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Tabletops
Jan 27, 2014

anime

drat. I guess it's better than nothing. Feel kinda bad for some of the hololive streamers who don't take in the superchat money like coco and marine and Pekora. Whoever else.

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Lt. Lizard
Apr 28, 2013


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCJzQNw_zT0

Ibblebibble
Nov 12, 2013




Update the OP for rules on past/side personas/channels.

Lt. Lizard
Apr 28, 2013


To add to the discussion, I think that the kayfabe should not be sacred in the cases where the other channels are active and the person behind them doesn't seem to care very much about it. If nothing else it gives the option to support the talent you like, without also giving the above discussed cut to companies like CoverCorp which has made a lot of questionable decisions. And not tolerating people going all internet detective and rooting through inactive accounts of performers that do care about not being connected to their previous personas is an obvious sanity check. So yeah, good and necessary rules OP.

In other news, apparently an English/western branch of hololive has been in works for quite a while and there will be a big, official announcement about it in next few days. Link to the interview That will be...uh, interesting.

trucutru
Jul 9, 2003

Invoking fairy dust is not a crime.


Tabletops posted:

drat. I guess it's better than nothing. Feel kinda bad for some of the hololive streamers who don't take in the superchat money like coco and marine and Pekora. Whoever else.

Compared to how much other sorts of artists get fleeced by their managers 30-40% is quite a bit. In any case, pretty much all the hololive girls should be making good money.

Expect Coco to soon branch into merch (followed by the others).

KoB
Apr 30, 2009


trucutru posted:

Compared to how much other sorts of artists get fleeced by their managers 30-40% is quite a bit. In any case, pretty much all the hololive girls should be making good money.

Expect Coco to soon branch into merch (followed by the others).

would murder for an Okayu nendo

Ibblebibble
Nov 12, 2013




I'm pretty sure that Fubuki and maybe Matsuri have nendos announced, hopefully the other girls and guys get them too.

trucutru
Jul 9, 2003

Invoking fairy dust is not a crime.


KoB posted:

would murder for an Okayu nendo

You will get a Kanata t-shirt and like it!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vpw7b1qV3qw

nielsm
Jun 1, 2009




Fallen Rib

Ibblebibble posted:

I'm pretty sure that Fubuki and maybe Matsuri have nendos announced, hopefully the other girls and guys get them too.

Aqua also has one announced.

cave emperor
Sep 1, 2016



Adding to the discussion about how much the Hololives are making, I've seen Korone tweet on at least two separate occasions about having to delay or cancel a stream because she had to work late. Could be Hololive-related work of course (signing merch, recording songs, listening to lectures about idol purity, I don't know), but you'd think Yagoo would let his talent go home to do the streams that actually make him money. Makes me think whether maybe she has a regular job to supplement her Hololive income, and if a subscriber powerhouse like Korone can't get by on Hololive money alone, I doubt any of the others can.

nielsm
Jun 1, 2009




Fallen Rib

When we're those tweets? August 2020 Korone's channel took in around $47k gross in superchats.

Source: https://playboard.co/en/youtube-ranking/most-superchated-all-channels-in-japan-monthly

PerOlus
Jan 26, 2003

We'r even, seŮor!

nielsm posted:

It's well known that YouTube takes 30%. The guesses are that Cover Corp take 40-50%, leaving the talents with somewhere between 30-40% of the total amount, but they then also have to pay taxes of the income.

Cover & Ichikara take all SC-money after google-tax, and distribute it to the staff (including voice-actor) in a ratio we don't know. Higuchi Kaede and Coco has talked about this. Hololivers have also mentioned some kind of bonus system.

cave emperor
Sep 1, 2016



nielsm posted:

When we're those tweets? August 2020 Korone's channel took in around $47k gross in superchats.

Source: https://playboard.co/en/youtube-ranking/most-superchated-all-channels-in-japan-monthly

The latest one was from August 12th:
https://twitter.com/inugamikorone/status/1293439119922626561

Also here she's talking about working in a bakery, but that might just be part of her character:
https://twitter.com/inugamikorone/status/1196351209675743232

cave emperor
Sep 1, 2016



god drat coco's really raking in 150k a month in superchats

nielsm
Jun 1, 2009




Fallen Rib

A few months ago Subaru talked about her weekly schedule, and she didn't make any time to work outside jobs, from how I understood it. On the other hand she's also been living with her family until recently so maybe that affects the situation a bit.

I'd really like a source on the shared distribution (?) of the SC income, got a video or tweet link?

Stink Billyums
Jul 7, 2006
MAGNUM

I enjoy watching vtubers' alt/previous accounts. You get to see that pretty much all of them have been around for years, and most toiling in obscurity, and then the shift gaining them 100 times as many viewers. And how the "characters" are for the most part what they've been doing all along. Or that since the niconico streaming community isn't really that large they all knew each other, many previously streamed together, and a lot were likely recruited into becoming a vtuber by their friends. Like, when Miko and Pekora did their 3D stream together it was a pretty nice surprise seeing them perform the same duet they had done 4 years earlier, only now they're idols.

Reclines Obesily
Jul 24, 2000



Hey Moona!


Slippery Tilde

the hololive talent are also paid as employees as they work on other projects behind the scenes. they take around 30-40% of the super chats they receive, youtube takes 30% and 20-30% goes to cover. they get larger percentages of sponsorship and merch sales

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gE6dclneYA#t=53s
(watames reaction to the ad is hilarious)

coco tried to push for hololive to use streamlabs but management knocked her back because....?

Reclines Obesily fucked around with this message at 12:58 on Sep 3, 2020

Waffleman_
Jan 20, 2011



https://twitter.com/Xcaliborg/status/1301366098109935616?s=20

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.




Everything Iím hearing about the financial structure of Hololive grosses me out.

Reclines Obesily
Jul 24, 2000



Hey Moona!


Slippery Tilde

i wouldnt worry. theyre the highest paid streamers, not just vtubers, in the world

the thing i feel bad about is the platform they stream on, youtube is complete rear end. with the amount of viewers they get they shouldnt need to worry about copyright strikes and demonetization

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010


Reclines Obesily posted:

super chats are not shared. part of the cut cover gets is given to the talent as a base salary but its minuscule

the hololive talent are also paid as employees as they work on other projects behind the scenes. they take around 30-40% of the super chats they receive, youtube takes 30% and 20-30% goes to cover. they get larger percentages of sponsorship and merch sales

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gE6dclneYA#t=53s
(watames reaction to the ad is hilarious)

coco tried to push for hololive to use streamlabs but management knocked her back because....?

Im guessing that google gives an incentive to hololive's management to keep it in their platform since they get a cut of the money. Theres a reason why a good chunk of streamers prefer twitch over youtube in the states despite the easier integration into youtube VODs if you would stream there. And its because most of their profits go directly to them.

Reclines Obesily
Jul 24, 2000



Hey Moona!


Slippery Tilde



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpDdD1nrLTo

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.




Also, I think we skipped over this:

Lt. Lizard posted:

In other news, apparently an English/western branch of hololive has been in works for quite a while and there will be a big, official announcement about it in next few days. Link to the interview That will be...uh, interesting.

I have a feeling this won't be very successful at all. From the perspective of the typical american, one of the big draws for the JP branch of hololive is the fact that you get to see what's basically "just some (decently cool) Japanese person" interacting with fans. It's not really the virtual aspect that's the draw, it's the fact that the virtual aspect lets the streamers focus on things like their voice and personality quirks, and just kinda take on a more natural personality. That's alright on its own, but it really shines when it lets american fans basically just interact with the japanese. Hell, if hololive streamers weren't so receptive to western (i.e. english-speaking) viewers, I doubt they'd be as popular in the west as they are right now.

There's already a shitload of american streamers as-is. What advantage does vtubing bring for english-speaking american streamers?

nielsm
Jun 1, 2009




Fallen Rib

A slightly different interaction model between streamer and viewer? Different expectations for "acceptable content", i.e. making art, singing, variety? For women specifically, a chance to break out of any "Gamer Girl" stereotypes.
And the things we talked about before, how being "virtual" allows different/more aspects of your personality to come out

Reclines Obesily
Jul 24, 2000



Hey Moona!


Slippery Tilde

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AotOdosxebE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_9-xhBhScU

theres a few popular english vtubers already

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jALqDp1nTE

japanese fans translate clips of them


gonna depend on how entertaining they are ofcourse but they might do well

Captain Cappy
Aug 6, 2008



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kmi5yGATW8Y

Karibu seems good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgPPzS1f6IU

Captain Cappy fucked around with this message at 14:01 on Sep 3, 2020

Phobophilia
Apr 26, 2008
This space intentionally left blank.


Having a mask of anonymity to work behind really does help to develop your humor and personality, it's simply easier for someone who'd otherwise find it awkward.

As for this mask making someone a loving rear end in a top hat online? For better or worse, all these VTubers work at the mercy of a large depersonal corporation, with PR firms, and they have an incentive to not foster a culture of racial abuse, gendered abuse, and general drama assholishness. There is, at least not yet, any equivalent to IMC, Quartering, Keemstar, being a vile piece of poo poo for clicks and subs. We can only hope that the culture stays that way.

Ibblebibble
Nov 12, 2013




I mean, there probably is, they'll be some tiny indie one though.

I've watched some Nyanners clips and now I'm a fan.

kirbysuperstar
Nov 11, 2012





Reclines Obesily posted:

coco tried to push for hololive to use streamlabs but management knocked her back because....?

Risu uses SLOBS at least, that's close right

Captain Cappy
Aug 6, 2008



I expect Hololive's english branch to do about as well as Holostars does (terribly). Kiryu is going to have to put in serious work for them to get off the ground depending on what english talent they pick up.

homeless snail
Mar 14, 2007


Nah, I think they will do at least as well as Hololive/Niji ID, because presumably they're still going to prefer bilingual people and there will be enough overlap between English/Japanese viewers to carve out a tiny Ayunda Risu sized niche

Thinking about how Nijisanji started an Indian branch and after like 4 months turned it into Nijisanji EN because they had far more English/Japanese viewers than Indian ones

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.




Well, then theyíd have to find native English speakers who also speak Japanese at an acceptable enough level to interact with Japanese viewers, if not enough to collaborate with JP or ID. I canít imagine thereís many of those.

kirbysuperstar
Nov 11, 2012





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQg4OOgHX-Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovHeHQm3pbg

post more vtubers getting owned by spicy noodle

homeless snail
Mar 14, 2007


Pollyanna posted:

Well, then theyíd have to find native English speakers who also speak Japanese at an acceptable enough level to interact with Japanese viewers, if not enough to collaborate with JP or ID. I canít imagine thereís many of those.
I think you are dramatically underestimating how many nerds/nisei out there that want to be professional anime girls. A lot of the IDs aren't totally fluent, either, and Coco's Japanese when she started was pretty broken

homeless snail
Mar 14, 2007


You don't want your international collabs to end up like this one either
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnInuWbbPk8

SpartanIvy
May 18, 2007


Hair Elf

I enjoy watching vtubers play games and be silly but I don't really enjoy them just chatting or whatever.

To that end, Nyanners is my favorite English vtuber. She is balls-to-the-wall ridiculous and plays an idiot but is actually pretty quick witted.

Haruka Karibu has potential but she seems to mostly just chat on her twitch.

homeless snail posted:

I think you are dramatically underestimating how many nerds/nisei out there that want to be professional anime girls. A lot of the IDs aren't totally fluent, either, and Coco's Japanese when she started was pretty broken

This is my thinking too. I knew so many Weeb girls in college a decade ago who have the same 3 "interests" listed that every vtuber lists: anime, video games, voice acting. The numbers now are probably through the roof.

Physical appearance doesn't matter and the cost of entry as a vtuber is super low too, so the amount of vtubers is going to continue to explode for quite some time I think.

SpartanIvy fucked around with this message at 14:58 on Sep 3, 2020

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.




homeless snail posted:

I think you are dramatically underestimating how many nerds/nisei out there that want to be professional anime girls. A lot of the IDs aren't totally fluent, either, and Coco's Japanese when she started was pretty broken

Nisei like Coco will probably be fine (though there arenít a whole lot of nisei I think), but random American nerds still have to pass that Japanese proficiency barrier. Theoretically possible - hell, Iíd jump at the chance to practice it even if I make a total rear end of myself - but Iím willing to bet Cover Corp will expect a high base proficiency despite ID. Maybe they wonít, I guess.

Like Iím imagining how Iíd do as an English-Spanish 2nd-gen, and god that gives me anxiety. Iím already self-conscious about losing a lot of my Spanish over the years.

Pollyanna fucked around with this message at 15:04 on Sep 3, 2020

nielsm
Jun 1, 2009




Fallen Rib

On the other hand, Japanese viewers might also actually enjoy interacting with a streamer attempting basic Japanese and not being great, just like international viewers enjoy the Japanese streamers attempting to interact with them in broken English.

RubberLuffy
Mar 31, 2011


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veotIShzEm8

Korone playing Limbo right now

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nielsm
Jun 1, 2009




Fallen Rib

Yeah LIMBO stream is good, but consider this:

Haachama playing Fall Guys at late night, hoarse voice, ENGLISH ONLY stream, with "ending the instant I speak Japanese" condition.
Stream over in 8 minutes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SntXk1-TVbA

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