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nwin
Feb 25, 2002

make's u think

Why is PA so hosed up? Not enough people to count mail in votes?

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mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Nap Ghost

nwin posted:

Why is PA so hosed up? Not enough people to count mail in votes?

A bunch of PA counties have rules like not being allowed to even start counting until in-person polls close.

pantslesswithwolves
Oct 28, 2008

That this wasn’t the blowout for Biden has been disturbing. I think that even if he does squeak out a win, and assuming that the Supreme Court isn’t gearing up to gently caress the country sideways, he’s not going to have the mandate to get past how thoroughly the well will be poisoned by Trump and Fox News as they shriek about fraud in the coming days.

I think that a best case scenario still has us in for some rough, polarized and potentially violently contentious times even if Biden wins.

:sigh:

jerman999
Apr 26, 2006

This is a lex imperfecta
My fiancee and I voted absentee in PA from abroad and I'm nervous we made a minor error and they'll be disqualified

Don Dongington
Sep 27, 2005

#ideasboom
College Slice
And it's looking like the GOP will keep the Senate, so there is a solid chance that nothing will be achieved, and it'll be like an Obama Speedrun, from losing the house in 2022 straight to the Cotton 2024 campaign.

SquirrelyPSU
May 27, 2003


nwin posted:

Why is PA so hosed up? Not enough people to count mail in votes?

Minor Republican edges in the House and Senate, but not enough to override a veto from the Democratic Governor, so they spend their time sniping at each other over procedural rules.

As Nero Danced
Sep 3, 2009

Alright, let's do this
God drat how can this country suck so much.

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Nap Ghost

pantslesswithwolves posted:

, he’s not going to have the mandate to get past how thoroughly the well will be poisoned by Trump and Fox News as they shriek about fraud in the coming days.

For better or worse, I don’t think mandate is actually a thing. And even if some voters think it is, Republican senators absolutely don’t believe in it.

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns

SquirrelyPSU posted:

I appreciate this. I just woke up about a half hour ago and trying to find a good summary is like wading through mud.

WI is now basically done with a 20K Biden lead. drat near everything is in at this point except stragglers. Milwaukee's recent posting flipped it to Biden, then Kenosha County absentee results just cut Biden's deficit there to bring the lead to 20K.

MI is looking solid, Biden's posting hella crazy numbers in the absentee votes and those are in process. Donnie appears to be toast in Michigan:

https://twitter.com/NumbersMuncher/status/1323963930398597123?s=19

---THAT'S THE ELECTION AT THIS POINT---

There are two bonus states remaining GA and PA. Tomorrow we'll probably know GA, as it's all Atlanta absentee that needs to post. PA is going to take all week, but here's that status - Biden is down 600K before absentees are counted. Here's where they're going:

https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/1323958418177142792?s=19

It's one thing to be told and be prompted about the pandemic-induced red mirage / blue shift. It's quite another to live through it, in real-time, during a pandemic.

Thwomp
Apr 10, 2003

BA-DUHHH

Grimey Drawer
You can go to ProtectTheResults to get signed up for a rally in the event Trump makes good on his attempt to stop the counting.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice
God dammit we needed an electoral blowout to completely destroy Republicans and this isn't it. A photo finish at the end with a Republican Senate is barely even a bandaid on the sucking chest wound that's still bleeding out.

SquirrelyPSU
May 27, 2003


bird food bathtub posted:

God dammit we needed an electoral blowout to completely destroy Republicans and this isn't it. A photo finish at the end with a Republican Senate is barely even a bandaid on the sucking chest wound that's still bleeding out.

Buddy, if you thought that any reasonable result from this election was going to result in the demolition of the Republican party, you are living in a dangerous dream world.

Force de Fappe
Nov 7, 2008

Still better than the now. Thinking mandate matters, like the poster above said, is aisle-leaning. gently caress that poo poo

Force de Fappe
Nov 7, 2008

What are the chances of Georgia flipping once absentees are counted?

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS
Nate Cohn is paid a lot more than I am to look at stuff like that, but that seems simplistic.

With in‐person voting, we know that certain precincts report earlier than others, and it’s not random.

Is there no reason absentee ballots would have similar ordering effects?

If the remaining ballots favor Biden only 74% to 25%, he loses Pennsylvania.

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns

Force de Fappe posted:

What are the chances of Georgia flipping once absentees are counted?

NYT says 64% and they have very good data about what's outstanding out of Atlanta and a decent guess at the percentages. It will be loving close.

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns

Platystemon posted:

Nate Cohn is paid a lot more than I am to look at stuff like that, but that seems simplistic.

With in‐person voting, we know that certain precincts report earlier than others, and it’s not random.

Is there no reason absentee ballots would have similar ordering effects?

If the remaining ballots favor Biden only 74% to 25%, he loses Pennsylvania.

All of the in-person Pennsylvania results are in already. Everything due-in is absentee. The absentee stuff doesn't follow the in-person voting trend because they're different groups of people. Nearly all Democrats voted absentee, nearly all Republicans voted in person.

Like at my precinct, at the end of the night, we hit a button to submit the numbers that voted in person at the precinct. That number gets posted to the state total immediately.

THEN the absentee ballots for that precinct start being counted, then are added to the precinct total after election day (where we are now). If those come back 3-to-1 like they were (Philly was like 15-1), Biden takes PA.

As Nero Danced
Sep 3, 2009

Alright, let's do this

bird food bathtub posted:

God dammit we needed an electoral blowout to completely destroy Republicans and this isn't it. A photo finish at the end with a Republican Senate is barely even a bandaid on the sucking chest wound that's still bleeding out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V64dAeICRZ0

Griping aside, who is the best tracker to watch? I've been watching decision desk, they still have Michigan leaning towards Trump. If that goes blue, then between Nevada, Arizona, Wisconsion and Michigan that's 270. If there's 600k absentees for Biden in Pennsylvania, that's 290. Hell of a squeaker, not at all the repudiation of Trump and the birth of American facism that we needed.

Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005

bone shaking.
soul baking.

bird food bathtub posted:

God dammit we needed an electoral blowout to completely destroy Republicans and this isn't it. A photo finish at the end with a Republican Senate is barely even a bandaid on the sucking chest wound that's still bleeding out.

That was never going to happen with a Biden/Harris ticket. There was zero motivation to go vote for them. 30% of registered democrats in my county in florida stayed home last yesterday.

the most shocking thing to me about the election was that trump gained around 3m votes nationwide.

Pine Cone Jones
Dec 6, 2009

You throw me the acorn, I throw you the whip!

Mr. Nice! posted:

That was never going to happen with a Biden/Harris ticket. There was zero motivation to go vote for them. 30% of registered democrats in my county in florida stayed home last yesterday.

the most shocking thing to me about the election was that trump gained around 3m votes nationwide.

Trump allowed people to be their worst selves openly without any real repercussions, it isn't too much of a surprise that he gained more people. Humans can be awful and terrible once any kind of social empathy is taken away.

Woofer
Mar 2, 2020

Why is this thread still open

What the gently caress

The only reason I dropped a bunch of edibles and went to sleep at 10 was to skip this poo poo

TCD
Nov 13, 2002

Every step, a fucking adventure.

Mr. Nice! posted:

That was never going to happen with a Biden/Harris ticket. There was zero motivation to go vote for them. 30% of registered democrats in my county in florida stayed home last yesterday.

the most shocking thing to me about the election was that trump gained around 3m votes nationwide.

What's funny is marijuana seemed to do well at the ballot box.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/04/politics/marijuana-legalization-2020-states/index.html

This was an easy give-me to the dems, but, Boomer+prosecutor.

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?

Comrade Blyatlov posted:

Preemptive Bernie would have won

As close as this race is I seriously doubt it and that's coming from someone who likes the guy.

I knew far better than counting on the american people to do the right thing

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?

bird food bathtub posted:

God dammit we needed an electoral blowout to completely destroy Republicans and this isn't it. A photo finish at the end with a Republican Senate is barely even a bandaid on the sucking chest wound that's still bleeding out.

It'll be at best 4 years of hospice care

Terrifying Effigies
Oct 22, 2008

Problems look mighty small from 150 miles up.

Milo and POTUS posted:

It'll be at best 4 years of hospice care

With Nurse McConnell holding a nice big pillow over our face.

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns

TCD posted:

What's funny is marijuana seemed to do well at the ballot box.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/04/politics/marijuana-legalization-2020-states/index.html

This was an easy give-me to the dems, but, Boomer+prosecutor.

The trouble with that take is that Florida easily passed 60% on a $15 minimum wage amendment, which Donnie literally trashed on stage, and it was a part of the Biden plan that he talked up every chance he could.

Also, Biden might clear a greater majority of the public than anyone in quite a long time. It's going to be a mess trying to untangle how much is policy-based and how much is personality-based. Like here's the shift map, try to find a pattern here:

https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1323978574186110984?s=19

Also, they let him out of the newsroom and it's good news, as he's more or less my #1 guy on these things:

https://twitter.com/Redistrict/status/1323976110510657539?s=19

Woofer
Mar 2, 2020

You could easily flip a few swing states by saying you’ll legalize weed federally. Florida would absolutely go blue for weed.

Soylent Pudding
Jun 22, 2007

We've got people!


The only saving grace of a sucdem like Biden is that they'll at least take the deadly loving pandemic seriously. In the election news blitzkrieg it seems to have kinda dropped off the radar that covid is worse now than when it "peaked" in early summer.

E: Florida passing minimum wage while breaking hard for Trump reminds me of something a historian said about the new deal. It was basically than Americans generally like leftist policies when presented the technical details but hate voting for anything branded leftist.

Soylent Pudding fucked around with this message at 14:28 on Nov 4, 2020

Pine Cone Jones
Dec 6, 2009

You throw me the acorn, I throw you the whip!

Milo and POTUS posted:

It'll be at best 4 years of hospice care

I agree, but there is no guarantee as to how the future will shake out anymore. We're in thoroughly uncharted waters and the only things we know are coming are climate change, pandemics, and a world where at least I can't even picture a future in ten years. At least if Biden wins, we have some time to prepare something, as feeble as it may be.

Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005

bone shaking.
soul baking.

Soylent Pudding posted:

The only saving grace of a sucdem like Biden is that they'll at least take the deadly loving pandemic seriously. In the election news blitzkrieg it seems to have kinda dropped off the radar that covid is worse now than when it "peaked" in early summer.

E: Florida passing minimum wage while breaking hard for Trump reminds me of something a historian said about the new deal. It was basically than Americans generally like leftist policies when presented the technical details but hate voting for anything branded leftist.

The fox news exit polls showed massive support for bernie’s entire platform.

Duzzy Funlop
Jan 13, 2010

Hi there, would you like to try some spicy products?

What in the entire gently caress is this

https://twitter.com/TeamTrump/status/1323888133390348288

Soylent Pudding
Jun 22, 2007

We've got people!


Mr. Nice! posted:

The fox news exit polls showed massive support for bernie’s entire platform.

Which is kind of what I'm saying. Outside of my leftist circles a majority of the people I know are happy to support Bernie policy if I bring it up as a specific policy but hate Bernie and his socialism.

Duzzy Funlop
Jan 13, 2010

Hi there, would you like to try some spicy products?

Hang on, going by the update on FOX' own website:



Biden is at 238 electoral votes, and has a high probability of winning Nevada, Michigan and Wisconsin, which total 32 electoral votes...so that would be 270...?

Terrifying Effigies
Oct 22, 2008

Problems look mighty small from 150 miles up.

Soylent Pudding posted:

The only saving grace of a sucdem like Biden is that they'll at least take the deadly loving pandemic seriously. In the election news blitzkrieg it seems to have kinda dropped off the radar that covid is worse now than when it "peaked" in early summer.

E: Florida passing minimum wage while breaking hard for Trump reminds me of something a historian said about the new deal. It was basically than Americans generally like leftist policies when presented the technical details but hate voting for anything branded leftist.

Going to be hard to take meaningful action against Covid if you can't even get Cabinet appointees approved and legislation to the floor for a vote.

Arven
Sep 23, 2007

Duzzy Funlop posted:


Biden is at 238 electoral votes, and has a high probability of winning Nevada, Michigan and Wisconsin, which total 32 electoral votes...so that would be 270...?

It's not over, but it's going to be close. If things hold as they are he either needs to win MI (probable), PA (tossup), or GA (unlikely).

antimatt
Sep 12, 2007

ultima ratio regum

MazelTovCocktail posted:

3. Japanese Whisky

lowkey pro choice right there

As Nero Danced
Sep 3, 2009

Alright, let's do this

Duzzy Funlop posted:

Hang on, going by the update on FOX' own website:



Biden is at 238 electoral votes, and has a high probability of winning Nevada, Michigan and Wisconsin, which total 32 electoral votes...so that would be 270...?

It's not time to start sucking each other's dicks just yet, but get the lipstick just in case.

Duzzy Funlop
Jan 13, 2010

Hi there, would you like to try some spicy products?

Arven posted:

It's not over, but it's going to be close. If things hold as they are he either needs to win MI (probable), PA (tossup), or GA (unlikely).

Where's FOX getting that 95% chance to win for Biden in MI from? I'm confused

Camrath
Mar 19, 2004

The UKMT Fudge Baron


Duzzy Funlop posted:

Where's FOX getting that 95% chance to win for Biden in MI from? I'm confused

NYT is now showing Biden ahead in MI too, for the record, having been super slow to show any change.

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Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

Duzzy Funlop posted:

Where's FOX getting that 95% chance to win for Biden in MI from? I'm confused

All that's left are mail-in ballots which are going to Biden by an insane amount.

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