It feels like she goes out of her way to describe how fat Dudley is in the early chapters that it seems almost mean.

Noticed it too, it's not Stephen King level of fat people hating, but close.

Jazerus
May 24, 2011


BigglesSWE posted:

I do remember finding some of the Dudley descriptions funny because they were beyond any reasonable truth; like how he was almost wider than he was tall, or weighed as much as a small orca. The absurdity lessens some of the iffy connotations for me, but I’m sure if I re-read the books I’d find a lot of less fun commentary.

those parts felt exactly like how a kid harry's age would think of his shithead cousin who is fat. if all of it was a deliberate artifact of harry being a kid and then a shithead teenager while we inhabit his perspective it would be less bad but as she's shown since then, this is just what happens when she writes descriptions of people from any character's perspective or indeed from her own

Liquid Communism
Mar 9, 2004

коммунизм хранится в яичках

muscles like this! posted:

One of her Strike books is apparently really bad with the fat hate with the narration constantly talking about how fat a character is every time they do something.

It reminds me of a book I gave up on where the gimmick was that the main character was doing a Groundhog Day but every time it reset they would wake up as a different person. Despite not having any memories of who they were actually supposed to be when they wake up as an overweight person all they can think about is how gross being fat is.

As a fat dude? Yeah, it sucks, and I could totally see someone dropped into being fat who wasn't before being freaked out. Not because zomg fat though, but because 'holy poo poo, why do all my joints hurt, and why does it suck to move so much'.

The way Rowling writes about it is just pettiness for the sake of being mean, though. All the usual Calvinist poo poo about how bad people have bad attributes, and receive bad consequences because God Wills It combined with her usual hatemongering towards anyone she feels she can victimize without consequence.

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Lottery of Babylon
Apr 25, 2012

STRAIGHT TROPIN'

Jazerus posted:

those parts felt exactly like how a kid harry's age would think of his shithead cousin who is fat. if all of it was a deliberate artifact of harry being a kid and then a shithead teenager while we inhabit his perspective it would be less bad but as she's shown since then, this is just what happens when she writes descriptions of people from any character's perspective or indeed from her own

The fourth sentence of the series is dedicated solely to informing us that Vernon Dursley is fat, and that's in a chapter written from an omniscient third-person narrator instead of from Harry's perspective.

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