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Lead out in cuffs
Sep 18, 2012

"That's right. We've evolved."

"I can see that. Cool mutations."



It's also worth noting that the episodes which go deep into the African American experience were directed by Brooks.

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Slamhound
Mar 27, 2010


In addition to Sisko being a good dad, he also had a good dad in Brock Peters. One of the things I really liked about DS9, even at the time, was how the central family was patrilineal without being patriarchal.

Schadenboner
Aug 15, 2011
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The one where Jake squanders a whole life to find a way to bring back he dad was real .

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008








Schadenboner posted:

The one where Jake squanders a whole life to find a way to bring back he dad was real .

That one has me bawling every time no joke I ain't ashamed to admit

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Aug 15, 2011
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I dunno, not to get all but watching DS9 as an literal father has made me like about the proper way to raise an literal childe and poo poo?

mysterious frankie
Jan 11, 2009

This displeases Dev- ..van. Shut up.


Woebin posted:

It's been too long since I properly watched DS9, but I remember thinking that Sisko was a great dad.

Ben was a great dad and was even going to quit Starfleet entirely to focus on his son before he ran into the prophets. I didnít mean to say I thought the child abuse aspect of Jack Torrence is what reminded me of him; itís more Jack Nicholsonís intense, almost slapstick, energy that Brooks echos in Sisko and the situation theyíre put in (spooky higher powers deciding theyíre gonna manage a crumbling structure in the middle of nowhere).

E: Ben not Jake.

mysterious frankie fucked around with this message at 21:57 on Jul 24, 2020

Verviticus
Mar 13, 2006

Security? Please escort the fan in section 106, row 16, seat 1 out of the building right now and bar him from coming here again!




rewatched siege of ar-558 and man i cannot state how much it does not feel like a star trek episode and its so good anyways. one of a few eps that buck the trend of 'more combat worse ep'

edit: also one of the few eps where i actually notice and appreciate the music for doing something positive in the show

Aglet56
Sep 1, 2011


what about worf's parenting

Verviticus
Mar 13, 2006

Security? Please escort the fan in section 106, row 16, seat 1 out of the building right now and bar him from coming here again!




worf fails at everything

Angepain
Jul 13, 2012

what keeps happening to my clothes


Verviticus posted:

worf fails at everything

Except in this episode


Where it turns out he's the only person other than Miles who can get the baby to be quiet

Woebin
Feb 6, 2006





Angepain posted:

Except in this episode


Where it turns out he's the only person other than Miles who can get the baby to be quiet
Worf's a poo poo dad but would probably be a pretty cool uncle.

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Aug 15, 2011
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If Jake hosed alt-universe Jennifer Sisko is that still, like, bad?

My gut feeling would be "yes" (they still share DNA and genes or whatever, right?) but he sure seems to wanna?



E: Although watching the cast get to Community Theater themselves up different roles every few episodes is always .

Schadenboner fucked around with this message at 15:01 on Jul 26, 2020

mysterious frankie
Jan 11, 2009

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Woebin posted:

Worf's a poo poo dad but would probably be a pretty cool uncle.

Worf seems like a lonely workmate your mom invites to holidays and has everyone call uncle. And he has maybe the coolest finished basement.

WORF: this is my batíleth. It was passed down through my family for generations and is one of the few things my ex wife didnít get in the settlement.
ME: wow.
WORF: this is a Targ skin. I acquired it after the divorce, so my ex wife canít steal from me.
ME: neat
WORF: like she did 15 years of my life
ME: oh
WORF: and this is my train set. I named the mountain town Allman Brothers Town. I named it after the Allman Brothers Band. The Gagh they serve there is very flavorful.
ME: wow
WORF: would you like to play computer games now?
ME: do you have Duke Nukem 3D?
WORF: I have all the computer games.
ME: ...I used to want to be an archeologist when I grow up, but now I want to be you.

Aglet56
Sep 1, 2011


I'm watching the episode where Sisko and OíBrien visit this primitivist planet where this white woman rules a cult-like environment and it's so good, just the kind of great one-off episode that early ds9 could pull off without too much trouble

I'm hardly the first to say it but the racial themes for the writing for Sisko has the potential to be really bad but they usually pull it off imo. The Gabriel bell episode is another episode where racial conflict is clearly central but it isn't explicitly commented on

Edit: as ghost leviathan mentioned earlier

Aglet56 fucked around with this message at 06:42 on Jul 27, 2020

Verviticus
Mar 13, 2006

Security? Please escort the fan in section 106, row 16, seat 1 out of the building right now and bar him from coming here again!




avery brooks probably contributed a lot to that

Anonymous Zebra
Oct 21, 2005
Blending in like it ain't no thang

The Gabriel Bell episode, wherein the death of a black man as a result of an overzealous police state leads to massive societal unrest, and an overhaul of the early 21st century USA is one of the most prophetic episodes of Star Trek ever aired and it's almost unpleasant to rewatch it because of how close to home it lands.

Edit: For fucks sake, the episode even makes a point that the rioters are able to explain their story via a hijacked media so that the typical American is unable to ignore the injustice.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised




The welfare offices with mandatory meetings to supposedly look for work with zero success are already way too familiar.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised




On a lighter note: Nog's send-off party with him auctioning off his childhood belongings is played like just another cynical Ferengi thing, but looking at things like Asian weddings and graduation parties, it strikes me like a lot of rituals being a socially acceptable way to give a young person money to launch their life without it appearing as charity. Not like most of his material goods are going to be worth much, especially with replicators being a thing.

Pick
Jul 19, 2009



Nap Ghost

Ghost Leviathan posted:

On a lighter note: Nog's send-off party with him auctioning off his childhood belongings is played like just another cynical Ferengi thing, but looking at things like Asian weddings and graduation parties, it strikes me like a lot of rituals being a socially acceptable way to give a young person money to launch their life without it appearing as charity. Not like most of his material goods are going to be worth much, especially with replicators being a thing.

jadzia openly buys bashir some of nog's crusty old porn because she is a great friend

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008








Who wouldn't want to own a copy of A Visit with the Pleasure Goddess of Rixx

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008








Yeah I had to look that up

Schadenboner
Aug 15, 2011
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spankmeister posted:

Yeah I had to look that up

Username/post disagreement.

Peachfart
Jan 21, 2017



Ghost Leviathan posted:

On a lighter note: Nog's send-off party with him auctioning off his childhood belongings is played like just another cynical Ferengi thing, but looking at things like Asian weddings and graduation parties, it strikes me like a lot of rituals being a socially acceptable way to give a young person money to launch their life without it appearing as charity. Not like most of his material goods are going to be worth much, especially with replicators being a thing.

Agreed, I always liked this scene and thought it really helped make the Ferengi feel more realistic. And the part with Worf and the tooth grinder is awesome.

Pick
Jul 19, 2009



Nap Ghost

Verviticus
Mar 13, 2006

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siskos a war criminal we all know that but. uh.. does he make it look cool

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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The answer to 'does Sisko make x look cool' is always 'yes'

AlternateNu
May 5, 2005

"すやぁ~じゃなくて!"



Ghost Leviathan posted:

The answer to 'does Sisko make x look cool' is always 'yes'

Except for religion.

Sanguinia
Jan 1, 2012

#RXT REVOLUTION~!
2000





AlternateNu posted:

Except for religion.

That's what he has Kira for.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised




Sisko's in a weird position there since a guy who actually talks to gods probably has a hard time being faithful, that's like believing in the postman.

Baudolino
Apr 1, 2010

THUNDERDOME LOSER

If we see Bajor again in new trek media i hope it`s still a independent world and gripped with intense Sisko worship obsessed with guessing the day of his return. The traditonal faith focused on the prophets have been almost completely abanoned. No one cares about the Vedeks anymore, now it`s all about the emissary`s deacons who have built up a parallell organization.

mysterious frankie
Jan 11, 2009

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Baudolino posted:

If we see Bajor again in new trek media i hope it`s still a independent world and gripped with intense Sisko worship obsessed with guessing the day of his return. The traditonal faith focused on the prophets have been almost completely abanoned. No one cares about the Vedeks anymore, now it`s all about the emissary`s deacons who have built up a parallell organization.

Sectarian violence over whether Sisko wants you to eat jambalaya, gumbo or a baseball on his holy days.

Elmnt80
Dec 30, 2012

OH NOOOO!





Gonna start a radical sect founded on eating beets.

Also, the garak/ziyal relationship they tried to shoehorn in was really kinda weird and creepy. He's supposed to be some late 30s or older guy and is she even 18 in the show? Outside of that I like to think that garak helped rebuild cardassia and lived happily ever after and refuse to hear anything to the contrary.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised




Seems like it's only a recent thing that writers wouldn't make huge age gap relationships between older men and younger women almost a complete given. At least iirc Garak rebuffs her- I think the main thing is that they're the only two Cardassians on DS9 at that point, and so Garak's basically the only person Ziyal can talk to without reservations, and she's lived most of her life as a refugee or slave so her ideas of relationships are probably pretty messed up.

Angepain
Jul 13, 2012

what keeps happening to my clothes


Elmnt80 posted:

Also, the garak/ziyal relationship they tried to shoehorn in was really kinda weird and creepy. He's supposed to be some late 30s or older guy and is she even 18 in the show?

I checked Memory Alpha and she was about 19 when she came to ds9 so it's fine! Totally fine! I keep a piece of paper with the cardassian age of consent law in my pocket at all times. At least he didn't end up with Bashir! Two men! Imagine it - or don't ahahaha. Men. This post brought to you by rick berman

Woebin
Feb 6, 2006





Angepain posted:

I checked Memory Alpha and she was about 19 when she came to ds9 so it's fine! Totally fine! I keep a piece of paper with the cardassian age of consent law in my pocket at all times. At least he didn't end up with Bashir! Two men! Imagine it - or don't ahahaha. Men. This post brought to you by rick berman

Sanguinia
Jan 1, 2012

#RXT REVOLUTION~!
2000





I thought it was OK as a one-sided thing. Younger people being enamored with older people isn't exactly a rarity in real life, and Garrak generally handled it better than most TV characters in the 90s would have, ie by NOT encouraging her or reciprocating her feelings. Even after she died his thought was to wonder WHY she loved him rather than to reciprocate. He did have that line about how being around her made his crappy life not feel so bad, but you don't HAVE to interpret that in romantic terms.

Baudolino
Apr 1, 2010

THUNDERDOME LOSER

Garak and Kira really were incredibly professional when dealing with Damar.

Pick
Jul 19, 2009



Nap Ghost

Sanguinia posted:

I thought it was OK as a one-sided thing. Younger people being enamored with older people isn't exactly a rarity in real life, and Garrak generally handled it better than most TV characters in the 90s would have, ie by NOT encouraging her or reciprocating her feelings. Even after she died his thought was to wonder WHY she loved him rather than to reciprocate. He did have that line about how being around her made his crappy life not feel so bad, but you don't HAVE to interpret that in romantic terms.

Particularly because I don't think it's entirely crazy to want to have some interaction with the only other member of your species (1/2) who isn't actively hostile to you. They make a point that Cardassians are vain and xenophobic so exile probably super-sucks on those grounds. She's got a crush on him and yeah, so what? He doesn't reciprocate. It's still handled badly on the show, and it could've been handled better, but I don't think it really changes anything.

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

This is a silly post with little news value.



really we should be more worried about the rest of the cast who didn't have a crush on Garak 😍
what's wrong with them?

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Schadenboner
Aug 15, 2011
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Cerv posted:

really we should be more worried about the rest of the cast who didn't have a crush on Garak 😍
what's wrong with them?

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