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Hace
Feb 13, 2012

<<Mobius 1, Engage.>>


Pollyanna posted:

Is it just me, or is Botan's 2D model leagues better than everyone else's?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QofLVitOzjo&t=1m51s

It seems a lot more responsive than like, Marine's or Coco's.

Not every model is drawn and rigged equally lol. Some avatars are basically perfect (Korone, Pekora), and others clearly very stiff (Shion) or just poorly realized (Roberu(seriously help this man))

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homeless snail
Mar 14, 2007


Shion just got an upgrade she's pretty good now imo. There's definitely some characters where being kinda lovely is part of the charm though

Manyorcas
Jun 16, 2007

The person who arrives last is fined, regardless of whether that person's late or not.


This clip I found recently of a Pekora stream had me in tears laughing-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDNFCKRXlDc

Kerbal Space Program by itself prints comedy, it almost feels like cheating to have Pekora play it.

Captain Cappy
Aug 6, 2008



Pekora is a natural-born comedian.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fmr21ZZEhk

homeless snail
Mar 14, 2007


When people say vtubers arent playing characters i just point to Pekora, because if thats not an act then she moves from comedy to tragedy

Captain Cappy
Aug 6, 2008



I think Pekora is beyond playing a character because I have never seen her break character, it's like she's gone native as a smug idiot and her real self cannot return to our world.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725235936345980928/750682969508675725/3a2237a5a35ab5dfb4aa7681b739f367b8df19a3.mp4
(Thanks reddit)

Captain Cappy fucked around with this message at 17:16 on Sep 2, 2020

Mazerunner
Apr 22, 2010

Good Hunter, what... what is this post?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SsYzF2jOHQ

Truga
May 4, 2014


Lipstick Apathy


this is your brain.. on mahjong

lmfao

Stink Billyums
Jul 7, 2006
MAGNUM

If we're posting favourite Pekora moments this stream had me in tears

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ck7DzOCi6M

Kibibit
Sep 10, 2009

You must be a friend that's good at shredding!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9he4n06MHYI

TMSK is gonna stab a bitch

trucutru
Jul 9, 2003

Invoking fairy dust is not a crime.


Captain Cappy posted:

I think Pekora is beyond playing a character because I have never seen her break character, it's like she's gone native as a smug idiot and her real self cannot return to our world.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725235936345980928/750682969508675725/3a2237a5a35ab5dfb4aa7681b739f367b8df19a3.mp4
(Thanks reddit)

It's a (comedic) character that does pretty much what she wishes she could do in real life because she has social anxiety issues. Hopefully playing pekora will help her irl.

So it's not 100% a character that she's playing

trucutru fucked around with this message at 18:30 on Sep 2, 2020

Lt. Lizard
Apr 28, 2013


Playing character or not, Pekora is perfectly capable of owning herself in RL too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEQMKI-IGx4

Stink Billyums
Jul 7, 2006
MAGNUM

For reference, the extroversion vs. otaku chart



Peko's a very timid rabbit

Tabletops
Jan 27, 2014

anime

Lt. Lizard posted:

Playing character or not, Pekora is perfectly capable of owning herself in RL too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEQMKI-IGx4

wow pekora is younger than i thought

Stink Billyums posted:

For reference, the extroversion vs. otaku chart



Peko's a very timid rabbit



dang i would think marine would be higher on the otaku axis. she's a huge loving nerd it seems.

also is there a translated video of where they make this chart?

Tabletops fucked around with this message at 20:49 on Sep 2, 2020

Mazerunner
Apr 22, 2010

Good Hunter, what... what is this post?


Tabletops posted:

wow pekora is younger than i thought




dang i would think marine would be higher on the otaku axis. she's a huge loving nerd it seems.

also is there a translated video of where they make this chart?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrGjlkuwdO4

the chart is extrovert/introvert on the vertical axis, and normie/otaku on the horizontal. so they have marine as max otaku and average vert.

Subaru exerts 100% power, though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2w2Srw4YBXc

Kibibit
Sep 10, 2009

You must be a friend that's good at shredding!


Guys, guys hear me out

what if smooth mcgroove was an anime girl?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBuGyjb-3c0

Stairmaster
Jun 8, 2012

nope just me lain


vtubers ARE real

Jerkface
May 21, 2001

HOW DOES IT FEEL TO BE DEAD, MOTHERFUCKER?

Fallen Rib

Stairmaster posted:

vtubers ARE real

Is it taboo to talk about vtubers real identities because Kiryu Coco has a very funny personal youtube channel with a mix of live action + vtube from before she became Coco. She's very real

Stairmaster
Jun 8, 2012

nope just me lain


has it been confirmed shes kson onair

also does yaguu know what shes doing

Ibblebibble
Nov 12, 2013




I don't think its ever been said outright but all the facts point towards her being kson yeah. Including that one time she accidentally showed the Asacoco screen.

Jerkface
May 21, 2001

HOW DOES IT FEEL TO BE DEAD, MOTHERFUCKER?

Fallen Rib

Ibblebibble posted:

I don't think its ever been said outright but all the facts point towards her being kson yeah. Including that one time she accidentally showed the Asacoco screen.

Even if this was not true i mean cmonnnnn she is kson. Same voice, english, etc.

And because thats likely true i think its very interesting that she is a vtuber. She has done some live action cosplay streams on the kson account and she is very attractive so would have no problem being a face cam streamer if she wanted to, but instead she is doing the vtube stuff. It gets into what other people were talking about by hiding behind the personality you can maybe cut loose more and be more genuine even though you're playing a character. I've seen this stuff around but not really followed it closely until this thread popped up and shits wild.

I really like seeing streaming branching out into all these weird things. There is a lot of open space for comedy content creators to just do wacky stuff and vtube allows for that very strongly if you're got improv skills and a modicum of humor. All the ones listed in this thread have some genuine crack up moments as shown by all the highlight vids coming out of their streams.

FYI Riot Games has an upcoming League of Legends champion that is a vtuber and now im wondering if they will actually have her "stream" and enter this fray.

Jerkface fucked around with this message at 01:07 on Sep 3, 2020

Space Flower
Sep 10, 2014



its probably worth considering spoiler tags when naming names, some people don't want to hear it or see it disseminated so loosely. but a lot of vtubers' past identities are basically open secrets. especially in hololive most of them come from previous streaming experience and they all had fans who recognized their voices/etc.

its legitimately cool in the sense that vtubing presents a larger platform for these people to just do what they enjoyed doing previously, but now it actually pays the bills rather than just being a hobby stream on niconico.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012


Checking. Kson and Coco's voices seem a fair amount different.

trucutru
Jul 9, 2003

Invoking fairy dust is not a crime.


There is plenty of money to be made by launching cross-platform vtubers so we'll see them soon. Take some new VA, put her into a high-profile anime/game, and then have her stream as her own character. If the character is popular then it's safe money. Can you imagine the success of a modern Asuka Langley insulting her viewers? That could pretty much bring Japan out of its stagflation by itself.

Space Flower
Sep 10, 2014



my favorite kson bit is how she did a bunch of english-teaching streams where she just sprinkles the f bomb onto every sentence. the deadpan delivery of that brand of humor is uncanny.

Jerkface posted:

It gets into what other people were talking about by hiding behind the personality you can maybe cut loose more and be more genuine even though you're playing a character.

absolutely. even coco who seems wild and outgoing by hololive standards is still a self-professed asocial otaku. anyone here has spent time on the internet speaking from behind an avatar and should be able to understand how vtubing brings out a different kind of 'genuine'

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.




Space Flower posted:

anyone here has spent time on the internet speaking from behind an avatar and should be able to understand how vtubing brings out a different kind of 'genuine'

Now I'm imagining the typical SA poster as a vtuber. Aatrek would not even be the first pedo vtuber I've seen.

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.




Also god imagine if vtubers said the kinda poo poo anonymous people on the internet said. Being "genuine" doesn't stop you from being a total rear end.

Hace posted:

Not every model is drawn and rigged equally lol. Some avatars are basically perfect (Korone, Pekora), and others clearly very stiff (Shion) or just poorly realized (Roberu(seriously help this man))

You can add Botan alongisde Korone and Pekora, I think. Actually, Botan looks even better, IMO.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_BTcwiJO8k&t=1h38m24s

Pollyanna fucked around with this message at 02:09 on Sep 3, 2020

Space Flower
Sep 10, 2014



right. uh. not quite the direction or examples i would've picked



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYfj6Wp-ii0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZLr2wgDYhI

tfw you think you're going to be dead weight for a pro twitch streamer but he's your biggest fan instead

Jerkface
May 21, 2001

HOW DOES IT FEEL TO BE DEAD, MOTHERFUCKER?

Fallen Rib

MonsterEnvy posted:

Checking. Kson and Coco's voices seem a fair amount different.

The default Coco voice is Kson doing a high pitch put on. When she speaks English you can tell.

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.




Apparently Subaru has a thing for Botan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ja4kHXTQyKw&t=1m48s

Also apparently her first crush was Gohan

nielsm
Jun 1, 2009




Fallen Rib

nielsm posted:

Can we make it a thread rule that you do not talk about what VTubers do outside VTubing, or what they did before? If they don't bring it up themselves then don't talk about it.
We all know they're real humans behind the screen, but who they really are shouldn't matter.

Apparently not.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012


nielsm posted:

Apparently not.

Yeah, I do agree with this. Don't think we should talk about anything more then they themselves have shared.

Tabletops
Jan 27, 2014

anime

I found a stream vod on youtube if pekoras old character/stream on niconico. It's .. pretty much what I expected. Very similar air but the chara is different obviously. Also she did some live stuff. At least kinda.

Obviously it's not 100% and never been confirmed but uhh it sounds just like her and the laugh is unmistakable. Id like it but idk that people want to see it.

nielsm
Jun 1, 2009




Fallen Rib

Talking about what VTubers do/did outside VTubing, even if it's "open secrets", can be hugely problematic for them both professionally and personally. "Open secrets" are still secrets even if the truth is easy to find, talking about them in the open effectively amounts to doxxing. Don't.

Space Flower
Sep 10, 2014



it's definitely more complex than that, since alternate identities range from "still streaming on an account whose sub count rose 10x because their vtuber fans are there" to "dead niconico account with the vods left up" to "past content completely scrubbed by the streamer but people saved their stuff and still spread it around".

you could definitely make it a thread rule to just not bring it up (most fansites/subreddits/discords/etc already do this) and again i think in lieu of that, spoiler tagging should be a courtesy to the people who dont want to see it.

Ibblebibble
Nov 12, 2013




Yeah that's fair enough, I'll draft up something for the OP. How about

- if they're actively streaming on a separate channel/persona then you can discuss it under spoilers
- if the other channel/persona is abandoned/shuttered then don't talk about it
- if big news stories like Aloe drop then it's fine to discuss in the context of the situation but don't name/link stuff.

Kibibit
Sep 10, 2009

You must be a friend that's good at shredding!


Ibblebibble posted:

Yeah that's fair enough, I'll draft up something for the OP. How about

- if they're actively streaming on a separate channel/persona then you can discuss it under spoilers
- if the other channel/persona is abandoned/shuttered then don't talk about it
- if big news stories like Aloe drop then it's fine to discuss in the context of the situation but don't name/link stuff.

Yeah, I can more than get behind this ruleset

Tabletops
Jan 27, 2014

anime

Are there any guesses as to how much hololive skims off the vtubers super chats?

astr0man
Feb 21, 2007

hollyeo deuroga


The numbers I usually see thrown around are 30-40% range for hololive/nijisanji? And that's after the payment processor + google/apple cuts. Youtube/google takes 30%, and apple takes 30% of superchats that come from the iOS app.

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nielsm
Jun 1, 2009




Fallen Rib

It's well known that YouTube takes 30%. The guesses are that Cover Corp take 40-50%, leaving the talents with somewhere between 30-40% of the total amount, but they then also have to pay taxes of the income.

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