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Empress Brosephine
Mar 31, 2012


Winner of the "Poor Games Poster" avatar.

I can post if you want, I'll start with the next episode but as a recap up to now which is episode 12 season 1:

I think Girabaldi is my favorite character and then the two senators I forgot their names. episode 12 where Girabaldi gets drunk again was fantastic imho, but maybe a bit too early in the show. other than that though I don't really see too many hanging threads other than the relationship between sinclair and the senate.

that said this show is great

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Empress Brosephine
Mar 31, 2012


Winner of the "Poor Games Poster" avatar.

Oh and my gf is out of town for a while so I'm watching a episode a day now

Empress Brosephine
Mar 31, 2012


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Oh is it best to follow this order?

http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/countries/master/eplist.html

I ask because HBO lists Signs and Portents after Survivors instead of By Any Means Neccesary

ultrafilter
Aug 23, 2007






Earlier in the thread there's a recommended order for season 1. It doesn't really matter whether you watch that or follow the list on the Lurker's Guide.

CaptainPsyko
May 2, 2004

We're Gonna Run.

We're Gonna Crawl.

Kick Down Every Wall.


Empress Brosephine posted:

Oh is it best to follow this order?

http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/countries/master/eplist.html

I ask because HBO lists Signs and Portents after Survivors instead of By Any Means Neccesary

Just watch them in airdate order; the fiddling of a list like that is 99% pointless. Your only 'watch order' considerations as a new viewer should be when/if to insert the movies, and the basic answer to that is:

The Gathering first before s1e1

In The Beginning/Thirdspace: Mid/post season 4. (Thirdspace nominally takes place mid season 4, but is unrelated to the events therein, so anytime after 'when it happens' is fine. In the Beginning is a 'prequel'/catchup movie for new viewers coming in to the show late, but will spoil a ton of the first few seasons if watched prior to Mid S4 (post e9 is the typical time if you want to insert both of them, but honestly, after finishing the season is also fine and good, for aforementioned reasons. Neither has any impact on ongoing plot lines, even if viewing them depends on information up to a certain point).

Then, the other movies fall into "Do you really want to do this to yourself?" after finishing season 5. They were all failed attempts at pilots for spinoffs that never took flight (or, in one case, managed to get airborne just long enough to crash horribly with a midseason cancellation).

Empress Brosephine
Mar 31, 2012


Winner of the "Poor Games Poster" avatar.

Okie dokie thanks.

CaptainPsyko
May 2, 2004

We're Gonna Run.

We're Gonna Crawl.

Kick Down Every Wall.


Also, if you're truly a masochist and watch the failed launch that is Crusade, yeah, look up an episode order because the network hosed it all to hell, but also, you're literally watching an unfinished half season of a tv show, so....

Empress Brosephine
Mar 31, 2012


Winner of the "Poor Games Poster" avatar.

Where can I find the original air order? I read a few things saying that the order on HBO Max is really wacked

ultrafilter
Aug 23, 2007






The series is on Amazon prime and they list the episodes in the original air order.

There are switches you should make in season two and season five, but you can worry about those later.

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007





Empress Brosephine posted:

Where can I find the original air order? I read a few things saying that the order on HBO Max is really wacked

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Babylon_5_episodes

CaptainPsyko
May 2, 2004

We're Gonna Run.

We're Gonna Crawl.

Kick Down Every Wall.


ultrafilter posted:

The series is on Amazon prime and they list the episodes in the original air order.

There are switches you should make in season two and season five, but you can worry about those later.

A quick google indicates that HBO Max has done some fuckery https://b5remasterissues.wordpress.com/the-ugly/episode-order-changes/


I don't think any of the changes HBO did are going to matter much either; a casual new viewer is mostly just fine letting the streaming service do it's thing here, I suspect. Just be aware that episode numbering will not be a helpful way to know where your signposts are for trying to discuss things; stick to titles. (For seasons 1/2)

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."


I have watched War Without End part 2, I just havenít written about it yet. Itís good.

Doctor Zero
Sep 21, 2002

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It's been in my pocket through 4 regenerations,
but it's still good.

ultrafilter posted:

Earlier in the thread there's a recommended order for season 1. It doesn't really matter whether you watch that or follow the list on the Lurker's Guide.

The Lurkers Guide is chock full of spoilers. Donít go there until you are done. You might click something and then BAM spoilers in your face.

ultrafilter
Aug 23, 2007






As long as you don't read the pages for episodes you haven't watched, the Lurker's Guide has no spoilers. It was a site that was developed in the 90s by fans who were watching the show. It contains their analysis of the plot/characters/etc. and a list of unanswered questions from each episode, but none of that was written by people who knew anything past the most recently aired episode. Of course it's your call as to whether you want to consume that sort of material during a first watch, but it's not something you absolutely have to avoid.

Narzack
Sep 15, 2008


I finished season 3, when I get home I'll post what i have written. Been kinda wary to check this thread since goons are really, really bad about spoilers.

adhuin
Sep 15, 2008

Take over the World!



ultrafilter posted:

As long as you don't read the pages for episodes you haven't watched, the Lurker's Guide has no spoilers. It was a site that was developed in the 90s by fans who were watching the show. It contains their analysis of the plot/characters/etc. and a list of unanswered questions from each episode, but none of that was written by people who knew anything past the most recently aired episode. Of course it's your call as to whether you want to consume that sort of material during a first watch, but it's not something you absolutely have to avoid.



I followed the Lurkerís guide back in the 90:s, when the show was on Finnish tv. We were 2-3 season behind the American tv, but I never felt, that I was spoiled by the guide. Itís a good source for B5 trivia and spoiler free speculation.

Sweevo
Nov 8, 2007




ultrafilter posted:

As long as you don't read the pages for episodes you haven't watched, the Lurker's Guide has no spoilers.

Eh, yes and no. I think it's worth a read (either after you've watched the entire show, or maybe between series), but I wouldn't read it after each episode. You're right that there are no outright "this is what happens..." type spoilers, but some of the comments/speculation hit a bit too close to home, and maybe because the site is curated/compiled after the fact some of those comments stand out more than they should because a lot of the wilder and incorrect speculation has been edited out. Also JMS was quite active in the community and occasionally dropped hints like "maybe pay attention to X <wink>" which aren't literal spoilers, but get very close to the line sometimes.

Sweevo fucked around with this message at 18:34 on Apr 18, 2021

CainFortea
Oct 15, 2004





Yea, the Lurker's Guide is the same kind of "no spoilers" that this thread has been sometimes by people thinking they're being cute when in fact they're just being assholes.

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


Narzack posted:

I finished season 3, when I get home I'll post what i have written. Been kinda wary to check this thread since goons are really, really bad about spoilers.

This thread really is the exception to that lol

Please do post though, there is a peanut gallery of goons waiting with bated breath for your impressions

Empress Brosephine
Mar 31, 2012


Winner of the "Poor Games Poster" avatar.

S1 e 14(?) Signs and Portents

this seems to be the first episode that's setting up major plot points in the future whether it be the station blowing up or the shadow man. excellent episode though I think. I like how in this show things that are supposed to work out do work out and not too many things seem to have random plot twists...but I'm sure that changes.

s2 e1 spoiler
also I'm mad at myself I accidentally read the season 2 episode 1 description and now I know b5 has a new leader 😓😓 granted I don't know why or what happens. I know literally 0 about the plot of this show other than that now

CaptainPsyko
May 2, 2004

We're Gonna Run.

We're Gonna Crawl.

Kick Down Every Wall.


Empress Brosephine posted:


s2 e1 spoiler
also I'm mad at myself I accidentally read the season 2 episode 1 description and now I know b5 has a new leader 😓😓 granted I don't know why or what happens. I know literally 0 about the plot of this show other than that now

I mean, I guess it ends up being a spoiler, but yeah, there were several significant cast changes over the shows run for various reasons and the show was, in all honesty, pretty remarkably good at rolling with those punches for the most part. The first big one, as noted, is that the series gets a new leading man after season 1.

Somebody fucked around with this message at 23:21 on Apr 18, 2021

Empress Brosephine
Mar 31, 2012


Winner of the "Poor Games Poster" avatar.

S1 e15(?) Grail

EB FARNUM yay 😁


traditional alien 👽


The bong water vase was amazing. So was kung fu pastor.


I hope Thomas I'd a recurring character though he was cool.

This episode was cool, maybe not the best, but enjoyable.

It seemed a bit excessive the violence they used against the creature I guess. It's weird how there are races that are treated like creatures even though they can talk and interact. I wonder if that will come up again.

ozmunkeh
Feb 28, 2008

hey guys what is happening in this thread



Donít do this.

Empress Brosephine
Mar 31, 2012


Winner of the "Poor Games Poster" avatar.

CaptainPsyko posted:

I mean, I guess it ends up being a spoiler, but yeah, there were several significant cast changes over the shows run for various reasons and the show was, in all honesty, pretty remarkably good at rolling with those punches for the most part. The first big one, as noted, is that the series gets a new leading man after season 1.

I had no idea, kinda a bummer cuz sinclair is probably my favorite character. 😓

Somebody fucked around with this message at 23:22 on Apr 18, 2021

Empress Brosephine
Mar 31, 2012


Winner of the "Poor Games Poster" avatar.

S1 Eyes & A Voice in the Wilderness pt 1

i guess it's a good sign when each new episode is my new favorite. I loved Eyes. It seemed a little bit silly overall and over acted by the colonel but still enjoyable. The motorcycle scenes were real cute. Also apparently Winters may be a bad guy?

Voice in the wilderness:

Why would they send the two most important people into a unknown cavern???

This was a okay episode, I don't really have too many thoughts on it other than it's cool to see a future species.

The hokey pokey scene though rules.

ikanreed
Sep 25, 2009

Rise and shine, master leprechaun.





Empress Brosephine posted:


Why would they send the two most important people into a unknown cavern???



Because star trek set the rules on how sci fi away teams work.

Hell, even halo, an entirely military themed franchise, had capital ship captains go get themselves captured by going on stupid away missions they weren't qualified for on multiple occasions.


Spoilered because thread is strict, but I think there's nothing plot relevant in my post.

Empress Brosephine
Mar 31, 2012


Winner of the "Poor Games Poster" avatar.

I don't really remember but was battlestar galactica the first show to not do that unless absolutely Neccesary?

ultrafilter
Aug 23, 2007






Empress Brosephine posted:

S1 Eyes & A Voice in the Wilderness pt 1

Why would they send the two most important people into a unknown cavern???


In-universe, it's because first contact scenarios require command staff. That was mentioned at the beginning of "Soul Hunter", but it was a blink-and-you'll-miss-it line.

Out-of-universe, it's a mix of genre conventions and the realities of making TV shows.

jng2058
Jul 17, 2010

We have the tools, we have the talent!



Empress Brosephine posted:

I don't really remember but was battlestar galactica the first show to not do that unless absolutely Neccesary?

Actually the original '79 Galactica was really good about that. Adama almost never left the ship in that version of the show. 2004 Galactica had Adama wandering off in an abandoned space station by himself in the pilot.

Empress Brosephine
Mar 31, 2012


Winner of the "Poor Games Poster" avatar.

It's been so long I forgot about the bsg pilot lol.

S1 another voice in the wilderness part 2

so Girabaldi is the mars secret agent? that's my theory as of this episode.

Earth is getting mad at sinclair it appears, as earth turns into the big bad guys?

I don't really have much thoughts other than I enjoyed this episode.

Poor Girabaldi

Empress Brosephine
Mar 31, 2012


Winner of the "Poor Games Poster" avatar.

S1 babylon squared

gently caress yeah ghost ships

Holy poo poo that was a great plot twist. And a great episode.

So in twenty years another huge war happens?

Sweet episode setting up alot sounds f stuff. Still don't really know what to expect.

robziel
May 31, 2011

>10 THRUST "ROBO_COX"
>20 GOTO 10

I have always really liked the space suit design in that episode.

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."


robziel posted:

I have always really liked the space suit design in that episode.

Itís a replica of the suit from 2001: A Space Odyssey!

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

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robziel posted:

I have always really liked the space suit design in that episode.

You should - they're the suits worn by Frank Poole and Dave Bowman in 2001: A Space Odyssey. Replicas were made for the 1985 sequel, and it's those that were used on B5.

Empress Brosephine
Mar 31, 2012


Winner of the "Poor Games Poster" avatar.

I didn't know Michael ohare and like half the cast passed away. Michaels story was sad 😓. I didn't look too much more as I didn't want to run into spoilers.

robziel
May 31, 2011

>10 THRUST "ROBO_COX"
>20 GOTO 10

quote:

2001

Dang it, I know it looked familiar but never put that together.

Empress Brosephine
Mar 31, 2012


Winner of the "Poor Games Poster" avatar.

I watched TKO but I was stoned out of my mind so I don't remember anything other than I liked it.

I did watch quality of mercy also

it was ok. the strip club and casino were awesome but the rest was meh, except it was interesting to know that they can wipe minds and reprogram people. I'm sure that'll come back into play.

Empress Brosephine
Mar 31, 2012


Winner of the "Poor Games Poster" avatar.

S01 Legacies

that was interesting. it's interesting that psychics are super powerful and reverted in this world.


One thing that was odd was it seemed like this episode everyone was in different make up and hair styling?

Also I like the set up for crystalis.


Sorry these aren't super theory heavy, I just don't watch TV that way.

Goblin Craft
Feb 12, 2002



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Empress Brosephine
Mar 31, 2012


Winner of the "Poor Games Poster" avatar.

S01 crystalis

oh so that's what that word means


I was expecting some kind of send off for sinclair, did they not know at the time he was bailing? Maybe it happens in season 2.


That was a good episode and lots of stuff happened, plus the feeling of dread. My guess is that the vorlons are a higher evolved form of the mumbaris? I dunno, whatever delen saw made her do the formation I think. Still no idea who Morton or his invisible friends are but it's a cool subplot. And I'm guessing Mars colony planned the execution of the president

I'm going to watch s2 e1 now I think.

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