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Nckdictator
Sep 8, 2006
Just..someone

That time Lucasfilm almost published a crossover between Star Wars, American Graffiti, and THX-1138 blended into the book of Exodus.

https://www.sfwriter.com/alienout.htm

That time Harlan Ellison was fired from Disney in just a few hours.

http://harlanellison.com/iwrite/mostimp.htm

That time Sliders fired its female lead because they wanted “someone hotter” and had her character stuck in an alien rape camp.

Nckdictator fucked around with this message at 16:58 on Aug 11, 2020

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David D. Davidson
Nov 17, 2012

Orca lady?

The Star Wars Christmas Special

Badactura
Feb 14, 2019


I'd include that Harlan Ellison story about sex you linked

blatman
May 9, 2009

14 inc dont mez



Nckdictator posted:

That time Sliders fired its female lead because they wanted “someone hotter” and had her character stuck in an alien rape camp.

sliders did a lot of exceptionally lovely things, like when they had to get rid of the round professor guy their send-off for his character was to make him stupid as hell and then kill him horribly like ten minutes later

at one point in season 1 or 2 they actually made it back to the main universe but the main dudes universe-test was to check the noise the gate on his front lawn made when he opened it and it doesn't creak so they gently caress off back into the multiverse, then I poo poo you not 10 seconds later some guy comes out of his house and is like "hey btw I fixed your gate"

I find that campy garbage show charming as hell but man was it not well written, for example the episode where they accidentally teleport to the fire world and then bring intelligent fire into the oil refinery world by accident

Cobalt-60
Oct 11, 2016

Over time, random factors add up. What is chaos in the moment becomes systemic over time and space. As data accumulates, a pattern emerges.



As in, plot-wise, or industry-wise? Cause there's already a "stupid storyline" thread.

Nckdictator
Sep 8, 2006
Just..someone

Cobalt-60 posted:

As in, plot-wise, or industry-wise? Cause there's already a "stupid storyline" thread.

Either works, also poo poo,I missed that thread.

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

This is a silly post with little news value.



when CBS told Gene Roddenbury "thank you very much, we have have one of our own we like better" so they made Lost in Space instead of Star Trek.

Linux Pirate
Apr 21, 2012

Well, there goes our grant money.





Yuuzhan Vong

Not necessarily dumb but completely unreasonable/undo-able at the time in scope, which was the dumb part. Depending on your view of Jodorowsky, the cancelled Dune could have been a psychedelic mess, or one of the best movies made. I like his movies but he's a kind of up his own rear end. He also has never read Dune. So take that as you will. It's very subjective.

The movie Armageddon

Independence Day

Pretty much all of Prometheus. Also even though I thought the movie Covenant overall was fine, David creating the xenomorphs was stupid I refuse to accept it as canon, also the tiny alien that wasn't a chest burster for some reason.

Oh and almost all of the aliens in Star Trek that looked almost human just with spirit gum here and there. But that is entirely forgivable seeing as it's a TV show with a budget, especially considering TOS.

Linux Pirate fucked around with this message at 14:36 on Aug 12, 2020

super sweet best pal
Nov 18, 2009



While I ultimately ignore the Yuuzhan Vong era of the EU, it always struck me as being profoundly unlike what Star Wars should be.

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

This is a silly post with little news value.



replacing all the effects shots in Star Trek with new CGI

replacing all the effects shots in Red Dwarf with new CGI

wtf no-one wanted that

zoux
Apr 28, 2006



There's this Timothy Zahn book about futuristic space fighter pilots who mind-meld with their craft but instead of being a fully immersive VR suite, the dude is like "ah I taste cinnamon on the left side of my tongue, that means there's a bogey on my six".

muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005



Cerv posted:

replacing all the effects shots in Star Trek with new CGI

replacing all the effects shots in Red Dwarf with new CGI

wtf no-one wanted that

The Red Dwarf one was weird because unlike Star Trek they didn't exactly do a ton of effects stuff in episode. Usually it was a cutaway.

dialhforhero
Apr 3, 2008
Probation
Can't post for 42 hours!


Saul Tigh being a cylon.

He was THE best character and a beautifully flawed human and they turn his rear end into a loving cylon.

Still pissed about it.

Cobalt-60
Oct 11, 2016

Over time, random factors add up. What is chaos in the moment becomes systemic over time and space. As data accumulates, a pattern emerges.



In the Category of Completely Unnecessary Sequels, we have:

Independence Day: Who the gently caress Wanted to Bring This Back Resurgence
Pacific Rim: The Apocalypse Was Cancelled You Illiterate Morons Uprising

And Highlander 2, which I have never watched, but have heard people denigrate on multiple occasions.

Mooey Cow
Jan 27, 2018



Pillbug

Nckdictator posted:

That time Lucasfilm almost published a crossover between Star Wars, American Graffiti, and THX-1138 blended into the book of Exodus.

https://www.sfwriter.com/alienout.htm

Jax Hobo

Anyway it is known that Lucas at one point played with the idea that American Graffiti, Apocalypse Now and Star Wars were a kind of trilogy about America during the Vietnam war.

Sounds weird, but check out the hosed up epilogue for the characters at the end of American Graffiti. These movies were all worked on simultaneously until Lucas got too busy with Star Wars and Coppola took over Apocalypse Now.

Barudak
May 7, 2007



Highlander 2 is the kind of sequel that feels like it was made by people who not only did not understand the appeal of the original, they actively hated it. It is Spider-man: Turn Off the Dark with less actor limb destruction.

Son of Sam-I-Am
Feb 12, 2002






Cerv posted:

replacing all the effects shots in Star Trek with new CGI

replacing all the effects shots in Red Dwarf with new CGI

wtf no-one wanted that

on the other hand, please, someone do this for B5

blatman
May 9, 2009

14 inc dont mez



what we need is a modern remake of zardoz

Gravitas Shortfall
Jul 17, 2007

Utility is seven-eighths Proximity.




The Horus Heresy, a galaxy-spanning civil war involving billions of combatants, fought on thousands of planets, with troops moved via a method of FTL that is well known for being unreliable, difficult, and prone to time-distortions, lasted for....

Nine years.

Mooey Cow
Jan 27, 2018



Pillbug

Cobalt-60 posted:

And Highlander 2, which I have never watched, but have heard people denigrate on multiple occasions.

Highlander 2 is an insane movie, which makes similar baffling choices as the Super Mario Bros. movie, that makes you go "huh? what? but why?" until you go "yeah sure whatever" and I for one appreciate that someone gave these deluded brains millions of dollars to make something truly awful.

Impossibly Perfect Sphere
Nov 6, 2002

Icon. Factor.


Why did they cast a man with a strong Scottish accent to play someone called "the spaniard" ??????

docbeard
Jul 18, 2011

Modern worldly poster

dialhforhero posted:

Saul Tigh being a cylon.

He was THE best character and a beautifully flawed human and they turn his rear end into a loving cylon.

Still pissed about it.

It was a dumb as poo poo plot development but Michael Hogan sold the hell out of it and they made good use of it. (And Saul Tigh was the best drat character on a show full of great characters, before and after the reveal).

Though their biggest Cylon fuckup was teasing a 'dead' 13th Cylon musician and telegraphing hard that he was Starbuck's dad then not making him Starbuck's dad and being all "why would anyone think he was Starbuck's dad".

Defiance Industries
Jul 22, 2010

A five-star manufacturer




docbeard posted:

It was a dumb as poo poo plot development but Michael Hogan sold the hell out of it and they made good use of it. (And Saul Tigh was the best drat character on a show full of great characters, before and after the reveal).

Though their biggest Cylon fuckup was teasing a 'dead' 13th Cylon musician and telegraphing hard that he was Starbuck's dad then not making him Starbuck's dad and being all "why would anyone think he was Starbuck's dad".

Hearing the writers that Tricia Helfer got on her podcast stumble through excuses for Season 4 has been pretty entertaining. At least they're up front that they made up all the stuff about the other Cylon models like 2/3 of the way through Season 3.

Linux Pirate
Apr 21, 2012

Well, there goes our grant money.





blatman posted:

what we need is a modern remake of zardoz

No, but I'm not opposed to it in any way. If that makes sense. But if they did they'd have to remake Barbarella.

David D. Davidson
Nov 17, 2012

Orca lady?

Explaining how Palpatine was resurrected in Fortnite.

Son of Sam-I-Am
Feb 12, 2002






Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:

Why did they cast a man with a strong Scottish accent to play someone called "the spaniard" ??????

he learned English in Scotland, of course

Barudak
May 7, 2007



Also he isn't spanish, he's egyptian.

Now its choose your own adventure time

1) Theatrical Cut: And he isn't egyptian, hes a space alien from another world
2) Home Cut: And he isn't egyptian, hes from an even older civilization

Tulip
Jun 3, 2008

I have no country to fight for; my country is the earth; I am a citizen of the world.




It's me, I'm the dumbest poo poo from sci-fi/fantasy

Gravitas Shortfall posted:

The Horus Heresy, a galaxy-spanning civil war involving billions of combatants, fought on thousands of planets, with troops moved via a method of FTL that is well known for being unreliable, difficult, and prone to time-distortions, lasted for....

Nine years.

or that lol

blatman
May 9, 2009

14 inc dont mez



I just want to remind everyone that on stargate sg-1 like ten minutes after they get unsupervised access to a transporter they start beaming nukes onto enemy ships

best poo poo from sci-fi/fantasy right there

Colostomy Bag
Jan 11, 2016

C-Bangin' it



Saturn 3 gets my vote. The redub over Harvey is just icing on the cake.

Mooey Cow
Jan 27, 2018



Pillbug

blatman posted:

I just want to remind everyone that on stargate sg-1 like ten minutes after they get unsupervised access to a transporter they start beaming nukes onto enemy ships

best poo poo from sci-fi/fantasy right there

They do that like twice then it's exploding bridge consoles all the way down.

docbeard
Jul 18, 2011

Modern worldly poster

Defiance Industries posted:

Hearing the writers that Tricia Helfer got on her podcast stumble through excuses for Season 4 has been pretty entertaining. At least they're up front that they made up all the stuff about the other Cylon models like 2/3 of the way through Season 3.

I really need to listen to her podcast.

Ron Moore, at least, has always been open and upfront that while the Cylons may have had a plan the writers never did.

docbeard
Jul 18, 2011

Modern worldly poster

blatman posted:

I just want to remind everyone that on stargate sg-1 like ten minutes after they get unsupervised access to a transporter they start beaming nukes onto enemy ships

best poo poo from sci-fi/fantasy right there

There was a book David Gerrold wrote about TOS years and years ago that I had as a kid (it was my dad's) that I really wish I still had hold of, and one of his arguments is that the transporter was a mistake, or at least a pain to write around, because you always needed to find ways to disable or negate it in order to have any tension whatsoever in a story where Kirk and company got captured. (Granted, not being able to transport through shields was a pretty good counter.)

Cobalt-60
Oct 11, 2016

Over time, random factors add up. What is chaos in the moment becomes systemic over time and space. As data accumulates, a pattern emerges.



Hard labeling anything as dumb in WH40k when the entire setting is unironically ridiculous (Heavy metal cathedrals IN SPAAAAACE). What lore there is just sets up the game (The entire galaxy is threatened by the Eye of Terror, spewing out Chaos across am entire sector! This conflict will be resolved by...ground warfare. Man the trenches!)

The only truly dumb thing is the fans who take the franchise Very Seriously. Especially the ones who support the Imperium a bit tooo much.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised




Generally the ground warfare is more like, attacking/defending key things that are too important to nuke from orbit since these massive galactic empires actually need infrastructure and factories and farms.

blatman
May 9, 2009

14 inc dont mez



Mooey Cow posted:

They do that like twice then it's exploding bridge consoles all the way down.

actually yeah I just remembered the last 2 seasons where they try it a couple of times against the ori and it does exactly nothing

what's really important though is that teal'c beans a guy in the toque with a can of beans from like 2 blocks away in that one episode where he guilt-trips his boss into letting him live off-base

banned from Starbucks
Jul 18, 2004






The one where he dresses like hes starring in a 70s porno and fucks his hot neighbor?

blatman
May 9, 2009

14 inc dont mez



yes that's the one

I enjoy only the finest of science fiction

Polaron
Oct 13, 2010

The Oncoming Storm


blatman posted:

what's really important though is that teal'c beans a guy in the toque with a can of beans from like 2 blocks away in that one episode where he guilt-trips his boss into letting him live off-base

I think it was an avocado.

Yes, this is important.

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Defiance Industries
Jul 22, 2010

A five-star manufacturer




docbeard posted:

I really need to listen to her podcast.

Ron Moore, at least, has always been open and upfront that while the Cylons may have had a plan the writers never did.

Any episode where they have a main cast actor is a must, just to hear about the stuff they did while filming. I think it's James Callis who said Edward James Olmos is the godfather to every kid whose parents were working on the show at the time.

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