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Alright, I've got an early morning tomorrow, so just one episode for tonight. And goddamn, what a great start to the season. s04e01 – The Hour of the Wolf
Anyways, gently caress yes, I'm so hyped for where this season is headed. I can also tell already that I'm definitely going to want to do a re-watch soon.
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# ? Mar 28, 2024 12:36 |
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For movies: In the Beginning was a prequel designed to help get new viewers up to speed, because the show changed networks between Season 4 and Season 5. As I understand it, the way the new network aired things was: In the Beginning, The Gathering, and then just a marathon of Seasons 1 through 4, before starting to show Season 5 weekly. It's well-designed for that purpose. I'd watch it between Season 4 and Season 5. (That's where I watch it when going through the series.) Sometimes people suggest watching it first, before the whole show, because it was made to hook people, but it also massively spoils things because it was made on the understanding that those people would be watching Season 5 in a few weeks. Thirdspace was aired between S5E17 and S5E18, but technically takes place during Season 4. But here's why: they just got all the actors who were available to do a TV movie, and then figured out "when were all these characters actually on the station at the same time?" and it turns out that's somewhere in the first half of Season 4. It doesn't fit into the S4 story at all. I'd watch it either when it aired in S5, or just after Season 5 if you want some more Babylon 5 in your life. The River of Souls apparently aired just before the end of S5. (Thirdspace aired in July 1998 during a hiatus; River of Souls was in November, right in the middle of the show's last five episodes. Weird.) I always think of it as taking place after the show is over, and wouldn't put off finishing Season 5 to watch River of Souls. I remember kind of liking the movie. It has Martin Sheen! A Call to Arms is the pilot for Crusade. Watch it if you're interested in Crusade. Also, if you're interested in Crusade, look up something about episode order. There was significant meddling in the structure of Crusade, and the best way to watch the episodes is not the order in which the network broadcast them. The Legend of the Rangers was meant to be a pilot for a new show. I have never in my life been drunk enough to watch The Legend of the Rangers.
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# ? Dec 15, 2021 12:50 |
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discoukulele posted:
Stephen Furst was basically told that if he didn't lose a lot of weight in very short order that he was going to die in the very near future. Fortunately he was able to pull it together and not die.
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# ? Dec 15, 2021 15:11 |
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Stopped the clock for a while at least.
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# ? Dec 15, 2021 20:12 |
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I thought what I said was fine but I'll happily amend.
Vitruvian Manic fucked around with this message at 07:08 on Dec 16, 2021 |
# ? Dec 16, 2021 00:36 |
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Spoiler thread, Vitruvian Manic
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# ? Dec 16, 2021 01:00 |
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s04e02 – Whatever Happened To Mr. Garibaldi? 🤔
s04e03 – The Summoning
feels like this season is escalating very quickly! There hasn't really been any down time so far. discoukulele fucked around with this message at 05:17 on Dec 16, 2021 |
# ? Dec 16, 2021 05:10 |
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[Redacted pending review.] VVV Uh, fair. I'm unsure where to consider The Line to be and may have stepped over The Line. My apologies. Vavrek fucked around with this message at 07:06 on Dec 16, 2021 |
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Vavrek posted:I'm not sure where/when all the details about his character and backstory that I'm thinking of come out. I think you've seen them all, but I'm not sure. I think there's a decent amount to the character, but it's all in a handful of little details and sketching together what picture that implies. Sheridan's character and past (for example), get a lot of exploration that give you a sense of who he is and where he comes from that, with Marcus, shows up only in a handful of passing lines of dialogue. Even with spoiler blocks, this is not the thread for talking about what's coming up.
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# ? Dec 16, 2021 06:48 |
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Vavrek posted:[Redacted pending review.] A large battle was fought over that but it ended abruptly.
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# ? Dec 16, 2021 08:14 |
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There is a spoiler block in your mind
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# ? Dec 16, 2021 08:36 |
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s04e04 – Falling Towards Apotheosis
s04e05 – The Long Night
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# ? Dec 18, 2021 23:03 |
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discoukulele posted:s04e04 – Falling Towards Apotheosis It takes effort to do that, he was kinda busy. The glowy squid thing is what Vorlons actually look like.
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# ? Dec 18, 2021 23:12 |
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discoukulele posted:s04e05 – The Long Night That's Bryan Cranston in one of his early TV roles.
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# ? Dec 18, 2021 23:17 |
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Grand Fromage posted:You might want to be bonus high for Legend of the Rangers.
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# ? Dec 18, 2021 23:52 |
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Hello again folks! After a hiatus of a month or so (the one I'm doing the watch-through with was out of town for a few weeks), I'm finally back and resuming season 1. Except instead of picking up right where we left off (we've seen up through Believers), we took this opportunity to go back to the very beginning and watch the original pilot, The Gathering! My main reaction: it wasn't nearly as bad as I'd been led to believe, but the actual series is a big step up from this in a lot of ways. The cast changes were, I think, for the best. The costuming, hair, and even the alien makeup were all noticeably improved after the pilot. But this was a perfectly serviceable story that would have been a decent introduction to the B5 world if it had been what I'd seen first. I have only one question that's specific enough to spoiler-tag, and I admit it's nitpicky as hell: How exactly did that nicotine patch get the poison to Kosh's body? Isn't his suit a full environmental isolation thing, basically a spacesuit?
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# ? Dec 20, 2021 05:49 |
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Powered Descent posted:
Non-spoiler answer but since this is the newbie thread, click at your own risk: https://youtu.be/4Ugebzq3juE
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# ? Dec 20, 2021 07:05 |
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I wish I could forget this happened. But it keeps me humble and reminds me that there are things about B5 that are loving terrible.
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# ? Dec 20, 2021 20:38 |
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Powered Descent posted:I have only one question that's specific enough to spoiler-tag, and I admit it's nitpicky as hell: How exactly did that nicotine patch get the poison to Kosh's body? Isn't his suit a full environmental isolation thing, basically a spacesuit? They do sort of explain indirectly. I guess the relevant data is in season 2. The vorlons have organic living technology, which you can kind of see just from their aesthetic.
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# ? Dec 20, 2021 21:13 |
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I lol every time.
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# ? Dec 20, 2021 22:55 |
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I haven’t seen that lotr sequence since it came out. Incredibly it’s actually much worse than I remember.
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# ? Dec 21, 2021 01:43 |
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For all Babylon 5's strengths in its writing and performances, it's good to remember sometimes that it also had some extreme FMV game energy, even in the later spinoffs
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# ? Dec 21, 2021 02:59 |
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s04e06 – Into the Fire
s04e07 - Epiphanies
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# ? Dec 21, 2021 03:01 |
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Resuming where we left off in season 1. s01e12* - Survivors - AKA The one where Garibaldi is accused of sabotage. *Note that from this point, I'm using HBO Max viewing order and episode numbering.
Not a great episode, but a pretty decent one.
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# ? Dec 22, 2021 06:17 |
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Powered Descent posted:
Yeah, it's a lot bigger. DS9 is about a kilometer in diameter, B5 is eight kilometers long and a bit over 400 meters in diameter.
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# ? Dec 22, 2021 06:28 |
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Grand Fromage posted:Yeah, it's a lot bigger. DS9 is about a kilometer in diameter, B5 is eight kilometers long and a bit over 400 meters in diameter. Googled it, and you're not kidding, there's a big difference there.
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# ? Dec 22, 2021 06:57 |
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^ Also, DS9 is all about promenade (the ring itself that appears to be what, ~500m dia tops?) whereas B5 entire inside surface appear to be inhabited, that is apparent from a few shots.
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# ? Dec 22, 2021 14:29 |
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Erulisse posted:^ Also, DS9 is all about promenade (the ring itself that appears to be what, ~500m dia tops?) whereas B5 entire inside surface appear to be inhabited, that is apparent from a few shots. DS9 is the size of a suburb. B5 is the size of a city.
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# ? Dec 22, 2021 15:08 |
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Not really spoilers to talk about the size of the station, it's said to be five miles long in the opening credits. Also has about a quarter million inhabitants whereas DS9 is a few thousand iirc.
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# ? Dec 22, 2021 15:08 |
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DS9 is an office building with a barracks, a commissary and some basic recreational facilities. B5 is an actual city in space.
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# ? Dec 22, 2021 17:02 |
Chevy Slyme posted:
Ruled by a military dictatorship.
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# ? Dec 22, 2021 18:50 |
A benevolent, enlightened military lord of the rings dictatorship. I wonder what the actual demographic makeup of those living on the inside of the tube are. Mostly landowning earthlings? It's clear there's a significant non-human population beyond diplomats, traders, and associated staff, but why would they live in the space Green Zone?
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# ? Dec 22, 2021 19:14 |
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Alhazred posted:Ruled by a military dictatorship. A space station is like the perfect example of a hydraulic despotism so really it's a highly realistic space show.
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# ? Dec 22, 2021 19:24 |
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I think at least a couple of the effects guys have said that the CGI is scaled on the assumption that just the habitable cylinder is five miles long, so the whole thing (from reactor stem to cargo pylons) is even bigger if you go by what they say.Rudeboy Detective posted:A benevolent, enlightened military lord of the rings dictatorship. I think a good chunk of the interior is supposed to be agriculture, with some parks, and the occasional high-end restaurant. Don't get too hung up on where exactly the Green/Red/Brown/Gray sectors are located; yes, there are occasional graphics both in and out of the show, and I'm sure JMS would swear up and down it always made perfect sense, but I don't think the show is entirely consistent about how exactly they're arranged.
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# ? Dec 23, 2021 02:10 |
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s04e08 – The Illusion of Truth
s04e09 - Atonement
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# ? Dec 23, 2021 02:43 |
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s01e13 - Signs and Portents
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# ? Dec 23, 2021 04:24 |
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:I think at least a couple of the effects guys have said that the CGI is scaled on the assumption that just the habitable cylinder is five miles long, so the whole thing (from reactor stem to cargo pylons) is even bigger if you go by what they say. Irrespective of the canon technical manual garbage, B5 goes out of their way to make the station feel huge. DS9 as a suburb and B5 as a city is very real. And, much like real life, the suburb had more money but did so much less with it.
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# ? Dec 23, 2021 05:17 |
Rudeboy Detective posted:A benevolent, enlightened military lord of the rings dictatorship. Unless Ivanova is in charge
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# ? Dec 23, 2021 11:52 |
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Don't get too hung up on where exactly the Green/Red/Brown/Gray sectors are located; yes, there are occasional graphics both in and out of the show, and I'm sure JMS would swear up and down it always made perfect sense, but I don't think the show is entirely consistent about how exactly they're arranged. I think he's pretty much said that things are wherever the plot requires them to be.
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# ? Dec 23, 2021 12:07 |
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"Just about everyone who lives here works here: the dockers, the shop owners, environmental specialists, that sort of thing. The rest are just short term visitors, businessmen..." The population is mostly transient, Ivanova's examples of typical residents doesn't sound like it could make up an appreciable portion of a quarter million people. I think most of the aliens who live there do it for the reasons anyone migrates, to find work or escape home - it's easy to find passage there and it has open migration which seems rare in the setting. It's almost the only place to go, so it just collects everyone. There's a bunch of Minbari in the dockers guild, maybe they prefer loading ships to being a harmonious peasant, or they want to live outside of their caste prescriptions.
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